I’m about to start my 12 week paternity leave next week thanks to a state program and almost everyone that I’ve told has had their jaws on the floor that I would even want to do that.
Today I witnessed a group of coworkers almost bragging how little time they took after their kids were born. I’ve heard stuff like “Most men are hard working and want to support their families so they don’t take leave”.
To me it was a no brainer, I’m getting ~85% of my normal pay and I get to take care of my wife, our son and our newborn for 3 whole months. and for someone who hasn’t taken a day breathe in the past 3 years I think I deserve it.
I’m in the US so I know it’s a “strange” concept, but people have seemed genuinely upset, people it doesn’t affect at all. Again, it’s a state program available to almost anyone who’s worked in the past 2 years, I’ve talked to soon to be dads who scoffed at the idea and were happy to use a week of pto and that’s it.
I feel like I’m missing something.
First of all dont tell your coworkers shit. It almost always becomes ammo for them later.
Definitely take advantage of every state program you can. You paid for it already. People talkin shit are fuckin smoothbrained trogs
Your coworkers are fucking idiots.
I too recognize that this person’s coworkers are fucking idiots.
I three recognize that this person’s coworkers are fucking idiots.
Holy cow, that is a strange concept - I was coming back to add some of the hate you’re getting might be from affordability. Any paternity leave you can get in the US is usually vacation and unpaid. No one can afford much of that. That’s amazing that you still get an income to support taking care of your new child
I don’t know what to say to you.
In Canada we get 18 months which can be 12 maternity and 6 paternity, or a combo of say 15 and 3.
The amazing thing is that it’s amazing to such a rich country that we look after our people.
Someone else pointed out that they wouldn’t be able to survive off of 85% pay without finding gig/temp work. And I’ll admit, I’m in a fortunate enough position now that I didn’t put much thought into that 15% being detrimental. We’ll surely blow through most of our savings and that’ll hurt, but we’ll be alright.
With my first son I was working 2 jobs when he was born and we were already well behind on a lot of bills so the thought of leave didn’t ever begin to cross my mind. It does make me even more appreciative of the position we’re in now.
That math doesn’t make sense unless the mother is a stay at home mom. A lot of dads that I know who took their leave staggered it with the mom; a 15% reduction in wage is a lot cheaper than paying for child care.
This.
Would you be happier doing what those people did? I don’t think so. But they might have been happier doing it that way. You do you, you’ve earned it! Enjoy the extra time with your family, you may not get another chance like this for a long time!
12 weeks paternity leave at 85% salary? Damn, that’s sweet, even by many EU standards.
I wouldn’t think twice about taking it.
Not sure what this post is about, OP… What are you actually asking?
Paternity leave is obviously vital if you’re a decent parent and partner. If you have it available you take it and you focus on your family. Your mentioned group of coworkers sound like fucking degenerate scumbags stuck on a pointless treadmill. I feel sorry for their partners and their children.
You should take some time to consider why you didn’t have a visceral reaction of outright disgust and had to come here and ask for others to chime in. Tune in, bud. It’s all about your kids now. Don’t look for worthless approval from worthless people.
That’s some assumption, I never said I agreed with them or was looking to take their advice or gain their approval. I said all of the things people are saying in here, I offended a few people who thought I was calling them bad dads which I never directly said, but that’s their short line to draw to their own conclusion.
I more so was looking for input on the concept of paternity leave from people outside my small work circle because I thought the overwhelming hate on it was wild and for a minute felt like I was some new age radical who had just discovered the concept of taking care of your family. I knew I wasn’t, but I don’t hear much about it where I’m at so I figured I’d ask the general community.
Not assuming. I just didn’t see you express that disgust, so even the omission says something.
IMO you need a lot more passion in your response, here and IRL to colleagues. These are obviously broken people around you. You smiling and nodding and coming here to quietly discuss away from them helps perpetuate their nonsense. Alternatively, if you had a gut reaction of “Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? How are you supporting your partner if you aren’t taking that full leave? A newborn is 24/7 physical/emotional/mental gauntlet. Are you just leaving them to deal with all that, that’s horrible, man… Do better.” might have knocked some sense into them.
We break these toxic cycles by speaking to our peers with confidence and putting idiots on the spot by holding a mirror up to their childish bullshit. Sounds like you have the right position generally, I’m encouraging you to express it openly and forcefully to be a part of the change you seem to be in support of.
Pretty sure THEY are the ones missing something. They’ve been brainwashed into thinking you should be embarrassed NOT to shun your family so you can be at work 24/7 to make someone else rich. Take advantage of that program while it still exists.
It’s the typical toxic corporate pressure.
Fuck machismo.
Oregon has this and it was amazing to take 12 weeks of paternity. We can also split it up, so I did part time for like 30 weeks. Kept us from needing to find childcare until she was almost 1.
Fuck your coworkers opinions. Even the 12 weeks I got is nothing compared to my Norwegian coworkers.
My company does 16 weeks of fully paid paternity. I’m taking 9 weeks at the beginning and breaking up the rest over the year to help with this or that.
I am a little concerned as to what my job will look like when I get back especially with the political climate. But at the end of the day that isn’t what is most inorganic to me. My family is.
Absolutely take paternity. Why wouldn’t you?
I had both my kids before this existed. I would have killed to have 12 weeks paid off to be with my new family. Getting exactly zero days off when you are a new dad SUCKS.
I’m about to start my 12 week paternity leave next week thanks to a state program and almost everyone that I’ve told has had their jaws on the floor that I would even want to do that.
That’s actually getting close to the amount some of the worse countries in Europe give.
To me it was a no brainer, I’m getting ~85% of my normal pay and I get to take care of my wife, our son and our newborn for 3 whole months
The only reason I could see not to do that is if that 15% would leave finances so tight you couldn’t turn on the heating. But as you probably spend more that that on comminuting absolutely no brainer.
My company in the UK only gives 2 weeks paternity so most guys save and use all their holiday for the year to bring their total time off to 9 weeks.
That’s actually getting close to the amount some of the worse countries in Europe give.
Wrong. Statutory paternity leave in most European countries is less than a month, with a minimum of 2 weeks or 10 working days mandated by the EU. Of course companies may decide to give you more, but that highly depends on your place of work and thus is not a fair source of comparison.
Source: just came from 14 working days of pat leave and am European. My friend who works for a different company got 2 months, part of which he’s able to take at a later date (not immediately after child birth) if he so chooses.
I don’t intend to get kids but my coworkers have them once in a while.
I think you should have some. I don’t think it should be a matter of pride to not take any.
It’s a psychological defense, “I did this and it was ok and it’s the right thing to do, so everyone must do it too”. It’s like backwards logic, like, I think it’s s good idea simply because I was forced to do it and that’s the only way it makes the whole thing ok.
Also related: toxic culture of “toughen up”.
The brain works in quirky ways. There’s real studies that show that if something is higher price people attribute better characteristics to it.
I bet you’re an awesome husband and dad. If you can afford it, it’s absolutely a no brainer.
