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At least we never went socialist.
That will provide me a lot of comfort when the Fascists brutally murder me and my family for our dissent. At least they weren’t filthy socialists that tried to feed, cloth, or house anyone without condition. What a nightmare hellscape that would have been.
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I’m sensing insincerity in this statement.
Just a slight tingle, really.
any even remotely law abiding politician(read american “left” wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.
Bernie and AOC seem to be organizing.
it’s a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons
Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there’s not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.
Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " ‘you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands’ just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it’s a call to organize.
That’s where collaboration with a fundamentally oppressive system gets you.
Voter haven’t really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.
Maybe don’t expect to be saved by the party you told to fuck off, called murderers and refused to vote for. American leftists loudly played the “both sides are the same” card this past election and they’re finding out. Now suddenly you want help from the other side that’s “the same “?
Weak effort troll
American leftists don’t realize how utterly insane they have become to us leftists outside of your country. Not surprisingly, your American culture has made even the left toxic.
I can’t tell the difference in your behaviour between a maga anymore, you’re all just as. Toxic, offensive, hateful and miserable as the red hats. Anyone who criticizes you is a troll, anyone who wants to be your ally but doesn’t follow your world view 100% is “just as bad as trump”
American left went completely bonkers this past election and are now pretending they didn’t. We all saw it.
You have no idea what you are talking about. If you are commenting in good faith, you are making assumptions based off strangers online, many of which are bad faith actors working out of bot farms
By not doing anything, they are almost being complicit and hence proving the original point.
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If dems want voters to feel confident in their leadership they need confident leadership.
The democrats only care about their rich doners, or at least that’swhat their actions imply. The ones reactively paying lip service in the wake of a fascist coup are just the ones afraid of being primaried and losing their income stream from their rich doners.
interesting to look from outside, Kamala completely disappeared after losing election, that tells everything about her involvement. Compare that with Le Pen/Mélenchon in France ,who keep trying and trying and trying lol. Well not Le Pen anymore but point stands
Kamala still sends me emails asking for money, I think for the DNC. That is the problem with corporate Democrats, they think resistance looks like fundraising
Le pen is trying even harder now that she’s been made a martyr.
She’s campaigning on national tv, organizing protests, her party is calling for violence against the judiciary system, and the appeal of the court’s decision is scheduled right before the next presidential election.
She received support from: Putin, Orban, Trump, Musk, Bolsonaro, Wilders, Salvini and many other fascists.
As someone who voted for her, I’m completely on board with never seeing her or hearing from her again. She utterly failed — lost a (mostly*) free and fair election to a demented fascist idiot who’s destroying the country. Enough of the responsibility for our current situation rests on her shoulders that she can fuck right off forever, along with Biden, the Bushes, the Clintons, Mitch McConnell, Joe Lieberman, Newt Gingrich and all the other neocons, neolibs, and corrupt, amoral, greedy, misanthropic assholes that got us here.
She might survive as a politician if she took responsibility for the loss, and pushed for change in the Democratic party. Hopefully, she’ll do that, and not follow Clinton’s example. Seems unlikely.
- There was probably some amount of fuckery, but if the margins were as wide as they should have been, they couldn’t have pulled it off.
Can do the exact same thing with “progressives” that don’t vote.
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Pretty sure progressives are doing more important and constructive things than voting for genocide.
TBH it seems like bi-partisan support and voting for genocide is huge part of growing fascism.
Like what.
By implicitly voting for fascism and genocide? They gotta be tired of winning.
Good job. Your non-vote really helped.
Protest votes did not meaningfully impact the election
Its a pathetic excuse to hate fellow poor people
As I said in another thread elsewhere on the same subject a while back:
The Protest Vote Paradox™
As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:
“We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”
-Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:
Whether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
• Obnoxiously tell everyone: “We told you all what would happen!”
• Onnoxiously claim there is: “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:
- Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
- Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
- Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.
Something, something, something Ted Talk.
This is just a long-winded, inverted version of the aphorism about liberals’ paradoxical view of progressives; they’re a small, niche group, and the Democrats shouldn’t try to appease them because they’ll just alienate mainstream voters by courting this insignificant block of voters. However, progressives are somehow also a large, powerful cabal that can be blamed for every major Democratic loss.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
Name a point where I said abstaining from voting was good. My point wasn’t that protest voting was good. It was that you could make the exact opposite point (with a lot fewer words) using your exact logic. Which means it’s not a good point.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring [you mean “try paying,” maybe?] attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Again, fine, let’s make it an action thing. If the protest voters were so necessary to Harris’ election, why didn’t she take any actions to win them over? That was incredibly irresponsible of her.
Are you beginning to see how all your arguments can be flipped just as easily to place the blame on the candidate instead of the voters? Do you think maybe that’s because, even though you’ve convinced yourself that what your saying is cold, hard logic, your actually just screaming your opinions at people?
For the record, I voted for Harris out of harm reduction, and I wish she’d won. However, I believe that it is a candidates job to win an election, not the voters job to get them elected. If there was a significant contingent of voters withholding their vote, I think that candidate must have been doing a shitty job.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Yeah, it says I saw more than 2 minutes of political coverage in 2024, so I knew that Harris wasn’t getting criticism for being too progressive. Grow up.
Progressives could be the largest voting block and most still wouldn’t come out to vote. Why bother trying to gain the vote of a group that has historically low voting. There’s a reason Bernie didn’t win the primary despite massive grass roots movements.
Literally the opposite is true. People on the far-left and far-right are much more likely to vote than people in the middle.
The enemy is both weak and strong. The progressives are too small to pay attention to their requests, but cost millions of votes.
Yup, it was not lost on me that this was essentially Eco’s 8th feature of fascism. Not that the Democrats are fascists; they don’t match most of the other features, especially 6 (I don’t think it’d ever occurred to them to appeal to anyone’s frustrations), but it seems liberals have at least borrowed this rhetorical attack to punch left.
Oh progressives are definitely weak. But numerous. A simple bare minimum vote would have stopped ALL of this from happening.
But you couldn’t even do that. So yeah… weak as fuck if you ask me.
77 million voted for Trump. 75 million votes for Harris. Just under 3 million voted for a third party candidate of some kind. 90 million didn’t vote but were registered to vote. We don’t know the number of potentially eligible but not registered people there are. The US has an estimated 340 million population. An estimated 260 million are adults.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit?
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
For local elections it’s less than a fith.
The protesters were almost all young people 30 and under, which when we look at the numbers, that group didn’t vote any differently than any other election, same as always they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election in any meaningful way.
I would love it if young people voted, but they don’t.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit? I know you won’t tho, keep convincing yourself of reasons to attack your fellow slaves XD
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election
You have no argument and you’re too stupid to realize it. You also didn’t even get the statistic correct.
https://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present
Life must be hard for you.
What a good little slave.
Master will be proud.
I’m glad this troll bait crap is barely working, but it’s working a little. Come on guys, don’t be a stooge:
“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
The goal is to keep opinions we don’t want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,…
I read the thread you linked. I’m so fucking tired boss.
What do you even do in this situation? The algorithms and propaganda networks are all controlled by fascists and people don’t care. Beyond not caring, they refuse to even protect themselves from being targeted in this way - they do not value privacy nor integrity.
So what do you do? We have to figure something out.
Work to herd the resistance in line. Call out the bots, trolls, and agent provacateurs. Insult them, pile on them. Keep the focus on the true enemy, the Republicans.
Copy and post that article everywhere.
This kind of manipulation makes people more hateful and jaded. That’s bad, but the silver lining is that it can be harnessed to make them dismiss the lies that propagandists are pushing. If people see a slew of downvotes and insults on a post, they’re likely to pile on.
All well and good, we can convince them to tear down the ideas of the propagandists. How do we get them to support a positive, constructive vision of the future, you ask?
We don’t.
Unlike the GOP, Democrat politicians have the advantage of a deep bench of competent administrators. We just need to get them into power and give them time to cook (which, to be clear, Democrats have not had for an entire generation except for a few months in Obama’s first term).
Also, be aware of when these psyop bastards will come out of the woodwork and be prepared for them. I just said a positive thing about Democrats above. That means if this post gets any traction, a bunch of “leftists” will crawl out from their caves and start screeching some bullshit. It’s easier when you’re mentally prepared for it.
The only thing I can think to do is call it out when you see it like I just did. Leave one comment after someone fights with you, they’re probably a bot anyway. Did you notice that thread was 10 years old? It’s been going on a long time and they’re really good at it. I’ve been getting better at combating it too, but I still am not great. They usually only downvote me now, which I consider a win.
This is not what’s happening here. This isn’t about rendering the libs ineffective. This is real people (this one’s from Canada) trying to send the message that the standard American lib approach is ineffective. That the approach desperately needs to change for resistance to really work. And by libs, I and whoever made the meme mean most mainstream Democrat politicians and to a lesser extent voters who believe those politicians are doing everything in their power to resist fascism, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are a few good discussions in this thread on what’s going on and what could and should be happening instead.
That might be what you are trying to do, but I don’t think this meme is trying to accomplish that. All I see is people complaining, but not giving ideas on exactly what they should be doing. Then if the person actually answers or has ideas, it’s usually already being done, they just haven’t heard about it.
Or perhaps it’s a lot more people and perhaps they’re trying to shift the default mo to something that could actually work, that they can get behind. Put differently, what you are observing could be the effect of trying to whip people into following an agenda that they see as ineffective or even harmful. I for one am there. For example I cannot buy the calls to frame Booker’s performance as heroic while he voted Nay for the CR bill instead of filibustering it. This mo has to change. A lot of people have been foaming about this for years and are just tired at this point and simply resort to snark because that’s all the shit they have left to give. I used to interpret that as “trolls” or “Russian bots” splitting the focus. I understand them now.
I agree with the shift needing to happen, I don’t think complaining memes are the solution. These memes are just people with sticks and making them more despondent. What are the ideas and solutions? What are the carrots in this situation?
So you’re saying those tiny signs and completely giving in to fascism isnt resistance :0
But don’t you know this is basically like Weimar Germany and you should all vote for the SPD… Wait who helped him get into power?
I was going to upvote, but then your second paragraph erroneously blamed SPD.
The SPD was not in government when Hitler came to power. It was all the conservative parties, including the conservative-centrist coalition partner of the Nazis, the Zentrum party which is the predecessor of the modern CDU, that voted to give Hitler the dictatorial power. Only the SPD opposed that!
Speaking of Zentrum and CDU, their current leader flirted with the far-right by proposing stricter immigration policy that the neo-fascist party, AfD, gleefully wants to pass. And the modern SPD voted to oppose it! Oh how history rhymes and repeats!
Im saying they helped by actively focusing on harming groups left of it and not offering any real resistance to fascism, so yes it is a repeat. Im sure all those nay votes will matter when we’re all in a fascist hell.
Not sure what you mean by “actively focusing on harming groups left of it”. Did you mean that SPD did not want to cooperate with the German communists? The latter is just as violent and corrupt as the Nazis. Also, Thaler, the leader of the German Communist party at the time, thought that if Hitler would be allowed to power, then Hitler could be revealed how incompetent he is as a leader, and then the communists could show the Germans how better they are! And boy, how gravely he miscalculated! The Zentrum party also thought they could puppet Hitler!
Anyhow, the run up to the voting of the enabling act was mired with violence on Nazi side. Nazi thugs prevented the communists from entering to vote, while many SPD member were intimidated from coming in. Those from the SPD that managed to come in all voted nay (94 according to Wikipedia). While the rest of the conservative and right-leaning parties voted yes.
Uhg. This is why I left Reddit. Whataboutsims and strawmen. Can we talk without an argument being the first thing out of our mouth?
Yes we are at red alert, we need to be organized to fight a coup. “But don’t you know” is the phrasing Russian bots use to get us to argue with each other here??
Are the Russian bots in the room with us now?
Really, nothing pleases me more than seeing your malignant banana republic go to shit.
And you did it all on your own. The fascists and the paranoid delusional fascist lights.
Thank you, from Europe and the world. You won’t be missed.
Not pictured are the “leftists” as they’re all sitting around at home complaining about liberals.
I purchased a gun before Trump took office and have been practicing at the range, as well as encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Arm yourself and prepare, this only ends one way.
I too am a recent gun owner. I agree that preparation is necessary, but I disagree that it only ends one way. I will advocate for peaceful means of resistance until they are no longer possible. Have hope in the face of our enemies!
The enemy is fascism, and fascists are only dealt with one way. Protesting does nothing against Nazis, especially peaceful protests, it just gives them easy targets. We tried protest, negotiation, appeasement, and more when it came to Hitler and his Nazis, and only One Thing worked to get rid of them. Prepare, organize, and fight back against the fascists.
Unless your practicing in a group and developing tactics, you’re right it does only end one way.
I don’t know how many armed people are coming, but if you’re alone I do know how it ends…
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.
The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That’s the fucking point. It’s not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.
The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we’ve seen is a huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.
“As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth. In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth.”
We’ve now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn’t change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.
There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.
So I’d argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.
The problem for the bottom 90% is the perception. If you present them with a group of people who are advertised as even less valuable like immigrants, gay, black, muslim, etc they will never perceive themselves as the bottom of the barrel disposable pieces of meat. There will always be someone who will be more worthless and less human, so they will have a false sence of value.
I agree. The only solution would be for different groups of humans to understand we’re all in this together and unify under a common goal. Which is what the elites do not want.
The wealth disparity hasn’t been this high since just before the Great Depression where 34% of disposable income went to the richest 5% (not an apples to apples comparison but the closest I could find).
One of the major causes of the depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which imposed high tariffs on imported goods. Oh hey, look at those shiny new tariffs from Trump.
Another major factor was the Dust Bowl which was a widespread drought that dramatically impacted agriculture. Meanwhile 50% of the continental US has faced drought conditions since 2000.
The Stock Market Crash of 1929 was in large part due to overproduction of goods with people not having enough money to buy them. Look at all the companies throwing stock in the trash. Food, clothes, essentials all wasted while there are people who go without.
During the Depression, unemployment peaked at about 25%. (We are at 4.1% now.) Even during the height of COVID with factories and businesses shutting down, unemployment was only at 14.7%. That is the kind of suffering it takes for change and that is where our failures to learn from history are leading us.
You need to read between the lines on the 4.1% figure and how the fed actually comes to it. If you truly believe that’s an accurate representation of the economy and that 95.9% of people are happily employed in this era I have a bridge to sell you.
The TRU figure covers a broader range in terms of employment. It accounts for people who are underemployed living on poverty wages as well as unemployed. The feds report only covers people who are unemployed period. There are actually quite a lot of homeless people who are working.
"The February TRU — a measure of the functionally unemployed, defined as the jobless plus those seeking, but unable to find, full-time employment paying above poverty wages ($25,000 a year in 2024 dollars) after adjusting for inflation — rose from 23.3% to 24.6%. This increase reversed five months of progress for White workers, whose TRU climbed 1.6 percentage points (21.6% to 23.2%). Meanwhile, Hispanic workers saw a slight improvement, dropping from 28.4% to 28.1%, and Black workers experienced a more notable decline, dropping from 27.8% to 26%.
The increase in the TRU is in sharp contrast to official unemployment data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), which reported only a 0.1 percentage point increase, to 4.1%. Even the BLS’ broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for underemployed part-time workers, rose by just 0.5 percentage points. While this explains part of the jump in the TRU, it does not capture a key factor: more full-time workers fell below the poverty wage threshold last month."
Oh look, 24.6%, pretty close to the 25% you mentioned with the great depression.
Oh I absolutely agree that the 4.1% figure doesn’t represent actual economic conditions. Wide swaths of the country are underemployed and undercompensated.
What it does capture is what portion of the country has a job, no matter how shitty, occupying their time. When people have nowhere to go and nothing to do during the day, THAT is when we see real protests. People will make it their job to yell at those in power to fix things when there is nothing else taking their time. We saw that during the Covid lockdowns.
I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.
I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?
Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.
Why do you think Democrats helped to pass Trump’s budget?
The "statistics"are the number of Democratic millionaires serving in Congress and the amount of money corporate donors spend to get them elected.
About ten Democrats participated in that. I have their names written down close to my workstation and do not plan to support them. But that’s still a minority of the party, as I expressed in my post.
It’s also very possible some of those senators had less concern for the financial sector or market crash, and more concern for the possibility of shutting down the courts amid so many illegal executive orders. It’s not a great excuse, but it’s also not a self serving one.
As for millionaires: Due to inflation, the metric has shifted a bit. Some people that I directly know, that are smart and empathetic people that do what they can to help the community, are millionaires in terms of net worth. Simply owning a home in my state often puts someone in that scope. Cory Booker is est. worth $15M.
Call it a cop-out but that’s why the targeting is now on billionaires. Many millionaires know that they have more money than their basic needs, and want to make that path to success possible for others. The same likely cannot be said for very many billionaires.
So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?
Pre-Porygon episode Pokemon is a fucking trip
I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.
Multiple episodes had guns. There’s the banned Dratini episode of course, but James is literally robbing a store with an MP 40 in Squirtle Squad.
After the Porygon episode, right at the time Ash meets Blaine, TR only seems to carry generic bad-guy bazookas. Pokemon figured out what their identity was gonna be REAL fast.
LMAO WAT I didn’t realize it went that deep. I gotta rewatch this some day.
Maybe I’m crazy but that looks more like a modern assault rifle than a 1940s submachine gun.
I’d very much like to hear a mewtwo/arcaues debate on the state of the Pokemon world.
Maybe Elrond should have voted against the ring.
Libs!
Liberals.
Bougie.
RvrSrs can tel buy pookaman mime
Have they consulted the magic conch shell?
Don’t do my boy Gastly like that! Ghosts are the best!
