Summary

House Speaker Mike Johnson faces growing Republican dissent over his handling of government funding, potentially jeopardizing his reelection as speaker on January 3.

Allies are urging Donald Trump to reaffirm his support for Johnson to avoid a prolonged leadership fight, which could delay certification of Trump’s 2024 election victory on January 6.

Johnson’s bipartisan spending bill, criticized by Trump, narrowly averted a government shutdown but failed to include Trump’s core debt-limit demands.

Some Republicans warn that a speakerless House would disrupt critical legislative processes, including election certification.

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    9 hours ago

    Democrats seriously need to start naming viable speaker candidates from outside of the House.

    Former Navy Captain and Astronaut Scott Kelly, brother of Senator Mark Kelly, would make an excellent choice for Speaker. Line up the Democrats behind a true American hero, just to compare them to the quarter-wit that the GOP puts up against them.

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    16 hours ago

    When you ignore the whole fucking up democracy and the potential for far reaching effects.

    Not able to elect your Speaker from your own party to certify your party’s incoming President is comedy gold.

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      It’s a power struggle within the party that signifies a split between the business wing and the purely ideological wing.

      You don’t see this on the Dem side of the aisle because there’s no split. The party is dominated by the business wing of the party and votes in lockstep for the benefit of its financial interests.

      Republicans used to be like this, too. But the miserable economic conditions of red states combined with the more flagrant fascist propaganda in alt-right media has produced a core of Congresspeople who are more invested in white nationalist theory than simply profiting off their constituents.

      Neither of these situations is particularly good. No matter who wins, we lose.

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    The GOP wants the election certification to become a murky uncertain process. Trump won the electoral college and will be the next president - that isn’t in doubt.

    However, if they make confirmation a confused process then in the next election they can subvert the process and steal it.

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      More like they created a legal theory that if you’re not certified on Jan 6, then there’s no process to handle the transition and so it’s all up in the air

      Then, they assumed every president would use this “loophole” if only they could

      Everything is projection with them

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        claims to care

        upvotes meaningless article that has nothing to do with preparing for a better future

        Admit it, this is a community of hobbiests at best, not people actually working to improve or dismantle the system

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          What’s your argument here? Do you think using an internet discussion board, and doing the actual thing, are mutually exclusive? Do you think people who, in your words are “working to improve or dismantle the system” don’t use the internet?

          Surely you realize how silly that is.

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            My argument is that upvoting this empty article takes away from discussing real issues and solutions. We should be encouraging politicians to push more bold policies and rally up the base, rather than sitting angrily on the sidelines, claiming the Republicans are monkeys, while in reality Republicans are kicking ass, doing whatever they want.

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    It would be hilarious if the Dems flipped 1 or 2 Republicans and took the majority leader spot for half a second.

    Trump would have a full on temper tantrum.

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      Start naming MoH recipients, astronauts, and other non-partisan “American Hero” candidates outside the house. There is no requirement that the Speaker be a congressperson.

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    I just cannot believe that this country is going to be run by the worst / stupidest people and all because a lot of stupid people think Biden sets the prices of groceries…

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        Yup. Normal Americans are disenfranchised, while flyover country is given more influence. Combine that with dark money being allowed to outright bribe politicians and our democracy is pretty much a joke.

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      I just can’t believe that January 6th 2021 ended up meaning absolutely nothing. Zero! Unreal.

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        J6 proved you can go as far as outright insurrection against the federal government and (if you’re white nationalists) a wing of the government will protect you.

        It means quite a bit. If Trump takes office and starts signing pardons for all these guys, it means radicalizing a huge swath of the public. Go ahead and do some crimes. Do some terrorism. Kill some cops if you have to. Trump and his friends will have your back.

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      It does have precedent though. That’s how Reagan won in a landslide. Very similar circumstances - inflation, small military disaster, uninspiring president. Of course Reagan wasn’t as depraved and dumb as Trump so he won by a lot more.

      However inflation definitely has a history of short circuiting voters’ brains. Maybe it has something to do with how the media doesn’t really understand it and does a terrible job explaining it to people. I’d guess at most 5% of voters know that there are multiple inflation measures - some of which were already rising during Trump’s term - and that the typically-reported number is over the last 12 months, not right now (meaning the “record low inflation” at the end of Trump’s term included the whole start of the pandemic when there was deflation). Republicans are great at filling an information vacuum with their narrative, so they said it was Biden’s fault and people fell for that easy explanation.

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      I keep telling people, it’s not the darkest timeline we ended up in, but the dumbest one. Reality is always much dumber than you’d expect.

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          I’ve already warned my family, if nukes start dropping in our area, I’m running towards the blast - I’m not hanging round to rebuild.

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            My whole family feels the same. There’s a military base about 20 minutes away. We’d probably be dead anyway because of how close we are, but we’re going to drive as close as possible just to make sure.

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              What a waste. In this scenario your best act is to throw your bodies at the idiots started this mess, not to kill yourself.

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    If it can be questioned when they get what they want, then it lays the groundwork for it to be questioned when they don’t.

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    which could delay certification of Trump’s 2024 election victory on January 6.

    The MAGA movement, newly emboldened by Trump’s election victory, storms the capital again to overthrow the Trump administration and install a more pro-Trump regime.

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      If the certification of Trump’s election is delayed past January 20th, what happens? Would his accession to power be delayed? Could he use this delay to justify postponing the next election?

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    They could just choose Musk, Speaker of House does not have to be a member of the house.

    So they could just not certify the election and they have (acting) President Musk! 🤡

    Edit: Supreme court then rules an “Acting President” doesn’t actually need to be a natural born citizen, since he’s not technically in office. And also add “This ruling shall only apply to Elon Musk.”

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      Please tell me you’re not a writer for this coming season of Orange Turd in the White House.

      Because I couldn’t take the stress from the last season.

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        I’m sorry about that we did decide to slow things down a little this season. Elon should become Speaker in the 2027 Congress and then Trump and Vance are double impeached for corporate treason. We expect Elon’s state of emergency to last about a decade before Texas votes to be annexed by Russia.

        -Sincerely, Outside Dev Team

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              Notice how the only good things in Texas are ones that got appropriated from other cultures.

              And let’s face it: take the Velveeta off TexMex, add some flavor, and what you have left is Mexican food, which is even better.

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                There’s a reason I used ketchup as an example. They take food from other cultures and ruin it.

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                Good Tex Mex does not have Velveeta.

                As long as you don’t compare it to Mexican food, Tex Mex can be fucking delicious. I just look at it as a different type/ethnicity of food

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      Yeah this is the kind of bs that terrifies me.

      So. 20 Jan; Biden is no longer president. It would pass to the Speaker to be acting President. — and yeah I could see a few yahoos thinking that would be awesome. Ffs

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        It legally couldn’t pass to Musk, it would pass down to Patty Murray, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.

        “Patricia Lynn Murray is an American politician and president pro tempore of the United States Senate since 2023 and the senior United States Senator from Washington since 1993. A member of the Democratic Party, Murray served in the Washington State Senate from 1989 to 1993. She was Washington’s first female U.S. senator and is the first woman in American history to hold the position of president pro tempore. Murray is also the youngest senator to occupy the office of president pro tempore in more than five decades. As president pro tempore, Murray is third in the line of succession to the U.S. presidency.”

        So yeah… They won’t, but if they botched everything spectacularly, it would fall to a Democrat.

        Edit: note it says she is the youngest in 50 years… She’s 74 years old!

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    This feels like such a microcosm of the Republican party: everyone gets elected on a wide array of misinformation, conspiracy, and empty populist rhetoric, but then fight over leadership because no one person can unify the diverse party they cobbled together to win the popular vote.

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      The Republicans have been so focused on grabbing power for themselves that they can’t even figure out who should have power when it has to be centralized.