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Wikipedia about this sourcelol, what a coward. Won’t even do a debate on a platform that goes all out to suck his dick.
Republican former President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he will not debate Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris, hours after Fox News invited the two presidential contenders to participate in a possible second debate on either Oct. 24 or Oct. 27.
I think he’s just trying to coast on whatever popularity he has without fucking anything up. If anything this is probably the best call he could make. Which is why it’s probably someone close to him telling him not to do anything stupid. Because, let’s be honest, he’s so dumb he’d go for it in a heartbeat.
No doubt his counselors are telling him to STFU, ride it out.
And fuck all y’all (not you OP!) saying he’s always been this stupid. Been watching the man, more closely than I wanted to, over the last 6-years. His mind is circling the drain so fast even I’m stunned.
Did fox just offer him the friendliest possible venue for a massive media event, days before the election, and he turned it down?
I presumed the plan was to either let the harris campaign say no to fox so trump could call her a coward, or get a friendly venue to hammer whatever comey-esque hillary’s emails nonsense russia cooks up this time.
Does trump turning this down seem like yet another own goal to anyone else? Or have I been underestimating how much the debate hurt him?
You may be underestimating the depth of the narcissistic wound Kamala dealt him at the debate.
Calling it now:
Since there’s not enough time left for him to recover from this brutal ego bruise, I predict he’ll only do rallies from now on, or appearances on far-right media, because he’ll retreat to his snowglobe for reassurance for a while. He’ll avoid addressing Kamala directly, but he’ll ramp up his own network and rile up his mob. His team will struggle to rein him in, and some appearances might be cancelled.
He’s been more restrained at his rallies than I expected (he’s unhinged, sure, but only mildly more so). It may take him years – if at all – to recover from being so thoroughly bodied by a minority woman.
I’m not saying anyone should care about him but I imagine two assassination attempts fucked with him too. He just announced rallies at Madison Square Garden and Coachella when he should be in swing states. People are trying to create rational reasons for it — like winning the House so he can steal the election — but I think he’s shook.
but I think he’s shook.
Eh, I disagree. He lacks the self-introspection to be unnerved. After all, he did go back to Butler PA.
I believe it. The stories about him being deeply affected seemed plausible.
I suspect that the psychological effects of being nearly killed would operate below the level of self-introspection. Like trauma just happens and changes your behavior, whether you’re very self aware or a senile narcissist.
He’s picking venues that will let him get away with not paying them. He has a history of doing that, and many venues are telling his campaign no unless they pay upfront. Which is not a phrase he’s ever been familiar with.
His cognitive decline might be accelerating too fast.
she put the fear in him
My read is that he like what he see’s in the polling and he see’s no reason to rearrange the pieces on the board. Harris has been struggling and backsliding on her own via bad campaign decisions. She blew her momentum on being “pro-buisness” and trying to court Republicans. Any idiot would have known the natural outcome of that strategy, but if you are a Democratic strategist, you aren’t just “any idiot”.
Over the next couple of days Harris is going to start going from dropping in the polls to dropping in the probabilistic models predictions of victory. Right now, we don’t even need to worry about supreme court fuckery, because Harris is on track to lose this organically.
Harris needs to splash some cold water over her face, and go back to what was working. She could easily bite back 2-3% in the polling coming out strongly against genocide. Its been her game to lose since she took the reigns.
That doesn’t line up as how the Republican campaign has been acting. For instance, they’ve started spending in areas like ME-2 which has been pretty strongly Republican for a while
Down ballot they’re republicans are uping spending in places that should be theoretically solidly red like Nebraska (senate race) and Indiana (governor race)
How I’d read it has more to do with how Trump’s been having more obvious mental decline lately. A second debate would really show that
How I’d read it has more to do with how Trump’s been having more obvious mental decline lately. A second debate would really show that
You need to think about who debates are for. Both you and I know both sides are going to claim a W. I mean, hell, look at the bag of idiots around this forum who were claiming that Joe Biden won his debate against Trump. Both sides are convinced at this point; thats not why you have them. You want a debate if you are behind because you need to somehow move the configuration of the conversation. And if Republicans are spending in ME-2? Bruh who gives a fuck about ME-2. Kamala is shaping up to lose PA. Its looking like she’ll lose NC and GA and AZ. If she loses PA and any one of those states, its over.
Kamala has one path to the white house at this point. She needs to repair her relationship with the uncommitted movement and drive turn-out among Democrats and Democratic likelies. Right now 2-3% of registered Democrats aren’t going to show up for her based on her (and Bidens) position on Gaza. She needs to stop pretending that there are any sane voters left on the Republican side and stop putting effort into them and focus on the people that can actually get her elected.
That is missing my point about their spending changes. Districts and states are hardly isolated from each other. The movments within one tends to correlate well with others. If there’s slipage for republicans in fairly red ME-2, it bodes well for other states
Republicans are more resource limited right now compared to dems. If think they need to allocate money away from those swing states into ME-2 (which running up the score in doesn’t particularly matter), what does that say about how they view the race?
Not to say they couldn’t be just allocating poorly and making poor choices, but in that case then this whole discussion is moot about reading into their decisions as to not to debate
So a couple things. First I think that the Trump campaign in particular and unique among campaigns doesn’t share when ti comes to funds. Most campaigns support other campaigns.
Second, the ME-2 spending I think your’re referencing is this: https://mainemorningstar.com/2024/09/23/billionaire-backed-midwest-super-pac-spending-millions-on-maines-cd2-race/, which is a specific outside pac spending on that race. But to be clear, this isn’t the RNC or the Trump campaign doing the spending, so it bears little relevance to your point. So I think you are wrong to read anything about the microscopic ME-2 race into literally anything else. Far far far more telling are the polls in big states like PA, GA, AZ, NC, etc… where Harris’s polling went from stagnant to declining.
Generally, the person losing an election is the one that wants a debate and the one winning wants to avoid exposure to any kinds of potential mishaps. Its a strategically good decision for Trump to sandbag and not give Harris an opportunity to get some more sound bytes (not like it really matters).
ME-02 was just a small example. The ME-02 I believe was on the presidential race (Maine like Nebraska splits their electoral votes). The link was about the congressional race. To be fair, I mostly just remember it because they ran an ad that accidentally stated with “Dear Virginia” in Maine. Trump has also been relying more on PACs for his campaign to be fair as he’s been outsourcing a lot more. Regardless, they’ve also done things like as another example pull money out of New Hampshire which they thought they, while probably not winning, could at least narrow margins on earlier with Biden in
Normally, I’d agree with that about debating. However, even other republicans were earlier urging trump to debate again and he still declined
Are you suggesting that because people aren’t as excited now as they were when Biden first dropped out and endorsed Harris, she’s tanking?
If you are, this is a bad argument. Anyone who knows politics knows her momentum was always going to slow, and polls will ebb and flow.
The polls have shown this is a historically close election, it has been since Harris announced and will be until election day.
Her poll numbers went from flatlined to now declining. She’s not only not gaining ground, she is now losing ground.
If you are, this is a bad argument. Anyone who knows politics knows her momentum was always going to slow, and polls will ebb and flow.
Yeah, I’m not interested in what most lemmings think is a bad or a good argument. Most lemming are fucking idiots when it comes to politics and are just here to cheer on their team. They are allergic to reality when it disagrees with how they wish things were.
The polls have shown this is a historically close election, it has been since Harris announced and will be until election day.
Yeah except that they are not. Its not even close to close right now. Harris has a -5 structural disadvantage baked into the EC map. So nationally, she needs to be up by 5 to be even. She’s not up by five, she’s up by 2-3, which means she’s not even overcoming structural bias (MOE not even worth discussing here). Biden was up by +9 on election day. It came down to something like 80k total votes that gave Biden the office?
So no. Kamala isn’t winning. She’s under performing Biden 2020. By a lot. She needs to do better or she’ll lose this thing.
Yeah, I’m not interested in what most lemmings think is a bad or a good argument.
🤡
It is difficult to get someone to understand something when their identity depends upon them not understanding it.
Funny, I expected someone to say this to you.
What do I give a fuck what someone’s whose world view prevents them from a accurately assessing the present thinks?
Again, you keep saying things that should belong in a selfawarewolves community.
The lion, the witch, and the audacity of this bitch…
Yeah you continually prove that quite well.
Why does every major poll say the opposite of your lie?
In a week or two when this is the major news cycle, your going to apologize right?
Absolutely, hope you do the same
And what would I be apologizing for? I made no accusations of you, like you did me.
Ah man we need that RemindMe bot so I don’t have to set a reminder.
Apologize for the lying
All no cluck pluck?
Don’t Trump
Open Inside
What a cuck.
Harris could beat him on Fox, OAN, NewsMax or RT. She could do it anywhere and he knows it. He is a coward. If he had any backbone he would suggest another network.
Could she beat him in a box? Would she beat him with a fox? Could she beat him here or there? She would beat him anywhere!
Yes.
She could beat him the air,
She could beat him just on hair!
She could beat him day and night,
It wouldn’t even be a fight!She’ll also catch him on the lam,
And we’ll eat green eggs and ham!
In the arena of the screen so bright,
Harris stands ready,
a formidable sight.
On Fox or OAN,
she’s sure to prevail,
NewsMax and RT,
she’ll tip the scale.
He trembles in shadows,
a coward at heart,
Knowing her strength sets him worlds apart.
If courage were his,
he’d seek a new stage,
But silence remains,
locked in his cage.
Not necessarily, if instead of taking his talking points from freaks like Laura Loomer, he focused on associating Kamala with the unpopular policies of the democratic party (especially the ones Trump agrees with), he could hurt her numbers.
For each republican policy the democrats adopted chasing “moderate republicans”, Trump can go “Kamala agrees shutting down the border and deporting all the brown people is a good thing. Who do you trust more to do it, America?”, apply that logic to dems’ “tough on crime” rhetoric, their foreign policy, their trade war with China, etc.
Trump can go “Kamala agrees shutting down the border and deporting all the brown people is a good thing. Who do you trust more to do it, America?”,
Kamala: “Trump told his own people to kill this bill, why would you trust him to actually go through with what he says?”
Most Americans trust the republicans to harm immigrants more than they do the democrats.
Democrats cannot outflank the republicans from the right.
Democrats cannot outflank the republicans from the right.
Who says they need to outflank from the right? Literally all she has to say is that she’ll do the thing the republicans wanted and tanked on Donnie dipshits orders. That’s going too far as is for most left people on here, but it seems to be what the base wants, and all you really have to do is point out any of the myriad of times they’ve said something and done fuck all or intentionally killed it because it had democrats support.
Making the voters think the right is untrustworthy (because they are) has much more impact than trying to outflank.
Who says they need to outflank from the right?
That’s what the democrats are trying to do when they agree that classical republican policies are actually good and we need to do them.
it seems to be what the base wants
The people who were pro-immigration in every election until like 2022, but now support mass deportation want whatever the democrats tell them they want.
For some reason, the democrats have been telling them they want republican policies.
If meeting the republicans in the middle counts as trying to outflank them from the right, I don’t think you and I can have a productive conversation. This is disagreement on the meaning of basic terms and I’m not willing to try to hash out what words mean today.
Good day.
That might work for any other Republican but this is Trump. He’s the guy who tried to overturn the election, tried to force our allies to create scandals in exchange for aid, took care of Putin first during covid and told countless other lies. Any other Republican might be able to twist their record to win, but not him, his record it too extensive and insane.
“THERE WILL BE NO REMATCH,” Trump said on his Truth Social platform. “SO THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE.”
Trotting out the classics, huh? Big “If we did less testing, we’d have less COVID cases” energy.
Trump said it was very late in the process now to have a debate.
The second Presidential Debate in 2020 took place on Oct. 22nd. This invitation from Fox News is for Oct. 24th or 27th. And the original CNN debate was scheduled for Oct. 23rd so fuck right off with that excuse, coward.
And taxes when the audits are finished… He’s so helpless.
