Summary

Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.

Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.

Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.

The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.

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    I don’t think that way, personally.

    I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.

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      Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.

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        Don’t overestimate it, either. Even places where that “machismo” is in the dominant culture have managed to elect women as presidents.

        You know what the real difference is? Their woman presidents aren’t useless fucking neoliberals.

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        I’m not really underestimating it, it’s clearly there and a very huge problem, but if Harris was the candidate offering to cut taxes for the rich and Trump was the candidate threatening to change half of all US Cars to electric in 10 years, then the outcome would be opposite to what it was.

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          If that was true then Obama would have lost and Nikki Haley would have been the Republican nominee.

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            Our socioeconomic situation almost 20 years ago isn’t the same as it is now. The Rich are much richer now than then, the middle class existed in much greater numbers, Russia and China weren’t (as much) actively campaigning on the whole US Population’s social media, and fossil fuel companies weren’t at risk of being phased out.

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        The fact that “tradwife” entered the lexicon and is popular on social media tells you basically everything you need to know about how many Americans think of women in this country.

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      They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.

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      People are seriously underestimating just how stupid the Trump voter is. Sure, 10% of them are selfish, racist, misogynist, pieces of shit. The rest are too fucking dumb to accurately describe. These morons not only have fully submitted themselves to the propaganda bubble world they choose to remain in, but they are willing to believe, and do believe, multiple contradicting lies at the same time. They lack the most basic level of reasoning that many pets have. For example, they will believe that Biden doesn’t exist and is actually an actor, Obama is controlling Biden as president, Trump is secretly president already, that Biden is manipulating everything against Trump, and that Biden is too senile to do anything. It’s not that they think some of these conspiracies could be true, they believe all of it at the same time. Even my dog knows that the treat being in one hand means it’s not in the other hand. Even my dog can understand we live in one reality. These people are dumber than fucking rocks.

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      I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.

      They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.

      Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

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        The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.

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        You could say the same about the people of any country that’s committed terrible acts. It’s easier sometimes to demonize an entire people - fascists do this famously with great success. Trump won, in no small part, because he did exactly this.

        So sure, you can do the same. You can call all Americans shitty. Maybe thats the lesson you can take from all of this: It worked for Trump, so why not you?

        I don’t agree with this sort of thing, though. I don’t agree with fascist talking points. I think this sort of thinking leads to unspeakable things.

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        Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

        I don’t know about that. But it might be argued that they are really bad considering they have excellent access to information and still chose the path of least resistance, that being information at appeals to their beliefs.

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          This guy won the popular vote by a 3% margin. We beat him last time by a 4% margin.

          But sure… Let’s pretend everyone in America chose this guy last Tuesday.

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      Yup. This was my conclusion as well. Elon likely turned the tide of the election, and he barely dipped into his available funds.

      All of us struggling to survive, making an honest living… We’re just seen as trash. Trump, Elon, Jeff… They don’t have to call us garbage. They know we’re garbage. They know it every time they both commit, and get away with crimes, and every time they toss money around with barely a thought.

      It’s already so bad… The inflation, the debt, the hours. The average American is no longer hopeful that they might achieve prosperity. What happens when Trump raises our taxes, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? What happens when the war on porn and abortion is cranked up? What happens when hundreds of millions of people become desperate, disillusioned, and disenfranchised?

      I think Putin knows. I know. You all probably have some idea.

      Help the people around you as much as you can, everyone. Don’t let the country descend into chaos. Even when countless Americans hate us for it, we have to help even those people.

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      Don’t overgeneralize. Many of us [edit: US citizens] are not that stupid [edit: and didn’t vote for this dumpster fire].

      And as one of those I don’t appreciate the random asshole insults.

      Edit: Calling an entire country stupid when you can’t parse that this comment was saying that a large chunk of us didn’t vote for Diaper Donnie is very ironic.

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    I actually concluded that and that the Democrats have no fucking clue who their fucken base is. Jfc. They should all just register as Republicans if they want to keep moving right like this.

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      Harris didn’t move right! She supported expanding the child tax credit, legalizing marijuana, codifying Roe, etc.

      She did campaign with Cheney, but didn’t endorse her or promise her a position of power or adopt any of her policy preferences. The whole point was to signal “Trump is so dangerous that even the most conservative leaders are setting aside their disagreements to support me.”

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      Democrats don’t really have a base. It’s not progressives, if that’s what you’re thinking, we don’t have the numbers for that kind of sway. You can see this clearly in how many House seats we hold.

      If there is any base to dems, its white collar suburban soccer moms. But it’s not actually that either, they’re just one of the biggest segments.

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        Exactly; “Democrats” are the party of the “not Republicans”. With how far right the Overton window has shifted, that covers a LOT of the political spectrum, much of which is in opposition.

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          And yet, the Overton window isn’t wide enough to fight a tiny slice of window, which is “far right fascists”

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            That’s the point; the different groups are just as likely to fight each other as the far right, which now has an entire party to itself.

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        Doesnt matter anymore. Have you seen what these lunatics have been saying as potential members of his cabinet and beyond? Anyone who voted Democrat is in danger at this point. The rise of the American Reich.

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      I’m certain thier base is whomever votes at this point. If the GOP dissappear tomorrow, I’m concerned they would start putting up nazi flags.

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    “Republicans hate women.” Plain and simple. Saw it on a t-shirt and just had to have it. God bless the truth coming out💙

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    Anything except blaming her policies because those conservative policies come with a shit ton in donations…

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      Yup. Sadly, we can’t run some robust experiments, but I’m pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.

      God I hope the DNC’s fucking takeaway isn’t “must only run neoliberal men”.

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        She’s even wonkier than Harris and wouldn’t have connected with voters as well.

        Don’t get me wrong, she’s an amazing Senator. But what makes you good at governing isn’t what makes you good in a campaign.

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          She was (briefly) leading the race at one point and packing large speaking venues. She had four hour lines of people waiting to get a picture with her. Wonkier doesn’t equal “unable to connect with voters”.

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        I looked back over the 2020 primary data and Kamala dropped before she even got to the first vote, Warren continued to pull small groups of delegates after super tuesday. In a very real sense Elizabeth Warren beat the pants off Kamala in terms of the primary. I was really pushing for her early in 2020 because I felt she was a consensus candidate between the further left Bernie types and the centrist Buttigieg types.

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        I’m pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.

        What makes you so sure? The fact that Warren lost in the 2020 primary by giant amounts? 😆

        Bernie was right in 2020. America isn’t ready to elect a female president.

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    We lost because of a lack of blue votes but what, 40% of the US basically voted to have them as property?

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    No, America is not too racist or sexist to elect a woman of color. It’s that they need to be a progressive. It’s a package deal.

    There’s simply not many people who fall into ‘progressive enough to vote for a woman of color, but conservative enough to be anti-immigrant and pro-genocide.’

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    People always go with the excuse that coincidentally makes them least responsible, unless they win and then it’s 100% all them.

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      Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.

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        It wouldn’t be much, but I still hope Harris wins the popular vote – even though I think she was a fucking garbage candidate. At least then I can go back to shouting from the highest tower that we should abolish the electoral college – but living in a world where Trump won the popular vote tells me America as a whole isn’t better than this, this is exactly who the majority of Americans are – hateful, scared and short sighted. I was lied to by my parents for my entire life – they told me there were more good people than bad people, but then they got old and they started voting for the very same bad people they taught me how to recognize. What the everloving fuck happened

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    While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more “reasonable” right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and “allies” like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They’re to blame for what’s going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn’t do.

    I’ll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it’s probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn’t have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn’t want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on “returning to the norm”. Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth…) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.

    Yeah, I’m done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.

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    Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.

    Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.

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        Oh no now democrats are using moral purity arguments. What happened to trashing those for the last year?

        Maybe we need to move further right to appeal to all those sexist racist right wingers,. That will do it. No other reason democrats lost.