Summary
A European Parliament member claimed that the U.S. gave Europe three weeks to agree on Ukraine’s “surrender” terms or risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Mika Aaltola made the claim on X, but provided no evidence. NBC News reported that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suggested a U.S. troop reduction in Europe.
Trump reportedly plans to cut 20,000 troops and demand greater NATO contributions. He has pushed for higher NATO defense spending.
Trump may meet with Putin soon, believing Russia holds the upper hand in negotiations.
It’s the US that are surrendering, not Ukraine nor Europe. This is a defeat for the US, I don’t see other countries that could be qualified as being defeated. Russia not yet but we’re getting there. With or without the US.
Ukraine and US are the losers in this war. US have lost considerable influence and goodwill, and Ukraine has lost land and people.
In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland’s Mika Aaltola of the European People’s Party claimed that the U.S. “has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine’s surrender,” referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.
“If we don’t, the United States will withdraw from Europe,” Aaltola added.
Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.
And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.
He is also lying he will hand over Europe the second Ukraine falls or daddy Putin commands him to.
To be fair, Mika Aaltola is known in Finland as a noted populist and doomsayer that has a flair for the dramatic. His foreign policy predictions have also been pretty much all wrong since before the start of war in Ukraine.
I’d take anything he says or leaks with a big spoon of salt.
Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that’s going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.
Europe countries do not have the power to “unleash holy hell upon the US.”
France’s thermonuclear arsenal says hello.
Not really what we want to do though, surely.
That you?
This but economy 101. Why waste military hardware when the most precious thing the US has economically is their high tech sector. Let’s tank it for the Lulz.
The most triggering for Trump would be to ignore the gulf of America thingy… Keep calling the gulf of Mexico., the gulf of Mexico.
fascicle
Never seen this word before and in my head I just read “foshizzle”
I mean, we’ve all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.
Jog on.
Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They’re looking at how you’re throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking “Oh hell yes”.
I’m confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China’s supply chain. And Russia proved it’s a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.
I mean, if Trump actually secures China’s supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There’s nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China’s production capacity, Jesus fuck that’s terrifying.
The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.
They got loads of weapons and ammunition, even soldiers.
It’s about whether US will do the same throw under the bus routine with Taiwan I think. China would love to know that the US won’t seriously contest an attempt to invade their neighbor across the strait
I’m not sure what Taiwan has to do with a supply chain, but yeah, Taiwan falling to China would absolutely be part of the agreement. And as insane as what I’m about to say, especially since I’m Taiwanese, Taiwan would be a tiny footnote if this all goes through. It’s nuts that the entirety of the democracy’s survival is completely dependent on the will of 3 people and 2 of them have already proven to be completely insane and the third one no one is happy with.
Taiwan is important culturally to China for history reasons. But it’s much important financially and technoly wise due to tsmc. That was the true point of the chips act so us technology wouldn’t be so reliant of Taiwan but I doubt Trump understands that.
It’s far more than historical reasons, Taiwan is complicated at best. I’m not going to claim I know who’s right or wrong or literally anything on the topic. All I can say is my personal opinion and on that I hope Taiwan will find a way to keep it’s independence regardless of their official standing in the world.
On the chip act. Yes, I agree, very much so…
Looking into history to determine which territory should belong to which country is such a bullshit.
Sure. So we go by votes? What about Hawaii, Barcelona, Ireland, I could go on. Those are all nations that have been swallowed to history where western nations are OK with the oppression of people. What makes the difference, what is the deciding factor? I dunno, but any way you judge it, every nation is doing this today.
Why do you think Trump is asking for Greenland? They’re been trying to be independent for some time now the the Dutch won’t let them. Obviously they don’t want to be swallowed by USA, but they’re so small they might not have a choice. So no maps here, what are we basing it on? How does it work?
The reason for this happening now is that Russia is on the verge of collapse and Putin has turned the screws on trump. If things don’t go his way the pee tape will leak
Pretty sure its P for pedofile not pee.
I kinda doubt China wants to share things with the US. That and I doubt Putin wants the China to be stronger either. I think China would be cool not stepping in the way of the US and Russia so long as they see some opportunities for themselves.
China sees themselves as top dog in the world. The name for China in mandarin Chinese translates to “the central kingdom”. They want to exert economic control over the world rather than military. They want to be the country that all the other countries go to for help. Essentially they want the USA’s old job.
Yeah, but we have to hope as a species that’s what China decides. Looking at their history, that’s actually likely. But we’re basically gambling on a sane decision from the CCP. That’s not a place I want to be. Though in fairness, I think most people here would agree with me.
When I stated china is look for opportunities for themselves, I don’t imagine it’s anything good for us. Regardless of what Xi’s china decides, it won’t be good for democracy nor us.
I’m just talking about very bad and less very bad. But yes, regardless now the outcome is negative.
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Which one is the 1 here, cause 2 is america
We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.
Most of the global community benefits from Trump’s government. They aren’t looking for a regime change. Western nations and US Eastern allies are the ones that are being betrayed.
Trump is gambling with monopoly money.
He put all his money on red.
But Europe is playing poker.
The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.
And keep them shut if fair elections are not allowed to be carried out by their reality tv star dictator.
Nah. Keep them closed forever. We dont need the traitor alliance
Time for Europe to man up and show the middle finger.
As an American I am begging Europe not to give in to appeasement. Traitorapist Trump is a huge liar and buffoon. You have to stand up to Trump or he will keep abusing you over and over. Europe + Ukraine is way more powerful than Russia is anyway. Also, we need a big shock to the system to take our country back from Putin’s stooge.
If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life
“If any man dies with a clean sword, I’ll rape his fucking corpse!” - Winston Churchill, 1940.
Hungary and Slovakia for sure. Italy is heading in that direction after Meloni cried about the anti-trump meeting held in Paris.
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You can count on Hungary and maybe Slovakia to grovel…like good america/russia first Europeans.
Possibly Serbia too
Serbia is in Europe but not in EU, in this case their opinion (which probably aligns with the Kremlin) doesn’t count
Fucking piece of shit.
Also known as “pig hitler”
And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.
Or what?
Trump doesn’t have the authority to dictate the foreign policy of other countries making his statement just as empty and meaningless as mine.
Are you suggesting the US hasn’t been dictating the foreign policy of any country in history? That’s a wild statement.
Fuck him. First, he’ll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he’ll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the “deals” that he’s made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he’ll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won’t.
Don’t ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he’ll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, “Sorry, we don’t agree. If that means you’ll withdraw, then don’t let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out.” Bam! End of bullying and if he didn’t want to withdraw, he’ll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).
Ukraine can’t survive without US assistance.
Maybe not, even probably not, but with Europe’s help it can at least keep fighting for now, with the possibility that something could happen in US or Russia to change the equation in that time. That’s all very uncertain, but what is certain is that if Europe agrees to this Putin/Trump terms of surrender, it’s over for Ukraine immediately. And then other countries will be next.
We don’t know for certain whether other countries will be next or not.
Europe providing more support for Ukraine hoping for a miracle might lead to more suffering for Ukrainians and just more territory losses. That’s a risky bet. It also feels like a half hearted measure. Might be time Europe goes all in it really thinks Russia is an existential threat.
We do know for certain, we know Putin’s plans, he’s not exactly keeping them secret. In this new situation that is more positive for him, he has no reason to suddenly choose not to continue.
I insist that we don’t know for certain what Putin’s plans are. If you are so sure yourself, would you bet your most valuable possession on it?
Besides, if you are so sure of that, isn’t time for European countries to drastically ramp up support for Ukraine and join the war?
Oh they are still here?
Regrettably
Yeah. Their nukes too
risk an American withdrawal from Europe.
Do it, coward
We’ll keep all the non-personel weaponry tyvm!
Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.
Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. “Biden did this with the Democrats!” He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.
They can lie all they want. No trade means inflation. Inflation means markets crashing. It can’t be stopped without spreading wealth oligarchs don’t want to share with those in need. When people starve, they will murder rampantly to stay alive.
Most of the rich are smart enough to know they only stay rich if the people stay peaceful and mildly satiated. You don’t want to lock yourself in with 250,000,000 starving people with guns.
338M
I was just doing rough math for the almost 60%+ that live paycheck to paycheck. Figure those people will make it about a month with that kind of inflation before they can’t make rent/food/ whatever
these billionaires have bunkers in NZ, they arnt staying here incase shit like this happens.
Point is they wouldn’t let it happen. They’d stop it by throwing Trump and co under the bus and take their money and power to the next best thing. Which would likely be backing a stupid moderate Democrat and getting things “back to normal” as fast as possible
You’re talking about the negative results, but the important point is who is attributed as causing them or the reason behind them. If there’s record inflation, I can imagine a situation where MAGAs believe it’s for a good reason, or because woke caused it or something. Remember, people died with covid, in complete disbelief of it because of conservative spin.
I’m hoping people wake up, but who knows how far we must fall before they do. Jan 6 and COVID I thought were those points. But here we are at depths unimaginable, and accelerating.
In regards to oligarchs, look how bad things are in other countries. Russia is an example where people have less rights, freedoms and money than us yet they aren’t rebelling. We can still reach that point sadly. I hope you’re right that people wake up and become angry way before they point.
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I really do hope the eu doesn’t even negotiate with terrorists.
Or… Trump can pull the us military out of Europe, Canada joins the EU, and we seize American and russian assets to build a truly massive army.
EU with the last part already way ahead of you
The very first requirement to join the EU is to be in Europe. Try seizing American assets and see what happens.
Trump tries to send the army to fight the Europeans and they refuse because they aren’t as r****ded as he is?
