The holocaust is happening again at the hands of the first victims?
What exactly do you mean by “first victims”?
Asking, because my paternal ancestors happen to be Armenian from Khodorchur of Dayq province.
But that’s the cause only of my irritation, while the weird feeling from reading your comment is because mass murders of whole peoples are not anything new in human history. It’s just that Germany lost so conclusively in WWII that the winning powers decided to make it a crime - when judging Germany. Not Belgium, not UK, not France, not USA and USSR, of course, because these all had crimes of that kind on their sufficiently recent record.
One can speculate that Jewish holocaust made Europeans feel bad because it happened to rather European people. Or because it was committed by the losing side.
Or maybe, as with Baudrillard’s simulacra, all Westerners care is what’s portrayed as the evil of the day and the good of the day in their media. It’s a kind of entertainment, and they don’t care what the world really is.
all of those are a bit true. laws are for enforcing power, not justice, not morality. always, every time. the powerful will always have a need to kill if they want to remain powerful, and don’t love having their hands tied (except in private; they’re all subs, it’s so weird).
but yes, until jews were white, nobody gave toooo terribly many shits.
and yeah, most people just care about simple bullshit narratives. that’s what liberalism and fascism are.
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queer people?
because the first victims of the holocaust were queer people. stop writing us out of your fucking history for the sake of zionist propaganda.
I love how you all make a point of playing the victim and making it all about you when you are not even part of the discourse. Queers are the new vegans, apparently.
google “nazi book burning” find the photo you think of when you hear/read that phrase, then look at the context for that photo, what books were being burned, where, and why. please don’t reply until you have.
Unlike your stupid country, we study history. You were not the FIRST victims, you were among them. Doesn’t mean you can make it all about you. My god that’s why some people can’t stand your fucking politicised community.
wow, a zionist AND a homophobe. I’m… what’s the name for a feeling that means the opposite of shocked but is far far more unpleasant?
Tale as old as time.
It’s called “dibs”
“The holocaust” is unfortunate phrasing. “The” holocaust was not the first or only since.
You are a literal iranbot.
Once again westoids cannot engage in actual conversation with someone outside their echo chamber without accusing them of being a bot
Sorry let me clarify, youre a Brainwashed robot.
westoids
we have reached peak terminally online
Lmao “terminally online” is ppl living in the west, the rest of the world still has third spaces so we actually can go outside and hang out there without getting murdered by an insane homeless man with a fking gun because y’all have more guns than people and don’t take care of y’all’s homeless. So fking stupid. Yeah I used to spend all my time on the internet, then I fking moved to China bc fk the west and fk being unable to socialize outside the internet.
this man is forever lost to us
Do you have any thoughts in your head, or just thought-terminating clichés? Lmao
utterly divorced from reality, he wanders the wastes ranting about issues that do not exist in a country in which he does not live. he decries western civilization as the source of all things bad despite professing not to have experienced it firsthand in years. he has gotten so used to the suffix “-oid” to discribe things he does not like that he has appended it to every word he can think of that describes his enemy. he thinks of the world in terms of soyjak memes.
a tragic case. but there’s nothing we can do, and it’s time to move on.
Not experienced it in years? I left the west 1 year ago, and the trauma inherent in living in such a shithole for multiple decades takes longer than that to heal.
Yet another turing-test-failing dumbass
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Saying Jews are awesome is not a valid statement, because just like every group some of them are awesome, some are neutral, and some are awful. It should say something like “Jews are regular people”
if you can say “Humans are awesome”, which you can whilst everyone knows the caveats to that, you can say Jews are awesome.
Humans suck. Worst sentient species I’ve ever met.
I love humans. Or anyway, I try very hard to. But they are very near the bottom of my list as well.
Still, it was an excellent rhetorical point.
Presumably, the ones committing war crimes are not awesome.
the ones committing war crimes are not doing so “as jews” though, they are doing so because they are horrible humans who happened to be born jewish.
Replace it with two lines:
JEWS ARE PEOPLE
PALESTINIANS ARE ALSO PEOPLE^Nailed it.
Don’t forget to put back the hammer.
Lets remove the Holocaust is happening again too.
Right wings idiots have been using that shit for too long to water it down.
Genocide does not equal holocaust.
Genocide has happened and been happening somewhere new almost every 5 years and continuously all over the world so let’s not pretend it’s something new with Israel and Palestine either lol.
JEWS ARE PEOPLE PALESTINIANS ARE ALSO PEOPLE
I feel like - while well-intended - the “also” here is kind of accommodating the belief of dimwits that this is somehow up for debate.
Some people are also people
What about everyone else? This sign needs to be perfectly neutral. I won’t sleep until it is reduced down to one word: “People”.
PEOPLE ARE
ALL
LIVES MATTERPEOPLE ARE AWESOMEIN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE:
PEOPLE.
IN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE:PEOPLE.
Fixed
“Jews are like everybody else”
“Jews are non-monolithicaly awesome”
And people, in general, are awesome ergo…
I’ll let it slide honestly, underscores like “the Larry Davids of the world are lit” given the rest makes clear “any genocidal maniac is evil and neither religion nor past atrocities against their ancestors will shield them from criticism”
I feel we’re really ratfucking this, but how about just “Many Jews Are Awesome”
Doesn’t that cover most if not all of the various objections?
Saying Jews are awesome is not a valid statement
It’s a statement of opinion, which is perfectly valid, you just needed to say something because you don’t like Jews…
I don’t know about that. I can say “humans are awful” without any apprehension…
That’s not what “valid” means. This is an opinion, so you don’t get to declare it invalid. You are free to disagree, though.
Palestine will be free
One can hope
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If we’re talking death cults can we include Islam and Christianity?
The most disturbing inbred cousins of monotheism .
Absolutely, some of them are the staunchest Zionists
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And capitalism?
As fun as that is to say, capitalism has no reward for its fervent adherents after death. Nothing that would make its followers feel like they were doing people a favor by killing them. No capitalist utopia waiting on the other side.
Capitalism is a death cult because it puts a monetary value to living beings, be it people or animals. Wanna kill some people for profit? Just cut down on safety measures and if caught pay the legal fees afterwards…
Yeah, but ‘line go up’ is just as compelling to those with lines already high up.
O ye of little profit
Give, and the Void will provide!
China has an Atheist only government policy. would you say they are the best government on earth?
That’s like saying potatoes don’t have religion do you want to be a potato.
What a stupid take. Because the official state religion is totally the only possible thing that makes a government good or bad
Just because China enforces thought crime doesn’t make it bad! 1984 was just some dumb book. Banning the number “1984” from Chinese social media just proves it. /s
My argument isn’t that the Chinese government is good, rather that their adoption of atheism isn’t the cause of them being evil.
China has some serious skeletons, for sure, but if China is evil, is the US also evil? We export far more weapons and we have bombed far more civilians. We are actively funding the genocide of Palestine as we speak.
Isn’t it weird how obsessed western media is with the ‘tank man’ photo when Greece used their tanks to crush greek college students to death and yet we aren’t even taught it?
The global oligarchy is evil. The US is full of schmucks allowing themselves to be used by the oligarchy to commit atrocities… Same as China, same as Russia, etc. I suppose it depends where you draw the line for “evil”… Are you evil for carrying out evil orders or just the person giving the orders is evil? What about the person who feeds the person carrying out the orders, are they evil too? How about the bus driver who drives the cook to the place where s/he feeds the person carrying out the orders?
If you take it far enough, one could say that as long as evil is allowed to occur anywhere on earth, we are all evil through complicity
Of course not. Fascism is also a death cult.
I’d hang that on my house!
Perfect.
Lol and that’s why it’s bullshit, because nothing is “super simple”, you bunch of terminally online twats. You wouldn’t know nuance if it reached out of your Instagram post and slapped you in the face. Go ahead, tell me to eat glass like last time.
eat glass pweeease owo
everything is complicated, it’s true. drinking water is super complicated. if you try to just drink straight h20 you will strip your body of electrolytes and shit will become very unpleasant. don’t get me started on colors. we don’t even know what colors ARE.
but there are subjects where the simple understanding is EXTREMELY functional, and will rarely lead you TOO far astray. like ‘drink water, preferably clean water’. if you dont do this you die.
similarly: genocide bad. rape bad. rapists bad. genocideers bad. if you don’t do this, LOTS of people die, and its partially on you.
yes, there is a more complex nuanced understanding (which IMO makes the palestinians look better and the zionists look orders of magnitude worse than the nation of shiro ishi clones they appear to be from the surface), but the simple one effectively functions for nearly any intent or purpose, and if you’re not doing therapy for a palestinian person, or trying to decide what treatment would be appropriate for a zionist if it was capable of just stopping/surrendering (which it is not, there’s only one way to stop this after letting it get this far, and we should do it before more innocents die), you really don’t need more than the simplest “genocide bad, rape bad, murdering children bad” that a literal child could understand.
It’s all nuance until you start criticizing a politician’s stance on the matter. Then it’s we don’t have room for nuance because:
- You will let the fascists win
- We are too constrained to do anything
- There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
- A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
- Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
- Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
I disagree that critiquing Kamala automatically makes me a 3rd party voter. I’m vote blue no matter who, but I can see that explaining the trolley problem isn’t working at the moment.
Damn what a blast from the past
Oof, sorry, I think I’ve got the wrong address.
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Oh, hey Chuck Tingle, nice to see you here
So glad to see another chuck tingle fan in the wild
He is the worlds most wholesome purveyor of dinosaur porn
me and bigfoot will fuck
Smell my finger
Yeah this nicely summarises the level of understanding of American internet teenagers about the Middle East.
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I would hope at least this much, but ideally more. It probably depends on the American teenager though.
I’m saying it’s dumb and wrong
I’m saying the mischaracterization of the meme as juvenile is incorrect as the meme contains the minimum information everyone should know.
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Now this is what I call mental illness
Hot takes - Judaism is just as bad as every other Abrahamic faith.
Is… Is that really a hot take? That’s more like stating the obvious.
yeah I used to think it was the relatively chill nerdy less-a-piece-of-vile-genocidal-shit sibling before this, but no. apparently that’s fucking islam, and yes, I did watch the same beheading videos and read about the same FGM shit you did.
