• Elgenzay@lemmy.ml
    763·
    4 months ago

    There was a good comment by @pjwestin@lemmy.world the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:

    Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”

    After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        471·
        4 months ago

        Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.

        That’s it. Some users make it a fight.

        • Codeviper828@lemmus.orgEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          What exactly are instances? I picked one at random that claimed to be “general purpose” because I didn’t know what I was doing (I migrated very recently)

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            4·
            2 months ago

            Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.

            Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren’t defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).

            I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then interact with other instances.

            • Codeviper828@lemmus.orgEnglish
              3·
              2 months ago

              Wait…you can browse instances without making an account??? Whoops, lol, I guess I was a little too eager to get Boost for Lemmy working with an account of my own immediately following Boost for Reddit getting nuked.

              Is there a good way to browse instances? (Particularly through Boost?)

              Also, what are the instances… literally? Like, I’ve never seen social media have groups like this (tied to the account, and separate from the communities, that is)

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                4·
                2 months ago

                Yep, you can browse instances just by visiting their sites! It’s how I signed up to the couple I use, not sure how Boost handles it, I just use my mobile web browser (Hexbear has emojis you can use if you use the web version, so I just use that). I am sorry about not knowing Boost specifically, my fiancé uses Voyager.

                As for what instances literally are, they are their own websites and servers, but they can talk to each other, think email. Gmail can talk to protonmail, etc

                • Codeviper828@lemmus.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  So, Lemmy is a bunch of separate social media networks that seamlessly* connect to each other? That’s… really cool

        • Fatur_New@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          very liberal leaning and defederated

          For me, “slight liberal leaning” is more appropriate for them

        • YippieKyeAy@lemmy.world
          9·
          4 months ago

          I’m pretty progressive leaning and just joined .world because I had no idea what lemmy was and was tired of reddit but I thought it didn’t matter what one you joined since you can see all the other instances correct? Or am I wrong here, like if I go to All it shows pose from all instances? Have been curious why I have seen so much far left as in comrade leftist post so I guess that adds up if .world is where they mainly hang out. But again I still don’t completely understand lemmy but I enjoy it more than reddit

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            251·
            4 months ago

            Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can’t see any of that content and the other island’s users can’t comment.

            Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can’t see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your “All” feed doesn’t show anything from them.

            Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that’s part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.

            • gcheliotis@lemmy.world
              1·
              4 months ago

              Wait did world defederare from ml after all? I thought it hadn’t. Because people keep complaining about ml and I still see memes.ml and comments from ml users. Or is it one of these things where federation works in ways that are more complex than most of us assume? Is it that the other instances defederated from world? But I’ve seen ml users comment on my comments. Argh federarion is confusing…

      • NutWrench@lemmy.mlEnglish
        21·
        4 months ago

        There’s currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.

        If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the “official” community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.

  • intensely_human@lemm.ee
    392·
    4 months ago

    The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.

    • sozesoze@lemmy.world
      133·
      4 months ago

      Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It’s so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It’s also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that… /s

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
          1·
          4 months ago

          It’s so inefficient to have these different instances defederating from one another. We should prevent defederation and make it illegal to have redundant instances.

          There should be a Chief Efficiency Overlord to make all this happen.

  • Lenny@lemmy.world
    28·
    4 months ago

    It kinda pisses me off tbh. It’s like that friend that has to keep telling you how boring the movie is when you’re just trying to sit and watch it. Like, stfu and go away then, stop trying to be a crab on the bucket for the rest of us.

  • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
    31·
    4 months ago

    I’ll be pretty annoyed if world and ml break up. I just want to scroll and they’re most of the content.

    • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      283·
      4 months ago

      If everyone on .world just blocked a handful of people, the issue would disappear. It’s mostly a small number of shitheads using a common “enemy” for attention and power.

      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
        9·
        4 months ago

        Real. I just want to shit on cars that I don’t like and glaze Porsche like a good boomer.

    • samtoxie@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      4 months ago

      As a Dutchman representing the Dutch, we fully agree with the statement made.

      Obligatory: G E K O L O N I S E E R D

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
    303·
    4 months ago

    Hey drama is part of social media, it drives engagement plus we are hashing out this place should work. Also power tripping mods sub is great, solid discussions

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      363·
      4 months ago

      it drives engagement

      Defenestrate corporate media framing. There are no advertisers to market social media “engagement” to. We are not the product. In fact there is no product, just as there is no customer.

      • balsoft@lemmy.ml
        51·
        4 months ago

        Engagement is just “emotional involvement or commitment”, it’s not necessarily “corporate media framing”. Capitalist platforms abuse this for profit (as they do with everything good), hopefully we can use it to create stronger communities.

      • underwire212@lemm.ee
        4·
        4 months ago

        Different type of engagement. Not “how lomg you view ads, click rate, view rate, etc” but just posting and commenting.

  • wowwoweowza@lemmy.world
    3·
    4 months ago

    Thank you. Spot on.

    I’m also seeing bizarre infiltrations of instances by likely paid teams of saboteurs who know exactly how to deFed the federated.

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
    16·
    4 months ago

    From what I’ve seen, a lot of the toxicity is trickling down from the powermods. Same issue migrated from Reddit.