Boomers: have more kids! we need the workforce
Boomers: all those taxes that made our families possible - nah fuck that. Keep the minimum wage locked for 15 years.
Boomers are the most selfish generation 🤷♂️
It’s a bit of a selection bias. The self-sacrificing, hard working boomers have died out.
Only the greedy lazy bigots are still standing.
You used to be able to buy an entire house, pay the mortgage, support a small family, and still have minimal left over. One salary. Companies used to reward loyalty more than they do so you didn’t need to job hop to get anywhere. Universities were affordable, like you could work any job and pay for the semester from that.
Someone more familiar with the economic conditions correct me if I am wrong. Boomers could afford to live because venture capitalists weren’t extracting all the value from the economy to buy yachts.
Why would you link to some gold bug garbage when you could be sending articles on Reaganomics?
Gold bug garbage‽‽‽ How dare you make such an outrageous accusation!
It’s bitcoin bug garbage.
The website basically tries to discredit fiat currency. I have a much simpler hypothesis.
15 more years.
Also Boomers, “Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage.”
And yet, the person who created literally said it was.
Ok then let’s change it to be so? Do we want people to do those jobs or not?
Sure, in fact, I’m about to have a kid very soon.
Oh wow great. You know what it’ll be yet?
Well of course, they’ll be a wage slave, just like their parents.
For me it’s more about not subjecting a person to my own residual trauma and a society that’s accelerating towards self-annihilation
I wonder how many won’t have any due to the Weimar conditions in America or the looming climate apocalypse. In combination with financial issues I assume it is huge.
Very hard to justify bringing more people into the world when the folks already here feel so miserable.
Maybe if our leaders created a society more conducive to having kids more people would have them.
I’d love to have kids, but I don’t feel like I can afford it, even though I make better money than many.
Currently working my way through domestic adoption. If you’re in a state that’s criminalized abortion, you’re in luck. The maternity ward is filling up with people who make a lot worse money than many.
When we grew up wondering how we would address overpopulation, impoverishment wasn’t something we had in mind.
it’s by design
Seems like a side effect of unchecked greed instead. If it were properly designed people would be able to afford enough bread and circuses to stay complacent
If it gets bad enough, birth rates will go up. Developed countries typically have lower birth rates than undeveloped countries.
but is that related to infrastructure or wages?
They lack a social safety net for retirees, so children take care of them in their old age. Children are also a source of wage labor. We’re already softening up on child labor here in the USA to address the labor “shortage”.
Developed countries typically have lower birth rates than undeveloped countries.
That is more to do with education and women’s liberation (including contraception), than finances. Which I suspect is still the predominant reason that birth rates are dropping, with finances just a secondary reason.
— Karan Singh
Hey government, are you paying attention?
- You want families? Help people make more money and give them assistance affording literally everything, especially childcare, healthcare, housing, and education.
- Republicans: If you actually care about families, help them afford things as stated above.
- If you really believe in small government, make it easier for immigrants to become Americans.
Otherwise you’re gonna be starting down the barrel of a demographic collapse that will drag America into an economic gutter it’ll likely never class it’s way out of. Like China.
Childcare is a massive one that needs government funding. You can pay 1.5k per child and given that many places do 1 teacher to 3 infants, the literal max that one teacher can make, if every penny went to the teacher, is 4.5k/month, or 54k/year. This does not include facilities, utilities, administration, taxes etc. we all know in reality the teacher salary is much, much less.
In order to fairly compensate childcare staff, rates in reality need to be much higher. The problem is that severely limits access to childcare, which has a cooling effect on parents advancing their careers, because many will not have a choice between being a stay at home parent or working.
Therefore the government supplementing the costs is a much-needed solution.
Kids are crushingly expensive in their early years… if you want to have a career at the same time…
We won’t have kids because, despite doing everything right, despite working hard, we’re struggling with finances. Kids wouldn’t be affordable without an extra job, and most of work two already!
This, but also if it’s this bad for me, why would I create more people to partake?
I have some kids and it’s incredibly bittersweet listening to them talk about the little art and music they create. They talk about painting pictures and making songs, being able to live in a nice house while doing that for a living.
Nope, have to be STEM, a nurse, a teacher, or learn a trade, kiddo. All those other degrees are fucking worthless and won’t get you a decent job.
Teacher isn’t going to make them much money and most don’t last more than 6 years.
Depends on the district. Most public school teachers in blue states and suburbs make a decent living.
I live in a blue district and the teachers make just barely a living wage, so not great.
For starting pay? The teachers on every district around me make 75k+ a year once they finish five years and get their required master’s. When they get their masters +40 looking at low six figures.
I don’t even live in a big city. People need to look at the entire pay scale and not just that first year.
The point is that not everyone lives where you do.
Not single ones
I was shopping for daycare trying to kinda get a financial picture of how we could swing it not too long ago and the cheapest daycare I could find came out to about twice my mortgage lol. So I guess I either hit the lottery so I don’t have to use daycare or I just don’t have kids
Look for certified in home daycare. Lots of GenX grandmas taking care of kids, and if you find a licensed one it’s a pretty good setup. The one I use is $100/day.
This solution is of course not for everyone and its by no means ideal, but a third option for some is to start your own daycare.
No idea if that makes sense for you at all, just posting it here for people that really really want kids and need ideas for how to make the math work.
Also, *gestures wildly around themself* look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?
Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there’s a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.
Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid’s life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.
There’s just a percentage of society who simply don’t put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That’s almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.
Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid’s life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.
They’ll keep having kids, but the kids won’t last as long.
I mean, 50% of humanity doesn’t have an inner monologue- they’re essentially just moving from one impulse to another.
Half of everyone. There’s no chance for this species without radical change.
What’s the deal with inner monologue??
i have 1 until i learnt not everyone has one. what impact are there if one doesn’t have an inner monologue or voice in their heads…sans the schizophrenics
i have 1 until i learnt not everyone has one
What?
If you’re talking about aphantasia that’s less than 5% of the population, not half
Approximately 30% to 50% of people regularly experience an inner monologue, while the remaining 50% to 70% do not have a talkative brain.
https://www.bustle.com/wellness/does-everyone-have-an-internal-monologue
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/inner-voice.htm
I distinctly remember developing one when I was around 8. I wanted it then, but it hasn’t shut up since
Don’t confuse lack of an inner monologue with not thinking or not thinking critically. I lack a monologue when not doing verbal tasks, but I think visually/spacially/relationally instead for other tasks or when in rest or in the experience of my own consciousness. I pinky swear I’m not a philosophical zombie during that time:)
I still think there’s no help for humanity without radical change, lol.
We’re socially still cave-people, just with advanced technology. Technology that is increasingly a mystery even to its Users.
Ultimately, our species is more likely to fall back on our tribalism and devolve into religious ravings than to endure to something more enlightened.
A lot of people that aren’t doomers.
lol ok. You’re looking at everything and then arguing that the people who notice things are bad.
I don’t own a house with fortified bunker and a literal ton of food. Can’t buy a house to begin with. Being a doomer is for the rich.
Why do you need a house, a bunker? Being a doomer is being pessimistic about global problems, not prepping for the apocalypse.
Ah, indeed. I was mixing up doomer with prepper. Regardless, you don’t have to be a doomer to think the world is shit. You can be hopeful that things will change, but not want to submit an innocent person on pure hope that things will improve.
The “innocent person on pure hope that things will improve” is 100% doomerism.
I live in a box of 6 flats. 4 of the people have kids, the other guy is renting to have a place to come back to when they return from working abroad. All of the flats at 40m2, people earning a fraction of a salary people in the US do, when the cost of living is maybe 80% of the US. Yet nobody is starving, the kids have a great life, parents are happy. Life goes on as it always has, with couples marrying, having kids, growing old together. This isn’t something that’s somehow unique to here, happens everywhere.
If you want kids, you can get them, support them and give them a bright future. If you don’t want them, fine, just don’t say you can’t have children because the world sucks.
Lol, OK breeder.
Cringe.
A lot of people
that aren’t doomers.headed towards doom.
I guess we’ll all just be childless cat ladies.
i see nightmares that i can’t take care of my pets. a kid would destroy me, not just financially.
Avocados > Children
The real reason. Mmm avocados.
My parents had an avocado tree. I have more neighbors. More neighbors don’t give 🥑 avocados.
Why not both? Makes for a delightful breakfast
How do you so yours? do you put the avocado on the children or the children on the avocado?
Man, I just hate children and want none of that. A dog is enough responsibility for me
Having to take something out for a walk everyday?!? Even that’s to much.
Cats are where it’s at!
For me it’s the climate - no point in bringing a child in a world with a society that will inevitably collapse and a possible world war over land that’s still inhabitable.
Adoption maybe - but for me more children only equal more future suffering - and if not for my children because it’ll be somehow possible to shield them from the worst then for a couple of others that have to suffer in exchange when western countries pull up the drawbridge and let the global south deal with the mess they made for those countries…
