Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.
“I agree,” he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying “it’s time” for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.
The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration’s “America First” agenda.
The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.
U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.
Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine “can forget” about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.
Why the fuck should we care what he says?!
Because he has unchecked power in our government. It’s important to pay close attention to what he says and does, so we can figure out the best ways to remove him.
Who?
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration
Checks out.
Note how he did not say that it doesn’t align with the US.
It’s kinda like Brexit
Except even the UK at it’s most anti-EU still understood that NATO and the UN helped them more than it cost them.
The strength of the US as a power and economy would be devastated if they forfeited their standing in those organizations. Particularly the UN hardly demands anything of the US but broadly caters to US sentiment. It’s a super cheap channel to exercise US soft power.
Basically destroy all things that made the US a world leader.
Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.
good point, they will be out of UNSC as well.
Name one time US veto power was used for good.
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I don’t know if the EU/NATO can actually exist without US backing; those are fundamentally US projects created to serve US interests (not that the dumbass Trump regime understands this), without the US they’ll enter crisis.
The last time Trump was President we had Brexit. How long until another Euro skeptic government forms? Germany saw AfD achieve its best result in the history of the party, and it’s only a month into Trump’s term.
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Another way to phrase this: In the absence of US hegemony, the endless wars inflicted on the Global South will finally come home to the imperial core. Millions can be slaughtered all over the world and it’s not world war, it’s only “world war” when it happens to white people.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Not really. Oppression and civil unrest will come home, car bombs and Troubles style. Nuclear armaments preclude other things.
But if the US goes and the EU does not step in, the era of soft power global diplomacy is over. People like Musk will take over the reins and we will have colonialism like never before.
We already see what a power with unchecked power can do in Gaza. Imagine the US doing that, just to the whole of Latin America.
The only people who will face your “just retribution” is the working class everywhere, but as an ML, you must be symphatising with them. Do you?
What even is soft power? Sanctions are siege warfare by other means, intended to inflict suffering in the population to destabilize the country. Meddling by USAID, World Bank, and the IMF are intended to subvert democratic power and prop up dictatorships and ensure continued underdevelopment for maximum exploitation and the generation of superprofits. Meanwhile, covert action by the State Department and intelligence apparatus leads to endless regime changes and coups and civil wars and mass slaughter.
“Soft power” is a myth. It only looks soft because it doesn’t involve US troops directly fighting and dying for the empire. Furthermore, colonialism was defeated by anticolonial resistance, not US soft power. Neocolonialism, too, will be defeated by resistance. Israel failed to defeat Hamas, and when the US does Operation Condor 2 and Monroe Doctrine 2 it will fail as well.
Have some revolutionary optimism. Stop being a doomer.
Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That’s probably the only time it’d be justified
Mostly it’s just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn’t even get the chance. Here’s a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE
warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don’t read it if you enjoy your sanity
Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven’t been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general’s takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.
Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.
Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.
Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.
Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.
Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.
Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.
Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama’s then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn’t find, assuming the Nicaraguan’s to be co-conspirators.
Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.
For making an argument to appeal to musk, that’s besides the point. In fact because the veto power being used for bad it is probably is a more appealing point
I publicly support the unaliving of musk
Launch him into space
But not into the sun. It takes more energy to launch something into the sun Vs just into space.
Can we try to land him in his stupid fucking orbiting car or whatever
Send him to Mars with a camera and he can vlog his adventure I am sure the reality shows revenue could offset some costs.
If the American people had any sense they would cut the heads off their new kings.
Perfect, I’d rather they step away and let us remake it into a n EU group.
Leaving the US inside the NATO still gives them veto rights.
May as well. At least then the cowards can’t block Ukraine from joining NATO because they’re scared shitless of Putin.
If the US leaves the UN it permanently gives up its seat in the Security Council and its veto.
Russia magically inherited the USSR’s security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)
Russia was always Russia. It was the seat of the USSR so it just stayed with Russia. If the US withdraws it gives up its seat. Canada would happily accept a permanent seat on the Security Council with veto.
There are some with veto power who would oppose it transferring to anyone
Yeah, Russia took over the debts of the USSR as well, didn’t they?
I imagine it would have to be another country with a large nuclear weapons stockpile. India comes to mind.
It was a good idea to give Russia a seat to balance power. There probably should not be any vetos.
Good. It’s faaaar past time america stops policing the world and having a seat at the big kids table, trump is a child. I do however think it’s far past time Europe polices Europe, no one will ever take over the US so we have no need for the UN. We don’t need to pay for all those other countries defenses or be involved in theor policies. Let them sort it out.
… which has cut significant amounts of government spending…
Has it, though? I mean, even its own over-inflated “receipts” are barely a microscopic percentage of a drop of the overall budget.
Isolationism won’t make America safer, just lonelier on the global stage.
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Wait until the US dives deeper into the fuck around part and countries start putting sanctions on them.
Russia isn’t going to be buying a pile of Musk’s shitty Cyberlemons.
The US intentionally leaving the organizations they have domination over as a means to exert soft power globally would certainly be good for weakening the US Empire. This seems like a case where the architects of Empire failed to raise successors and as such the ones with the reigns are now “true believers” in the architects’ web of lies.
Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.
I wonder what’s going to happen to the new Gernan rifles of the US military.
They’ll get expensive.
If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?
Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.
I fail to see how this advances America’s interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.
That’s a similar case to UK leaving the EU. They had a lot of provisions just for them - tax exempts etc. If UK decides to rejoin they will have to renegotiate the terms and EU will not want to grant them the same relief as they had in the past.
This is not going to end well for Elon Musk.
I sincerely hope not.
Who gives a shit about him. This is not going to end well for everyone.
