• SavvyWolf@pawb.social
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    9 days ago

    He’s just into war reenactment and also expressing that his heart went out to him (/s).

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    Normalizing fascism.

    The sooner we accept we’ve reached that stage, the sooner we can do something about it.

    I’m not holding my breath.

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      Start calling them Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, to start.

      Honestly, the simple act of doing that has calmed a lot of the dissonance in my brain.

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          I don’t like Trump or Musk, I just keep my head when all else about are losing theirs.

          Enjoy your echo chamber, must be nice when there’s no-one that has a different opinion or disagrees with you.

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            “You just don’t like people with different opinions about what types of humans should be eradicated. Not me, willing to have all sorts of conversations about ranking people in terms of who is subhuman.”

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              I think there’s a difference between blocking people that use hate speech and blocking those who you simply disagree with but I don’t know why I keep bothering to try explaining myself.

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            Enjoy your echo chamber, must be nice when there’s no-one that has a different opinion or disagrees with you.

            So how I feel about this depends somewhat on which platform I’m on, but why do some try to paint it as a virtue to allow ourselves to be surrounded by toxicity?

            I can be aware of what is happening in the world and engaged with people who have different opinions than I have without having to let them pollute the places where I just want to be able to exist without harassment and assholery. I can also make different decisions about how insular I want to be on one platform vs another. I don’t have to let those people into my life, and I frankly find it kind of offensive when folks suggest that I or others are somehow missing out by not letting them in.

            No one should feel obligated to let themselves be the target of hateful rhetoric or comments that hurt them or bring negativity into their lives. Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it’s not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.

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              I agree that there is a huge difference between blocking hate (who the site should be blocking anyway due to breaching the community guidelines) and blocking someone you simply disagree with or are offended by.

              When it comes to being offended it’s different, we can all agree that hate shouldn’t be tolerated, but offence is in the eye of the beholder.

              I could block any users that I find to be offensive and live in a lovely online community where everyone agrees with me but I personally don’t want a community that doesn’t reflect the real world and I find it mentally unhealthy to pretend that offensive people and/or people with different points of view don’t exist.

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                Why? Why is it a virtue of some kind if when I go online I allow the same people to continually make that experience worse for me?

                Choosing to allow that is a valid choice, but it’s not necessarily a healthy one, and choosing not to allow it is a reasonable choice for people to make for themselves for the sake of their own health or happiness.

                Social media isn’t the entire world. Personally blocking the people I don’t want to interact with on specific platforms (or even all platforms) doesn’t remove my ability to interact with the world and the events going on within it, nor does it remove my ability to hear other opinions.

                Edited to add - I fully support someone such as yourself choosing to NOT block people. But I don’t like that we’re normalizing the idea that we all just have to accept what is coming to us from social media in the name of “considering other opinions”, nor that doing so is inherently virtuous. I can consider other opinions and create an online environment for myself that is not toxic.

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                  You do you, I’m not here to tell anyone what their Lemmy experience should be, I’m just saying I personally believe that it’s unhealthy to surround yourself only with people that agree with you, we all have to go back to the real world at some point.

                  There was a post yesterday where a guy was not going to his brother’s wedding because they’d had a fall out over the whole Musk thing. I think that’s terrible.

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          I don’t know where you got that opinion from. An echo chamber is an echo chamber and I think it’s a shame regardless of which flavour it is.

          I’m here for open debate and freedom of expression, knowing that will mean having to see and read things I don’t like every now and again.

          If other people want to block other users up to the point there’s no one else that has a different opinion to them, then they absolutely can do that but I thinks it’s just being an ostrich that sticks it’s head in the sand.

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              I consider my self a lefty, but I think it’s important to consider all points of view, especially when I disagree with them.

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                You can consider the nazi point of view (do you really need to though?) without defending nazis’ right to spew their bullshit.

                And let’s face it, even if lemmy was 100% leftists, the rest of the world is fascist as fuck so it’ll never be an echo chamber.

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                  The only speech I don’t defend is hate speech. Everything else must be fair game, no matter how much I personally don’t like it or how much I disagree.

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                  If nothing else, it’s practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.

                  I also find it quite fascinating to try understanding other people, I already understand the reasoning behind my beliefs and already know what I know. Talking to someone different from me is much more interesting than talking to someone very similar to me.

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              Someone with the privilege of not belonging to a group that fascists wants to exterminate from the planet, apparently.

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        I’m sorry, we’re you in DC this week knocking down the white house doors and throwing molotovs?

        Right. Shut up. You ain’t doing jack shit either.

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      9 days ago

      Sometimes I can’t understand why I’m so joyless and cynical, then I read some of the comments on Lemmy and feel a lot better about myself!

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      I have changed nothing,

      Yeah, it’s almost like this isn’t about you. It’s almost like it’s about a major world power openly embracing fascism and neo nazis.

      Get off the internet if it bothers you.

    • Kichae@lemmy.ca
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      Well, go do something about the Nazis and people will stop talking about them. If you want a feed to the world outside of your head, thay means dealing what what everyone else is talking about.

      You can always just go jerk off in the shower and STFU about it

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Who amongst us hasn’t mistakenly made what looks like a Nazi salute, twice, in front of a crowd whilst doing a speech, been wrongfully interpreted as an AfD supporter after having said “I support the AfD” or made posts claiming that Jews do bad things which were unfairly seen as antisemitic?

      It could happen to anybody!

      /s

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    Sorry, but red shirt does have a point. People have been called a Nazi so many times because of small disagreements that now that we have musk make heil hitler signs, people actually wonder if he’s really a neo nazi or not.

    People should keep the “nazi” label for the real assholes

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      Voicing concerns as the republicans slowly claimed their way towards fascism is not the same as an imagined wolf.

      The allegory would be watching a wolf circle the chickens but idiots dismissing it because then wolf hasn’t killed any chickens yet.

      But that didn’t work as well for wolf sympathizer like you.

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        Mostly what I see are pedants who keep arguing that actually it’s a coyote circling the chickens, and that calling it a wolf de-legitimizes actually crying wolf, and that wolves had a very specific platform, and all the while the coyote is getting closer to the fucking henhouse.

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      Red shirt needs merely to turn around and see the brown shirt with the swastika. There isn’t a lot of grey area for interpretation of this comic, the artist is being very clear.

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      This isn’t the same as The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

      Unless you’re talking about a version of the story where there really were wolves every time he cried wolf and nobody believed him until the wolves were eating people.

      Still not a perfect analogy but much closer.

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    This is every fucking conversation I have with my right leaning friends at this point.

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        Good idea, but how do you then denazify them? There’s way too many Nazis to just “cut them off”, it’d be like living in a rural town without using a car.

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          Not to say that Nazis are good, but that’s a primarily defensive tactic, where we should be using offensive tactics like propaganda and sabotage. You’re not living in the America you knew. The enemy surrounds us entirely and we have to understand that.

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            No no no you don’t understand. It’s the cult of people who call anybody who does a weird salute or mildly dislikes Jewish people or brown people and wants to declassify women as people with rights as a Nazi. Don’t you see it’s both sides that are extremist. You’re just giving in to left wing propaganda…

            ~the centrist point of view

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            I mean really they are all fascists so really it would be some kind of anti-fascist movement.

            🤔

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              Which is why the right has been vilifying the term antifa for the last 6-8 years. That way they can be primed to kill anti-fascists without having to admit to themselves that it means they’re fascist.