I see ZERO discussion about how this is obvious theatre. We are so incapable of standing up to basic manipulation tactics from the right.
trump first started using tiktok as another xenophobic boogeyman, in what was a fairly nuanced situation - trump’s position being completely wrong, but ultimately some truth to the fact that companies run in China inherently have involvement of the Chinese government and thule should be reached, monitored and if abused, access should be removed.
This actual push was always meant to be something to hang on Biden admin either way (because again, some valid points to a potential ban) but in reality trump will now “save” this artificial shutdown to “restore tiktok” and millions of low information voters and non voters alike will think he did something. And in the meantime, whatever the fuck this lemon8 and red whatever apps are will likely be a huge privacy monitoring home as midst will leave things dormant in background as well after tiktok is “restored”.
Again, we are just so I’ll equipped for anything to do with technology.
I agree with you.
And, well, I assume everything coming from the US is
theaterentertainment from the get-go. That’s why I don’t even bother discussing it anymore although I have recently pointed that out about Trump is trying to divert with the Greenland fiasco and the media is being complicit. This is just another one of the pile. I think he’s purposely flooding the media and pushing for Americans’ mental exhaustion.ultimately some truth to the fact that companies run in China inherently have involvement of the Chinese government
I’d say that’s an understatement. The Chinese government is greatly involved in many aspects of their social media because they don’t have speech protections for individuals nor the press. Xi wants absolute control, so the Chinese government is also involved in other questionable news this week about sponsoring hackers who were primarily targeting the US for gathering intelligence: Millions of Americans caught up in Chinese hacking plot - US. They had state-sponsored malware on 10,000 computers targeting civil rights activists. It doesn’t seem in their interest to play fair, I wonder what their strategy would be if Trump steps in to stroke hes ego.
Also, part of me thinks one of his aides overheard someone talking about banning TikTok for this reason and thought to himself, “Sounds good but it’s too leftist for us to peddle. This would be great to pin on the old geezer!.” and pitched it to Trump as a win-win. It’s absurd, don’t listen to me.
I’m honestly surprised more content creators on TikTok haven’t raised a stink about this from what I’ve seen. Agree with it or not, for some people this is their livelihood.
IIRC TikTok is rather top heavy in terms of income and this highest tier of influencers is diversified across all media channels anyway.
Regular folk have better luck making money on YouTube and Instagram so TikTok creators are unusual bunch. In my experience (which is very likely shaped by the algorithm) they are a mix of talent show performers, odd personalities and no longer relevant one hit wonders that got lucky. They’re mostly sad about losing that space because it’s so different to alternatives. I don’t think anyone that doesn’t have much money feels in power anymore so what are they going to do?
Yeah, but those affiliate links made people bank, especially during the holidays.
I actually got like half my ideas and my daughters from the tiktok shop. (Then went and bought it on Aliexpress)
Most content creators that I know have either openly stated that they prefer it shutting down because it’s such a royal pain in the ass to use TikTok since it’s audience is so different than their other platforms, or have said they stopped using it without showing a position, the only reason they used it in the first place is because that’s where the audience is but they would much prefer other alternatives
Ok.
(I bet tiktok doesn’t shut down, but if it does I can’t wait for my kids to tell me about all the meltdowns at middle school over tiktok shutting down. Too many parents let their kids have unfettered internet access. No, mine don’t have tiktok.)
No, mine don’t have tiktok
Bet they do
No. They don’t.
I installed the home LAN, set site restrictions, app restrictions, use parental controls on all their devices, use OpenDNS family shield, PiHole, and app installation controls on their devices.
Even of they did find a way to see it I would see the IP address flagged.
Sounds draconian, but social media is fucked up for kids. They can have access at 16. They have a shitload of other internet freedom, though. They’re good kids.
Good. TikTok is pure fucking brainrot. People acting like it’s disappearance is some great tragedy make me laugh.
Cannot wait to stop receiving these fuckin links
“you can’t fire me, i quit” well, alright, that was always and option, lol
Gen z better prep for 'em withdrawls… They love telling how they don’t drink or do drugs haha
Let’s see how they will cope.
Some app is about to explode
Rednote started exploding 3 days ago, it’s been #1 on android and apple stores since.
Gonna take us government few years to ban it haha
No, it’ll probably take weeks to days; with the new law the president can unilaterally ban any foreign-owned app with 1 million users.
Watch Biden ban it on Jan 19th as a final fuck you.
Honestly it’s probably more likely that China bans the US users first. RedNote is openly CCP incorporated and has very strict community rules and heavy censorship. Cleavage is censored, I was cracking up because people’s profile pics got denied and they couldn’t understand the Mandarin to know why.
/c/upliftingnews
Get this Reddit shit out of here
Stop. Don’t. Come back.
Any social media that you isn’t open and self hostable (Lemmy, Mastodon, etc) should not be used. That includes Facebook, Instagram, Twitter/X, TikTok, and more.
Most social media has, IMHO, been a net-negative for society and I am in the generation that grew up with it in its infancy.
Lol good luck getting the masses on board
I could care less about “the masses”. Most of the world are morons.
couldn’t care less**
I don’t want the masses. They can stay in the containment shart shead.
My one wish for Fediverse would be federated identities. So I don’t have to have baronvonj@<platform> for ever single one of them.
On the plus side, it’s nice that you don’t need a new ID for every Lemmy instance.
@baronvonj
What do you mean? I’m posting from a #Friendica account to #mastodon, #lemmy and #pixelfed - One account. no worries
@chronicledmonocle @technologyLemmy sits a bit apart from the rest in that it doesn’t quite work for direct person-to-person interaction. Following Lemmy discussions on Mastodon is possible but clunky and Lemmy doesn’t quite know how to quiet all the @ mentions and things in comments made from Mastodon so they look really loud/busy. I can see Lemmy communities from Firefish but I don’t see any of the posts/comments (maybe I have to follow one first?). I’ve never tried following Lemmy from Pixelfed.
But each of those platforms has a different UI. The experience and features posting media on Pixelfed is much different. But I still have to setup a separate Pixelfed instance account if I want to make use of them. And my data will thus be spread across those instances. And people will need to follow both the Mastodon and Pixelfed accounts if they want to see both sets of posts. I’d love to just hat the one identity to manage with my content from all platforms associated with it.
@baronvonj
Use #Friendica - #lemmy works well there for me - you also got to realise there is a lot of playing around with UIs in different client apps - #Fedilab #racoon plus so many more
@technology
You can use mastodon from Lemmy? I don’t have it so I don’t know how that works.
You can’t follow Mastodon users from Lemmy. You can view their profiles, but messaging them doesn’t seem to work (I receive no notification of it on Mastodon) and it only shows you the comments they made on Lemmy rather than all their posts. You can @ mention Mastodon users in Lemmy posts and comments, and that works. And they can follow Lemmy communities and their replies show up in the post comments.
@SynopsisTantilize
Well Im not entirely sure what will happen using a lemmy account byt try - Grab your Lemmy account and login a client like #Fedilab - Find a Mastodon user and comment or follow them and watch what happens.There are multiple open issues for Lemmy support in FediLab, I don’t think it’s actually supported right now.
You’re describing what Tim Berners-Lee is tryna build with Solid.
Ooh, snazzy. I’ll give it a look.
I second this opinion. The federated applications and communities aren’t perfect, but it’s less toxic and better to use in general due to the lack of an all-encompassing algorithm that guides your usage to increase views for ad revenue.
I wonder if they’ll sell or go down in flames.
If they sell, it’ll just become overly moderated like Facebook.
If they go down in flames, a bunch of overnight competitors will compete to succeed.
The US is a tiny market compared to the rest of users, why would they ever sell?
Did you see the post made by Zucker? They’re going to stop moderating posts, especially those made from, Right wing motherfuckers
They can moderate by boosting certain opinions and downranking others. It doesn’t need fact checkers because it’s platform owner interests and not facts that matter.
Instagram reels about to get a whole lot worse
A lot of people are saying that the US government banned TikTok, but from what I’m understanding, that’s not really what happened and what’s happening. Or have I misinterpreted things? From what I understand, they were told they had to divest and sell, but they fought that and now are opting to shutdown rather than comply. Is that not the case?
Either way, I’m gonna go all “I walked to school uphill both ways barefoot in a meter of snow” on this and say that my very little experience with TikTok users seems to suggest that its not much more than pure, unadulterated brain rot. So regardless of the fact(s) (i.e. shutdown / banned / etc), there’s maybe the tiniest sliver of a net positive here. Or not. It doesn’t affect me one way or the other and given where this country is politically (as well as where it is headed), I don’t give a rat poopoo.
brain rot
It’s a superior algorithm. You get what you engage with.
I’m going to miss the largest community of left leaning American creators, educators, and activists. I’ve learned so much about politics, social engagement, and community building.
But that’s just my feed. I’m sure there’s a lot of crap too.
how dare you bring an enlightened perspective into the Chinese brain rot on this platform! /s
I’m posting the same comment in two replies here now, terrible behaviour, but yes exactly this was an attempt to force a sale and get tiktok into American ownership.
It feels very neat that America would think tiktok would ultimately choose the option where it gets more money, but that the Chinese instead choose control.
that being the case, doesn’t that provide more merit to tiktok being a data mining operation that China uses against American interests?
You shut down one app, ten other apps get more popular
Good! Hopefully one of those other apps is federated and free from any hostile interests.
I have my doubts that any app will collect the user base back together ever again. I may be wrong, but once TikTok is gone, people will splinter to different apps that are nowhere near as popular.
Yes but diversity is good 👍
Why let the Chinese get all the eyeballs for propaganda? Surely we should give other nations a chance?
IMHO they should shut down every app that is both popular and has an exceedingly difficult to penetrate monopoly. Let the competitors rush in and do a it again when the same situation occurs!
Do it. Let the US be a closed censored state like it desperately wants to be.
They’ll even put the hashtag #freespeach when they deliver their ban.
noooo not the cringe app!! everything but the cringe app
Should Facebook be banned in China?
It already is, and yes.
Already is, but should we compare US and China in terms of censorship?
Don’t tell me, a .ml user came here to complain about whataboutism.
Dumn liberals, only tankies get to do concern trolling and whataboutism.
Lol, I’ve no idea what .ml user even means. I chose an instance with no second thought. They just had a Stardew Valley community I liked.
Do it. Let the hate flow through you.
How many western apps are banned in west Taiwan, anyway?
🧊 🍑
Free speech means the government will let citizens criticise them or communicate other political opinions without sanctions. It does not mean they can’t ban one channel of communication when they are worried foreign actors use it to take advantage of the citizens. There are plenty other channels through which the citizens can communicate their opinions.
It’s a .ml tankie, they only care because it’s a Chinese company, guaranteed if it was like a UK company or something they wouldn’t say a word about it lmao
“Worried foreign actors use it to take advantage if the citizens” you mean like Cambridge analytica and facebook? Yet all the government did to them is go after their competitors and give them more power. How strange.
Yall are so thirsty for the boot because its currently stepping on the evil boogeyman our government has trained us to hate
Especially now that trumps coming into power its shocking so much people on here are excited for the government to shut down an app. What makes yall think they wont target lemmy/mastadon/etc once theyre the apps being used show people the genocides being commited by the US and israel
those were not foreign. that is where the US government and law drew the line.
Yeah which is just xenophobic and dumb and doesnt protect Americans. We need comprehensive data protection laws and transparent algorithms not laws that help monopolies gain even more power to manipulate us
