A bill pushed forward by the House would allow refiners and retailers to sell E15 nationwide, year-round.
  • BeUnique@lemmy.zip
    14·
    7 days ago

    So… voting to create the illusion of lower gas prices while not increasing miles per gallon?.. I hate it here…

  • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
    3·
    6 days ago

    I love how americans are going bonkers when their fuel prices are simply approaching eu prices(worst case scenario was still 25% from eu prices). Its also funny that all this is self inflicted.

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 days ago

      EU infrastructure is way waaaaay better for handling a life without a car.

      In most of the US a car is a necessity.

    • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
      44·
      8 days ago

      Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick, their entire foundation of their wealth is tied up in oil, and even though they’re rich enough to pivot entirely and never feel a difference in their lives, they’re stuck in the sunk cost mentality.

      It’s too risky to invest in a brand new industry that’s on shaky legs. Never mind that it stopped being a “new” industry decades ago and has proven it will do quite well, and is thriving. They stopped paying attention to real life many many decades ago. As far as they are concerned, they didn’t have to do any sort of personal growth, so they are woefully out of touch with reality.

      Oil is what was there when they (or their parents they inherited wealth from) were kids, so obviously they have to dig their heels in to keep oil from flopping. Anything else is secondary.

    • SuiXi3D@fedia.io
      88·
      8 days ago

      To be fair, I can’t run my car off of wind power.

      But also to be fair, I could be doing so were I enabled to do so.

      EDIT: What I mean by this is that I in no way nor have I ever been in a position to purchase an EV. I would love to, but it requires money I simply do not have.

      • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
        12·
        8 days ago

        If your wind power charged a battery and you hooked up to it nightly with your electric car, it could. Certainly if the municipal grid uses wind power.

  • akilou@sh.itjust.works
    114·
    8 days ago

    However, while the E15 rollout can lower prices, ethanol does contains less energy than gasoline, so eventually with E15, a driver will end up burning more fuel for the same amount of distance, albeit fuel which is slightly cheaper than standard gasoline.

    MAGAs are dumb enough to think they’re getting some kind of deal

    • JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      303·
      8 days ago

      Ethanol also rots the internal works of your vehicle so vehicles will disintegrate and people will be forced to buy new vehicles in 2027+ which will all have mandatory big brother spyware.

      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        381·
        8 days ago

        Most vehicles made past about 2004 are all ethanol safe up to maybe E20. You ideally shouldn’t, but e15 won’t ruin them.

        Anything older though… God have mercy on your soul.

            • despoticruin@lemmy.zip
              4·
              7 days ago

              You will also need a new banjo line going to the fuel rail into the injectors, and the o ring on the end of the injector won’t be long for this world, but that should be it. The rest of the path out of the engine is steel and aluminum.

          • InputZero@lemmy.world
            101·
            8 days ago

            Dude you could run those things off dirty vegetable oil and they’d still go. The only things more indestructible than a '90s Civic is a Corolla from any year.

            • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
              4·
              7 days ago

              Did the US get diesel Civics? That would be surprising to me. Petrol engines don’t really run off veggie oil AFAIK. But really, the main thing E15 is going to cause is fuel leaks, which aren’t impossible to fix by any means.

              However, as for

              The only things more indestructible than a '90s Civic is a Corolla from any year.

              I’m going to have to respectfully disagree because those things barely exist anymore on the roads here where they salt the roads. The tech is strong, the chassis is not. I don’t know when the Japanese figured out galvanization, but as of the mid 00s, they still had issues (not just a single make or model either. Mazda was the worst, but Toyota and Honda still rust). I haven’t really inspected any newer Japanese cars. I think Toyota did something better with Lexus branded vehicles, as those tend to have less rust… Or perhaps the owners just took better care of the more expensive vehicles.

    • bajabound@lemmy.world
      5·
      8 days ago

      I monitor gas mileage in my truck pretty closely. Even resetting the fuel trims and running a couple tanks, E15 doesn’t really change mine that much over E10, maybe 1 mile per gallon less. Now on the other hand E85 is closer to 5-6mpg less. It all depends on how much less it costs at the time, but overall E15 is slightly cheaper for my use case. Any savings I might have is more than taken away by filling up my equipment, diesel is crazy now and no ethanol gas is right behind it.

  • green_goglin@thelemmy.club
    41·
    8 days ago

    Real benefit: Combustion motor life cycle shortened enhancing planned obsolescence for manufacturer product cycles and future sales. Diluted gas is less efficient and despite paying less you’re actually paying more both near and long term. So much winning.

    • ClownStatue@piefed.socialEnglish
      161·
      8 days ago

      Fortunately, us Americans suck at math. A consequence of our “world class” public education.

    • Bakkoda@lemmy.world
      41·
      8 days ago

      I drive a 2018 wrx with a very modest etune. It’s tuned for longevity as it’s not even an hp gain. This will be difficult to run in my car.

      • pahlimur@lemmy.world
        31·
        7 days ago

        Why? It raises the octane, so you can run more boost easily. It just requires more fuel delivery because it has lower energy density. Are you near injector or fuel pump flow limits?

        • Bakkoda@lemmy.world
          3·
          7 days ago

          You absolutely need a tune for e85 exclusively. You can throw a few gallons in to fix some timing issues but I’m pretty sure you need to adjust ignition timing to keep your afr in range to run it exclusively.

          E85 is rarely actually e85 so an ethanol content analyzer is usually required to adjust the ecu accordingly. It’s not just higher octane, all that does is allow for higher compression at a similar temp.

  • bthest@lemmy.worldEnglish
    40·
    7 days ago

    If America was a person on a raft dying of thirst then we’re at the part where they start gulping down ocean water.

  • WanderWisley@lemmy.world
    36·
    8 days ago

    Water down the gas, then contaminate the water with in a AI data center. Art of the deal! We will be so much winning you might get tried of all the winner! 🫲🍊🫱

    • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      7 days ago

      If you ask yourself “which option causes more pollution?” about nearly any policy, you’ll get the entire Republican platform

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
    31·
    8 days ago

    This is literally the exact same kind of thing as USSR-aligned countries would do in the 80s. Back then it was “stupid communism”, but today it’s “glorious capitalism”.

    • orclev@lemmy.world
      13·
      8 days ago

      They absolutely can, just not as much, and not in the ways they’re used to. They’ve invested heavily in oil based products up to and including fighting many many wars as well as shaping their entire international policy around it.

      They could pivot to renewables, something several Democrats started the process of doing, but until the pivot completes their profits would take a nose dive (plus the massive losses from the heavy investment into oil refineries). Even then though the unfortunate crux of the matter is that rare earth metals are an increasingly vital component of all future technology and the biggest deposits of those are all very inconveniently placed from a US perspective (almost exclusively within the territory of countries the US has a somewhat poor relationship with).

  • Folstar@lemmus.orgEnglish
    26·
    7 days ago

    So the GQPedos plan is to use more ethanol, something they’ve been whining about for decades. Meanwhile, the Dems are trying to cut the (hasn’t been inflation adjusted in 30 years) gas tax to further screw over the future AND help their opponents in an election year. USA! USA! USA!