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Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.
When the author asked about this:
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.
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“No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.
But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.
Culture is not our friend.
Apropos of nothing, this was an article about substance from a year ago:
Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
Fuck substack.
Shit, this article is about stack overflow, not substack. Too early, but still fuck substack.
“Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site,” is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.
There’s plenty of leftists, too. But the leftists threaten capital, and fascists don’t, so only one is being targeted/censored.
Corporate fascists need the muscle that the stormtroopers can provide in exchange for the loot they pillage.
That’s what we are seeing with the last 10-15 years resurgence of the alt-rights grift.
Capitalists were always going to embrace fascism in the face of rising leftist movements and increasing inequality. Communist theorists predicted over a hundred years ago, and it’s been playing out exactly as they said it would.
It’s less a resurgence and more that they’ve transitioned from AM talk radio/cable news to youtube, podcast platforms, and social media.
Fair enough
Not to be too “WELL AKSHOOOALEEE” I just think people - myself included - got used to how relatively quiet things felt in the mid 2010’s and didn’t realize this shift was happening.
I got you. You and I, brother - for a moment there it seemed anything was possible, but I guess the John Birch Society never went away.
The internet just isn’t fun anymore. Right wing bigots are stomping around and the best communities are all either crumbling or raising their bridges and filling their motes so AI can’t scrape them and these asshats can’t get in, killing the ability for new people to find them. And who can blame them? They want to protect their communities from very real threats.
The internet is Balkanizing and it’s to our collective detriment.
It’s about SO but on SS so you were still right!
Stack Overflow fucking sucks, it’s dead.
What’s the replacement?
If you’re on Lemmy then you’re not gonna like the answer… It’s ChatGPT.
The next thing seems to be the discord (or any instant messenger ) channel for the project. That’s my wild guess. I don’t like it but looks like people are shifting from the web to instant communicators, so the knowledge is not perserved.
Thanks AI
Just like Brian Thompson yahooooooooo
😄🎉💀
By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi’s.
Man I sure wish this’d mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That’d be genuinely helpful to the world at least…
Didn’t he confess though? That’s quite a bit different than a pending trial.
The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).
If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else’s.
should not justify violating the Creative Commons License
Absolutely. Even a guilty verdict shouldn’t justify violating the Creative Commons License. It should either be completely taken down/hidden, or left in-tact.
That’s not at all what I’m saying though though, I’m saying that it’s reasonable for the site to take action to hide the account. He’s a public figure with an apparent confession, which is going to attract a lot of attention to that account that otherwise wouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t have done it this way since it violates the Creative Commons License, but I am saying that action to hide/disable the account is warranted.
Another comment way down claims it’s standard operating procedure for social media sites to disable/hide and account of a highly publicized murderer, particularly during investigations. However, the provided no examples nor sources or technical documents that detail this as something that is genuinely done as a standard procedure.
I’m kinda gonna do my own research on that, but I feel the validity of Stack’s actions would to some degree depend on the results of researching that claim, and whether or not that is true.
It’s kinda difficult to research something like that though when most highly publicized murders predated social media in its current form, so it would be hard to have a lot of examples despite there being a decent number of people who fit the bill, ironically.
So far, all I’ve found is a 2018 publication by the Police Executive Research Forum, entitled “The Changing Nature of Crime And Criminal Investigations”. It’s a 67 page document, and I’m curious to see if it discusses how their investigation tactics may have changed, and if so, whether the aforementioned tactic is mentioned as being included.
Pled not guilty. No he did not.
Pretty much everyone pleads not guilty, especially in a politically motivated murder charge (there’s always a chance of a hung jury or jury nullification). That said, his manifesto could be considered a form of confession and will certainly be used as evidence to that effect.
He pled not guilty, it really is that simple.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I never said he was guilty, I said he confessed. A plead of “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean you think you’re innocent (i.e. you perjure yourself; the 5th amendment protects against that), it just means you want to go through a trial. You can confess and still choose to go through trial proceedings.
I was not aware he confessed and can’t find anything saying he did. Do you have a source confirming he’s confessed?
It’s more his manifesto, which has a clear motive.
To add, plenty of innocent people give false confessions of guilt. It’s a known pattern in human behavior especially under stress and duress.
I have no information to say whether this case is an example of that one way or the other, but just putting that out there.
I’m just saying that there’s probably enough evidence that it’s reasonable for a social media site to pull/hide his profile despite not being sentenced. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn’t mean his profiles are immune from vandalism and whatnot.
His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Luigi Mangione.
His name was Luigi Mangione.
Luigi’s contributions to Stack Overflow are the exact opposite of the mindless chant in that scene. Don’t degrade him with comparison to Bob.
Luigi definitely didn’t have bitch tits.
Stack being weird and toxic I’m shocked, shocked I tell you
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
“Trickle down economics only occurs when the wealthy bleed.”
Similar, and appropriate. The working class will only benefit once the wealthy are no longer wealthy.
They’re scared of Luigi still, got it
Fucking terrified. I’ve never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It’s hilarious.
No, they’re terrified of us now, they know we tasted blood and are hungry for more.
I know I am. I’m so sick of this system they’ve created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car’s undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites’ attitudes change.
Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it’s time to kick up, not down!
Most gun owners are biggest bootlickers out there… They didn’t get weapons to fight corporate tyranny, they got them to shoot poor people they don’t like
Actually, they got them to shoot gun-wielding home invaders who threaten (if not attempt to murder) their family members.
That’s not what the article is about. Stack Overflow has kept content that Luigi created up, but removed his username, in violation of Creative Commons. Edited the post to make that more clear.
If they weren’t afraid of what he represents they wouldn’t have removed his name.
Yeah exactly. And they’re not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence
…and yet…
Which is exactly the reason we are in a post discussing it.
Yup, it would be interesting to see this tried in court.
May I suggest a European one?
This is the equivalent of a bank robber standing in a vault, filling his bag full of jewels. One of the hostages yelling “You can’t do this, it’s illegal.” Some other guy yells “…and yet…” minutes before police sirens can be heard outside.
I look forward to Mangiine catching wind of this, which is basically theft, and adding it to the laundry list of things to be tried in court.
deleted by creator
Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
Inspector Javert aah behaviour.
Is there a mirror for Stacks content? I’ve been concerned for some time that they are a vital resource that a corporation could ruin at any moment.
You can download pretty much all of stackoverflow as ZIM files for self-hosting.
I’ve looked into this but they aren’t exactly small, it’s not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format.
I was thinking we need something along the lines of a read only public mirror run by the proper open source community - e.g. SourceForge or a major Linux project… ISP’s and universities offer mirrors of Linux packages so this could be a resource offered in the same vein. That’s my line of thinking as far as a StackOverflow mirror goes anyway!
I’ve looked into this but they aren’t exactly small
Neither is SO’s content.
Of course they aren’t small, but they are probably as small as it gets, since they are pretty efficiently compressed. I am not sure what you mean by
it’s not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format
since it is really trivial to use them. Just load them with Kiwix and serve them as a website. It doesn’t get much easier than that.
I was referring to the file size being the barrier. The 2024 large database size of 202GB is prohibitive for the average person’s resource capabilities. i.e. I have a home VPS host and I don’t even have that much free space. Your cloud operating costs would also go up with the storage and bandwidth use.
There’s also two separate issues I was kinda mixing up. I’m a developer who uses StackOverflow and would like to use a resource that is readily available. I think it’d take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn’t ideal for answering a quick question. I also don’t want to setup a whole mirror site with custom work just for myself and because I’m paranoid Microsoft miight buy them and paywall SO overnight or something.
When hosting this locally, I don’t see how 200 GB is much of an issue. Storage is so cheap these days, if you want to host it locally, just buy a 256 GB SSD just for that data for $20. Anyway, you were asking for a mirror, to which I replied with the information about the ZIM files. I don’t really understand the issue. Stackoverflow just isn’t that small, there is not much you can do about that.
I think it’d take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn’t ideal for answering a quick question.
The download? Maybe, depends on your Internet connection’s speed. Actually serving it as a website certainly doesn’t take hours. It is rather a matter of seconds.
I looked into doing something similar with Wikipedia and the recommendation is also to use Kiwix, and the offline file size is also very large.
Welcome to the collapse! Hoarding “clean data” for personal use is like hoarding clean water and food: you need a place to keep it, and it starts going stale the minute you shelve it. So either buy a digital bunker to load up with what you need or ask the all knowing AI gods for answers like the other poors.
Also the Stack Exchange software used to be open source, surely there’s still a fork somewhere. You could certainly run your own Developer QA site, but like with Lemmy, the problem then is getting enough traffic to be able to productively tap into the collective wisdom.
(Edit: sorry, this comes across mean spirited but I’m honestly sympathetic and just nihilisticallly frustrated to be in a similar situation. I foresee a big NAS and a lot of downloads in my future, but I hope we also find ways to share our forbidden knowledge until the day it can be free again)
I’m hoping community efforts are able to fill the void. I fear having to do this all myself and becoming some kind of Mad Max style tinkerer after the fall…
Old phones daisy changed together to act as a server… The remnants of StarLink for internet, getting nazi/rape threats from the remaining social media AI that live in all the satellites…
It would be nice if government backed up Wikipedia and SO. But considering they don’t give a shit about Linux which is arguably one of the most vital technical infrastructure projects of our lifetime…
Stack Overflow seems to be doing a prompt job of that already
Stopped using stack overflow ages ago because of how many assholes there are there.
Plus AI is actually happy to answer your random questions, with an immediate response. Stack overflow will quickly become obsolete as AI gets better
AI is just regurgitating old stack overflow. It’s not going to get better.
AI is going to get worse, while stack overflow will be superceded by better resources in the future.
It would be pretty neat if Sal Kahn created an alternative, but that’s very different from his existing project.
You don’t want to go to Pornhub then
You’d probably get better coding advice in the comments.
I got a decade old question closed as a duplicate.
You can just ask an AI anyway since it’s training set will basically just be stackoverflow.
Just tried this and the AI told me my question was a duplicate and my post was removed.
the entirety of stackoverflow is not enough data to make the AI work properly. They need terabytes of text, stackoverflow has about 50-100GB of useful data at most
I also stopped posting there years ago for much the same reason. You could feel the strangulation of the community as duplicate questions started getting shouted down, posts got turned into “community wikis” against your will and your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else’s plans and ideologies. The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers. It’s a shame no technology has been discovered that will let the small amount of collective good in us all work together against the assholes, but alas it seems the opposite is always true.
The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
More likely the changes were made to improve the “saleability” of the website.
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers.
One of the promises of the internet was, supposedly, that it couldn’t really be monopolized because the barriers to entry were so low. But what we’ve seen is the influence of the Networking Effect as a means of consolidating user bases, combined with a cartel-style censorship that limits the degree to which word-of-mouth can influence a nascent community’s growth.
And now the AI comes to fully alienate us from each other, leaving even the more token communities with a “am I talking to a real person or a computer facsimile” lingering dread with each passing year.
What’s even more annoying is when their refinements end up putting an objectively wrong answer as the authoritative record.
I found a question where someone new to electronics was how to get more current from a USB power supply.
The “correct” answer that was posted before the question was closed was that a source can’t limit current and the questioner should learn more about electricity.
The actual correct answer - and probably what the questioner was looking for - is to short the data lines together because a compliant USB charger will only supply 500mA by default, not it’s stated max current.
What drives me mad is when a question is closed as a duplicate, and when you look at the duplicate it’s either for a different version of the product and thus the answer isn’t relevant, or the question straight up wasn’t answered there either.
Increasingly, I find the answer is in the comments, or not at all
your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else’s plans and ideologies
That hits hard for me. Not that someone changed the spirit of my answer but that someone completely reworded it without my permission. It was almost like they were trying to steal my idea without running afoul of copyright or something.
“How do I get this working in 22.04?”
“Previous question answers this.” Tagged as best answer
“No, the previous question answers it with a method that was removed in 22.04”
silence
It’s 40% assholes People who delete “Hi,” From the first line of the question Because a modicum of politeness and humanity is inefficient And don’t get me started about the XY problem solvers Stack exchange gamifies rudeness and dismissiveness.
i have no love for brian thompson or ceos but the canonisation of a well off wealthy rich kid from a family of republicans is a bit disturbing.
this who you’re defending when you attack Luigi’s character.
just making sure you’re getting the whole picture in view for everyone to see.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/slain-healthcare-ceos-life-airbrushed
you got me; because i don’t like swooning over rich privileged people i’m defending ceos… /rolleyes
I’m going to guess that you don’t understand exactly what you’re doing. So let me put it into a different context.
During the last major civil rights movement, the black community coined term “black lives matter”. To combat and drown out that message, conservatives created their own message, “all lives matter”. It was effective in the sense that it drummed up rage against conservative so much that the message of “Black Lives Matter” lost its volume and couldn’t be heard.
What you’re effectively doing, is pulling an “all lives matter”. you’re (unwilling or not) muddying the message that the elite and rich are abusing the system to take advantage of the people.
The mechanics of this message you’re supporting attempt to draw more attention to Luigi’s socioeconomic background over the actions he took. The actions he took being, the assassination of a CEO who has killed thousands, if not more, of American citizens based on the executive actions he took to increase profits over human life. Not only that, but he also supported unfair and inhumane treatment towards patients.
Fortunately, the message you’re unwittingly spreading is weaker than the real message behind the actions that Luigi took.
BTW, because I’ll probably get banned for posting his message here, I’ll share the article that has it. just in case you’re confused about why he did what he did.
Very well said, I hope you don’t catch a ban for this comment.
comparing luigi to the civil rights movement and black civil rights leaders is wild… and grossly offensive.
He’s closer to you in class and status than Brian Thompson ever was. How fine a comb do you want to use to divide us? Where’s the line?
what does this have to do with dividing us? i mean they’re both not close to me. they’re both wealthy people from well off families. i think instead of donating a bunch of money to him, people should start donating to people facing vast sums of medical debt.
People do - through tax but the rich divert the funds through policy using laws that they’ve shaped to benefit themselves rather than the nation.
Honestly, if anyone has a chance of murdering the rich and setting a precedent of self defence over social murder, it’s another rich who can afford an excellent lawyer to see out the lengthy court case.
Instead of people paying for ridiculous amount of medical debt due to inflated amount of medical bill due insurance companies. Govt can pay for their own people medical coverage who are paying tax for them to run the govt.
sure but that’s not likely to happen with republicans in government.
If i have to say both are similar. They work for the ultra rich. They both don’t care about common people, you and I both. That’s why Luigi mangione did what he had to do. Making the rich know their place. Whether he is rich or not doesn’t matter. We needed to send the message across.
thanks for this revelation. I’m going to look down the rabbit hole for myself. what a story if his account is true.
That’s fucking bullshit.
Censorship needs to die.
platforms like this are essentially private ownership of the commons
never out blind fate in corporations or govenments
Assigning to a number like they do prisoners.
Disgusting behaviour from Stack Overflow and the perpetrators.
He’s user number 24601 as far as I’m concerned
Gione Valgione
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we are all numbers. lemmy.ca has a user number for you, your government has a number for you, your local library has a number for you.
that is just how a digital world works.
probably was the internal id number, but still scummy behaviour.
