I mean, the existence of lead doesn’t necessarily prove the age of the earth so much as that those elements have existed for that long.
HOWEVER – you’re basically guaranteed to find lead in uranium deposits found around the earth, and the ratio of lead/uranium is how we calculated the 4.6 billion years.
Uranium is formed in Neutron stars or Supernova, so at the very least - the uranium found on earth itself is 4.6 billion years old. Whether “Earth” was “Earth” back then, who knows. This could be pre-moon? Could be before the earth even cooled down to have a solid outer layer? So the estimate is bound to be off by a little…
Just not by 4.5 billion years.
I’m pretty sure just soap has been around for more than 4.5k years and that means civilization too. So even if you do some backflips in justification here, there’s no way you get 4k.
“Whatever! Pssshhh!”
Real question: Is the decay of uranium the only natural way to produce lead? If so TIL.
When supernovas explode they’re responsible for most exotic elements larger than iron. So it’s either that or radioactive decay.
Iron is the heaviest element capable of being created inside stars, via fusion. Once iron is fused, the star begins to rapidly collapse.
Elements heavier than iron (28) are the result of supernova explosions, which produce energies high enough to create these heavier atoms. It is further possible, as described in the image, for very heavy elements to decay into lighter more stable elements, those still being heavier than iron.
Lead is 82.
That’s what I learned in school, but there’s been some research since suggesting stars produces significant quantities of elements up to lead during their lifetimes, even though it’s a net energy loss.
Interesting. Of note, this process would mainly be in a very specific kind of star, and still would depend on an iron “seed” leftover from a previous supernova. Technically, still requires a “regular” supernova.
you can also lead by example
Instructions unclear. Got diagnosed with lead poisoning
Woah, this is heavy!
That’s what happens when you get a MBA
Instructions unclear.
GotGod diagnosed with lead poisoningWell, that certainly explains the platypus!
Booooooo (jk lol)
No. God can produce as much lead as he wants. Duh!
No. Nucleosynthesis of lead within stars generated from supernovae make up the bulk of the existing lead on Earth. Uranium decay does provide some additional lead inventory but would be fairly small in comparison.
But the presence of it in the first place within second generation stars proves that lead is billions of years old.
Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that’s how half-lives work.
It’s still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I’m way too lazy to argue against insanity.
https://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/isoig/period/pb_iig.html
Lead-204 is the only isotope that doesn’t derive from radioactive decay, and it represents only 1.4% of the lead on earth.
Good bot?
“God made the world with lead in it”
Yes, it’s in your brain.
Lol, look at this guy, trying to use science and facts to disprove my fairytale. What a joke!
Yeah, No amount of evidence will cut through the fog of wilful ignorance here.
Dude is gonna come back at him with the first mention of lead in the bible and say, no this is where God created lead, lol.
When I was being raised as a young earth creationist, the earth was supposedly 12,000-20,000 years old. Then it was 10,000 years old. Then only 6,000. After I outgrew that nonsense, I joked that in a few decades YECs would say that their god created the earth in 1980, and anyone older than 40 are agents of the devil sent to test your faith.
I was also raised as a young earth creationist and it was always 6k years old for me but I could not begin to tell you why.
The 6,000 years comes from the lineage of Jesus as set down in the Bible with names and ages of those in his genetic line.
Last Thursday.
I could never get the hang of thursdays
Earth will be created in 2036. This is just a rehearsal.
The Earth was created on January 1st, 1970 and will end on January 19th, 2038.
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
“After extensive beta testing we have decided to shelve this project. It just wasn’t working.”
I remember a time when all of this happens again
We’re doing the extra-silly speedthrough right now. Next time will be much more comprehensible.
God created your with your memories as-is this morning when you woke up
Of course, the universe was actually created in 1970 and anyone claiming to be older than 54 is an agent of Microsoft sent to test your faith in Unix.
Half the earth was actually created in 1969. The other half was finished 12 hours later =]
Ahh, hence why there are no negative Unix timestamps.
The universe was created along with the release os temple os. Everything before are just memories implanted on us.
WERE YOU THERE TO SEE IT??? - The next moronic rebuttal
This is so fucking cringe that it hurts my brain every time they say it.
Pretty sure the point of creationism is that everything was put on the earth when it was created, including fossils etc. You can’t argue this with logic. My favorite spin off of this is Last Thursdayism where the earth was created last Thursday (regardless of what day it’s now) which basically uses the same argument.
And the fun scientific counterpart of the Boltzmann brain. The idea that in an infinite universe (at least in a couple of the spatial dimensions if not also a time dimension) random fluctuations could combine to form your brain. Including all of your memories, thoughts, hopes and dreams. You think you have had an entire life, but in reality your brain was just formed moments ago. And it may possibly stop existing in a few more moments, this moment being the only one the brain has actually experienced.
When taken to its natural conclusion, the entire Earth of even the solar system or galaxy might have just been created by random chance. The perfect storm of randomness. It may have been created longer ago or just nanoseconds before now. There is no way of telling.
Thermodynamics has been used to counter and strengthen this idea. And with infinity on the table anything goes.
I always found the idea of stable Boltzmann brains fascinating. The idea that on an infinite enough universe, there must exist self-sustaining minds that function on an entirely circumstantial set of rules and logic based on whatever the quantum soup spit up.
You think you have had an entire life, but in reality your brain was just formed moments ago. And it may possibly stop existing in a few more moments, this moment being the only one the brain has actually experienced.
A moment in which I sit on the toilet and read philosophy on my fondleslab and perhaps make this comment. Really a wild thought
“God did it to trick you” is pretty hard to disprove
It’s also hard to argue while also claiming your god is moral, which is why creationists usually scapegoat the task of planting fossils to Satan.
“It Is Useless To Attempt To Reason A Man Out Of A Thing He Was Never Reasoned Into.” - Jonathan Swift
It’s an ad hoc argument. You can’t argue against any ad hoc arguments with logic
That does explain why I can never get the hang of Thursdays
What, were you born today or something!
We all were! Oh wait, that’s This Thursdayism.
Hence the first and only commandment of Last Thursdayism: Don’t Panic.
I had a dude come up to me at the reference desk and tell me that the earth can’t be billions (he said trillions, lol) of years old because erosion from the Mississippi River would make it wider and deeper than it is. I pulled up some info including the idea that the Mississippi was something that came about more recently because of plate shifting, etc and he just said, “Nah.”
But I take everything literally, other than when its inconvenient
But the half life of polonium 210 is just 138 days. other is a few days. radium 226 is 1602 years. Why couldn’t the earth have started with a lot of radium 226? Checkmate round earthers.
Could have started with lead directly. Why go the extra mile.
There’s evidence of human civilization and agriculture going back at least 10,000 years. You have to be extremely willfully ignorant to think the earth is only 4,000 years old. Hell the pyramid of Giza is older than that.
You have to be extremely willfully ignorant to think the earth is only 4,000 years old.
The Bible itself makes it obvious that the 4,000 year old thing is a lie.
The craziest thing is new archeological discoveries keep pushing modern humans further and further back into pre-history. Almost makes me wonder if we’ll come full circle and go “yeah humans did in fact coexist with dinosaurs, and here’s proof at least one rode one” /hj
destroy all religion for the sake of humanity
