Who is surprised?
Im so glad I switched fully to Linux. I used to dual-boot, but my Windows partition broke so I stick with Linux. Only regret is why I didnt do it years ago.
it was great reusing a old laptop ssd for linux
It was great to reclaim that barely used 1tb nvme.
Challenge accepted…
Does your PC have an Intel or AMD CPU? Congrats, you don’t have to worry about Recall. At least for now, it only works on Copilot+ PCs with ARM processors.
That’s nice but Microsoft is a professional goal post mover.
- You can turn it off (a year later option is removed)
- Nothing is uploaded by default (new update turns it on)
They even have users arguing for that the operating system must make money somehow since it’s free now. :)
Until it shows up for everyone. That’s not paranoia, Microsoft has a bit of a trend in this department.
You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?
You do know that many millions of people are given laptops/desktops for work that have locks that prevent new OS’s from being installed, right?
Enterprise CAD does not play well with wine sadly(im such with fusion). But i locked that local account windows install away on a second hard drive with default boot to Linux.
Yup. We’re mostly a linux shop at work, but Fusion360 is almost the only thing we keep Windows around for
Even if you can’t cleanly remove it, you can probably delete a few system files and break it. It’s not like the whole thing will be baked into kernel32.dll.
Cortana and IE break the OS if you fuck with the registry hard enough. When I deploy W11 to my building I wonder how much GP is gonna need to be setup to fix this bullshit
Sometimes you have to fight with the OS to make it work but that should be due to a bug (or my incompetence in using it). When it’s not working because it’s actually working on someone else’s behalf you can probably delete the whole fucking thing mate.
I’m actually enjoying the Linux learning curve because I know it’s not working against my interests.
On the other hand, every time I’ve had to go “under the hood” with Windows (Registry settings, config files) it’s been to prevent Microsoft from doing something sh*tty to me.
Not yet…
Good point. Sounds like the kind of company I want to do business with. /s
Well, not without also uninstalling Windows…
[ Insert “I see this as an absolute win!” meme here ]
Except I’m a gamedev, and I’ll have to keep around at least one Windows PC. Might be a Win10 one with extended support updates.
Oof. Yeah, I don’t use my computer for work, so I’d never even thought of that. That’s annoying.
As a small business, I need MS office & 2 other pieces of software that have no Linux versions. Rightly pissed off that I’ll have to upgrade my main machines to Win 11 by Oct 25.
Have you looked into OnlyOffice. Nice office suite that saves in MS file extensions. Use it all the tjme
I’m guessing those pieces of software won’t run in wine? Its pretty good these days.
I’ve never tried. Does it handle random applications or would they need to be on a list?
it will attempt anything. just search around for anyone else whose tried the app. odds are pretty good.
Wine is pretty good for most things I’ve tried, except new Office (will run the old versions OK). Try O365, if Libre Office won’t cut it. You can try the installer in Wine without hurting anything. For your other stuff,I keep a Windows 8 vm around off network to run some ancient radio programming software, so maybe that is an option.
what are they? you could search for/ask around in linux forums if wine works well :]
Does M365 not run on Linux?
MS office PWA is nearly indentical to the desktop apps these days. I switched to linux where I use outlook and excel via pwa for work, and it’s been fine. My M$ centered workplace is actually setting up an option to use linux on their laptops soon, too. I can’t wait for that.
The web app is nowhere near as powerful as the desktop app. I need the desktop app for about 25% of my work.
Which one specifically? Outlook is identical, and excel is nearly the same. Excel is just missing a couple developer mode options like adding a checkbox to a cell, which were basically just gimmicky imo anyways.
Excel web app can’t do pivot tables and a number of other things that the desktop version can do. Been a while since I looked though.
Just finally switched my gaming PC to Linux mint. It works flawlessly. I can even re-use the steam game files I downloaded on Windows. Never going back.
Yeah I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for many years now, but sure, a few games don’t work. I’m OK with that since almost all actually do work.
I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.
I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.
Somewhere, some patent lawyers are going to make millions debating about whether or not this constitutes “public disclosure”.
shouldn’t be doing personal stuff on work computer. let the company deal with recall if they don’t want their shit leaked.
They didn’t mention personal stuff
then he/she can let the organization decide about recall, it’s not up to him at this point unless he’s the owner. maybe the organization wants recall to further spy on employees and that’s a different reason to not work for them at that point.
That… that’s what they were saying, no? Companies should worry about their shit.
I can’t wait until the first breach caused by Recall hits the FCC. It’s definitely gonna happen.
I hope Khan is in charge of the FCC that catches it.
Specially since there’s no Microsoft app that has ever securely functioned past a few days. This thing is gonna be hacked as soon as it comes out an we won’t know until until there’s an investigation into the accidental death of thirty innocent people as passengers in some vehicle somewhere controlled by windows 11 or something… Boeing re-entry vehicle maybe? Nah! You guys are good! Just jump in and come back home already!
If the US government bitching was enough to get the flight simulator easter egg removed from Excel (allegedly), I can’t imagine a similar stern glare from the Pentagon would not cause Recall to magically turn out to be uninstallable after all. At least from any US government owned computers originally so equipped.
Anyway, isn’t this only going to roll out on “Copilot” compatible PC’s with the requisite AI acceleration chips in them? I would be furthermore immensely surprised if it could not be locked out in Group Policy for corporate customers.
As soon as support for windows 10 is over I’m out. My new laptop had Windows 11 pre-installed so I switched it to Linux a few days ago after I realized Copilot installed itself without asking me. I’m using my laptop as a test run before I get it on my desktop so I can figure out which distro I wanna use when the day comes.
What was it, not even two months ago when they said they “listened” to us and that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall? And we all said they would still roll it in later when the dust had settled? Yup, we were right.
It happens every time…tech companies are not worried what users think because users don’t care enough to switch to Linux.
Whoops we turned the heat up too quickly and the frogs noticed. Just turn it back down for a bit then begin heating up again, just a little slower this time.
At that point they said that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall in the current state. It was never in question that it would come eventually. The question was in what state?
I’m glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.
And those really aren’t that big of a deal since I haven’t had a failure to play a game so far.
It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn’t even choose a simple distro and haven’t even had too difficult of a time.
Off is the direction in which I would like Microsoft to fuck if they think I’m gonna have a deep learning AI spy on my computer activity.
This just makes me want to switch to Linux.
Do it.
Do it. I made the switch a few months ago and its so much better
Anecdotally it hasn’t been that hard. I’ve had the best luck with Linux Mint just working straight out of the box. I basically only use my computer to game so your mileage may vary if you need specialized software or something.
Also the benefit of mint is that Ubuntu has a huge user base comparatively so you can find a lot of info online for people who have probably already figured out issues that you might encounter.
back up all your shit and move to linux. start with mint, thats the best one for total beginners imo
Lots of support already but I made it switch in December last year and no regrets. There’s a bit of a learning curve getting used to a new environment but the computer actually becomes a tool you can shape to your needs rather than changing how you work so your computer will do it.
Stop threatening. Commit. Take the leap. A lot of us here are already on the other side and we’ll help you find your footing.
And it is not scary. A simple distro like Mint, figure out where the software repositories live, how to use thr off8xe suite, and you’re done. Life is "great*.
Free software with no ads, and things that are built for purpose over profit. Going back to Windows is jarring when I use it now.
Try Fedora! I did and love it!
Windows Recall + Kernel level anti-cheat. How could it possibly go wrong, amirite?
Seems MS hasn’t learned from Crowdstrike
Who else has ever invented such a powerful spyware?
Serious question. Because usually Microsoft are not the first ones with anything, it is very likely that there is a predecessor.
Now I am quite disturbed because I don’t know how and where we are being spied on already in such an infamous manner!
Vietnam? They have their own browser (CocCoc) and IM application (Zalo).
There is a Mac app called Rewind that came out a couple of years ago that does the same thing. There was also an open source thing for Windows. Everyone is desperate to show that they are hip and can do AI. It looks like someone at Microsoft saw a demo of one of those apps and thought that putting it into Windows would let them brag about how much AI Windows can do. They clearly tried to rush it out in time for their Copilot PC marketing push.
The idea is that you can use local LLM models and image scanning to talk to your computer. You could ask it to summarize your day, ask what you were working on last week, or find those articles you vaguely remember reading last year and can’t find anymore. I can almost see the merit, but the security risk is so high.
I wonder if people will eventually stop caring about the security risk of features like this. Those AI girlfriends some people dream about will have access to so much private information. Give this thing a voice and you can market it as a companion who learns the things you like and can talk with you about the things you are reading. Hackers might be able to see literally everything you’ve done on the computer for the last few years, but you’ll get to feel like Iron Man with your own personal Jarvis.
I think the average Joe doesn’t really understand or care about the security risk of such a feature, because they assume that there are competent people at the company who have considered the security risk and took sufficient steps to address it. It’s not by accident that there’s a meme about some guy having a smart fridge and watch and everything, and his friend the IT expert, who doesn’t have a single piece of smart tech and keeps a gun in the kitchen in case the toaster makes a wrong move…
China?
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