Yall just use Krita if you want a photoshop replacement on Linux and then stop complaining about gimp please. Krita draws circles exactly like photoshop please just use Krita and leave the gimp people alone
You are comparing Apples and Oranges
I’m a huge Krita fan! But like others I mostly use it for the drawing and painting.
How is it as an alternative to GIMP? (Which I use for simple cut and pastes and that kinda thing.) I haven’t actually been able to figure out where the wall is that says “No, use GIMP for this.”
Does GIMP maybe have better filters and layer operations and that kinda thing maybe…?
Pretty much every filter I need from PS like levels, curves, unsharp mask, blurs, etc are there and I even get all of my layer styles. If you were familiar with photoshop circa cs3 era I honestly think it’s just better, but I’m a Linux user and software engineer, not a professional graphic designer or photo manipulator
I avoided it for so long and just used photopea online instead because I thought krita was just for drawing and I don’t do that. I’m sure it’s fantastic for that but I don’t draw and was so used to photoshop I didn’t imagine it’d be basically a better version of it and written in QT, but I was pretty surprised at how it’s just that
Yeah this is a reasonable take. GIMP has its core set of users, and, even though I could be wrong about this, I suspect that they like the UI as it is. They’re not beholden to making the most generalized image editing software for Linux.
I use both.
Krita is for drawing. GIMP is for making memes.
BUT I CAN
Cool design.
That’s beautiful. Card backs?
Yeeh
Is it possible to learn this power??
Yeeh gimme a bit
Stick a pin in your mouse cable and whizz it round like a compass. Easy.
I was going to make a gif tutorial but I screwed up the recording and I’ve lost all motivation.
File, New, set resolution multiple of 1000, like 2000x2000
View, Show Grid
View, Snap to Grid
Image, Configure Grid, set pixels under Spacing to desired height, if aspect ratio is checked it will automatically adjust the width to match, like 50x50 for example
Zoom in towards center, click and drag vertical and horizontal ruler to the center using the location value on the bottom left
Create first transparent layer
Select brush tool, the big circle brush, and set size to 1000 and click at the center
Select eraser tool, set size to 960 and click center
New layer
Brush to 700, center
eraser to 670, center
New layer
brush to 60, between rings
eraser to 40, on new dot
New layer
Using brush at size 20px, click and shift click to create lines, draw a square and a right triangle in the top-left quadrant in the centermost circle by connecting points on the rim.
Select every layer, copy and paste
With new layers selected, select all
Transform, Rotate, ensure that the centerpoint is the actual center with the on screen reticle, and rotate the circle 90 degrees. Repeat process but rotate 180 degress.
Export image, you’re done.
EDIT: I guess I didn’t really explain Whitespace Utilization, you can use a white brush instead of eraser to cover the layer beneath.
Once you’re ready to export, flatten image to a single layer and then under color, color to alpha, white should already be selected
Add a new layer, white layer, move the layer to the bottom of the stack
Done
This should be done in inkscape or krita.
Nah fuckem I liek GIMP
Gimp is genuinely awful and is maybe the worst example you could have given
Leagues above whatever the fuck adobe photoshop is doing.
this is extreme coping
In the future maybe they’ll reduce it down to one button and force you to yell your intentions into a USB microphone that costs $23.99 a month to rent and needs 20 minutes of downtime to update every few days and bricks itself if there is no internet connection.
and it’d still work better than gimp lmao
this is extreme coping
I get where you’re coming from, but maybe you haven’t heard the news! GIMP 3.0 just got released in March including an overhaul of the UI. While I haven’t checked it out myself, reviewers are saying it’s now really good.
Spoiler alert: It’s way better than it was, but it’s still not very good.
The only thing awful about GIMP is its name.
At least the name gives you a really good idea of the philosophy driving their UX…
edit: no hang on I meant “the people that choose the name also define the project’s philosophy”
Industry standard or monopoly.
photoshop has got problems, but gimp and krita have the sort of problems that i never had using PS. like, completely missing functions and tools that are standard in PS. maybe there’s an extension, maybe there isn’t, and troubleshooting is time and energy spent when i have little to spare on making art or whatever
Tried Serif Affinity? Photoshop is great mate but it’s not worth that cash.
Does it work in Linux?
It’s too bad that Affinity doesn’t see that there is a market for professional graphics software in Linux.
Unfortunately, they probably look at the desktop market share of Linux and decided it’s not worth spending time or money on. Definitely a chicken and egg situation.
I’m not paying for it, my boss is
Your boss is also paying for time spent troubleshooting, which is why industry standards are a thing. People can help each other out, common issues only have to be solved once and the general pool of issues is smaller.
I work with 12 artists who all use maya. There’s enough troubleshooting to do on just that. Having some of them use blender, others modo, etc would be a nightmare.
I can guarantee you not one person in our company is concerned with Adobe’s stock price, yet everyone is on Creative Cloud. Industry standards are the logical result of groups of people trying to get shit done, not some clandestine conspiracy to increase Adobe’s profits.
Wait, you can’t make circles in GIMP? This has to be false. If my memory serves me well, I remember using GIMP for a school project back in the day and I’m pretty sure it could make circle.
You can, it’s just not as simple as click on circle shape maker. You have to make a circle with the circle selection tool than turn it into a path. It’s only difficult when you’re first figuring it out. Once you do, it’s not a big deal.
It’s only difficult when you’re first figuring it out. Once you do, it’s not a big deal.
I’ve been using Photoshop and Gimp a lot over the last decade. There are a few things I like better in Photoshop and nothing I really like more in Gimp, but they’re both absolutely serviceable.
I wish content-aware patch came by default in Gimp and I wish Gimp had more user-friendly macroing, but if I’m drawing circles in my photo editor, my first thought is why the hell am I not using a vector editor.
It doesn’t have basic shape tools. You have to fill a selection
It’s not a standard until there’s an ISO, RFC, IEEE or IEC number to go with it.
Or ABNT or DIN or (…)
We should make just one more standards agency! To include all the standards for everything!
W3C
It feels like your making a semantic argument to downplay how tight grip these softwares have on their respective industry markets.
If you are only ever considered for a job if you have Photoshop experience, and that is the normal treatment across the majority of the industry, that’s a standard that the industry is now holding you to - an industry standard if you will. It does not need to be backed by a governing body for it to still count.
My current understanding is that you will not get a job at a major CGI company by knowing Blender (though the film ‘Flow’ shows that might change going forward). You have to know softwares like Houdini, 3ds Max, Maya, etc…, if you want to be treated seriously.
dude if your ui is unusable you’re gonna hear about it.
you can’t make an open source car that has two joysticks instead of a steering wheel and talk about industry standards and vendor lock ins when people say it sucks.
I mean it’s cool that it exists for non drivers who sometimes want to jump on an open source car for a quick trip but if driving is your job then the joysticks being technically functional won’t cut it.
that doesn’t mean you have to copy everything 1:1, if people are looking for alternatives one reason might be that not everything about the standard car is great. affinity has some great differences in tools but they’re designed in a way that makes sense to pro users.
I’ve said this before but there’s a severe lack of designers in the open source space. there should be a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git or whatever the fuck.
Git is what is used for software development. It isn’t crazy hard to learn and is fairly simple to work with.
git is fine. girhub sucks ass and if a I am ever directed to it then that project is dead to me.
ok then tell me how I can fix GIMP’s UI without coding.
submit a feature request
thanks, the UI is better now
which feature request is yours?
the one you recommended
You don’t
The problem is even if a designer contributes (say they open an issue with design feedback or even wireframes and such) developers seldom see as much value in a redesign as there is in working on features they care about, because open source is driven by developers making apps that they would use firstly.
that’s fine but there should be less defensiveness about people criticizing the design then
Open source software design sucks because they don’t have desginers (who know git) because they can’t attract designers (who know git) because they don’t have money (free and open source) because they don’t have big userbase (which can lead to more people donating) because oss software design sucks.
Downsides for sure, but it does work.
a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git
Reading this made me a bit sad.
On the one hand, I understand how tools like this could be a hurdle for someone who isn’t heavily invested in their use. And on the other, as someone who has tinkered with open source projects, I know that as hurdles go, git is the first of very many hurdles that must be cleared when contributing to a large, mature GUI program like this, and it’s a pretty low one at that.It would be great if more people could contribute to and help develop open-source versions of tools they themselves use, but I can certainly see how tough it can be starting out
Not low at all. After you contribute the maintainer be like “can you rebase it all to one commit”
And then you end up force pushing and ping 4000 people
Or you accidentally close your pull request
If no conflict, GitHub has a button to squash all commits in a pull request.
I loved my Ricochet RC car that drove with twin sticks…
I would totally drive an actual car that handled that way!
I knew someone would make this comment but that’s kind of the point. rc cars are toys after all, and it’s fine as a hobby but if professional driving would be better with twin sticks I feel like motorsports would have already adopted it.
I’ve driven mowers with twin sticks, and there’s heavy equipment that uses that control system as well. Gives you more precise movements and a 0° turn radius.
As someone who enjoys off-road adventures, I think a little twin stick rock crawler ATV would be an absolute blast to ride around on.
Have I got a D9 Cat waiting for you! Drive with those twin brake levers 10 to 14 hours a day! You will get to dig ditches and level whole mountains!
Edit to add: And drink Red Bull and eat Honey Buns while doing it too!
Honestly just copying everything from 10 years ago 1:1 would be an improvement on most big applications.
I think there’s been lots of improvements to various small things to make that accurate. but adobe does love to regress in lots of different little ways as well.
I need to muster the energy to make a video about the affinity lineup. they have a number of new tools and features that didn’t exist before but are certainly improvements.
Not only a lack of designers, but the very concept of them is held in contempt among way too many in the open-source world (like this thread even).
here should be a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git or whatever the fuck.
Make it then.
Do you know how difficult it is to make software that runs, let alone runs well? Do you know how difficult it is to stay on top of the constant messages, issues, PRs, and just churn that comes alone when that particular software gets popular? And on top of that devs are supposed to be design gods too?
If you think you have the solution: build it. Be a part of the solution. The developers of GIMP can’t do everything.
that’s not what they were saying.
They were saying there wish there was a way for designers to contribute. Git is a pain in the ass. lets be real. Important, but a pain. Its a bad UI.
Design isn’t the same as code, so the same process and repos aren’t necessarily going to help. that’s all they didn’t say anything insulting. Only that they wish there was a away for designers to contribute. Why is that hurting peoples feelings?
genius reply. i love that in the same comment where you say devs can’t be design gods you say designers should make an entire software platform.
and no, they’re not supposed to be design gods, which is why I said there should be a platform that enables designers to contribute, which would take the burden off the devs. words must be hard.
I know very little about GIMP or other OS design software, but does this software have a plugin system that designers could use to extend the software so they can use it how they want?
That would be another thing to look intoSo, benefit of the doubt time.
That’s some mental gymnastics in there but let’s see if we can get it.
So the reply isn’t actually suggesting you create the platform for designers, they are pointing out that there is a lot more to competent platform/software design than it seems, so try it yourself and find out.
If it turns out you do in fact have the answers, great, we now have the platform you described.
Chances are you’ll find out just how difficult it is to do what you are suggesting and realise that implying someone could “just” create a platform for designers isn’t particularly realistic.
so the comment is about how I might not realize that creating such a platform is hard when my comment says I don’t even understand how git works. weird. nowhere in the history of language has “there should be such a thing” meant or even implied “making such a thing is easy”, if anything it implies the opposite.
nowhere in the history of language has “there should be such a thing” meant or even implied “making such a thing is easy”
I know its hyperbole but you can’t possible back that statement up.
if anything it implies the opposite.
It doesn’t, but i agree it didn’t really imply the difficulty was high either.
I wasn’t saying the reply was correct, i was stating the intended meaning (at least as i see it).
To answer to your original post, design platforms with version control exist.
Some use git under the hood, some don’t, most don’t require you to understand git to use them.
Hopefully that saves you some time as now you don’t have to build the platform from scratch.
Alright making this really simple.
These are the interpretations of you and your words:
- you are a dev
- you think GIMP’s design is shit
- you think GIMP devs should be better at design and are worth shitting on
- you purport to have a solution
My words:
- stop shitting on devs for design
- build the solution you purport to have
Nowhere do I say “designers should write code”.
Are we on the same page now?
They’d didn’t say they were a dev so your whole analysis is off.
that’s a bad interpretation.
- no I’m a designer, which is why I’m talking about design
- yes it is
- no, devs are devs and designers are designers. I think it would be nice for designers to have more opportunity to contribute to open source projects
- having a solution is a bit generous. I just said having an easy to use platform for designers would make open source projects more approachable.
and to your words:
- I’m shitting on the design, not the devs. stop personalizing criticism it’s a terrible way to live and work.
- if I could I would
Nowhere do I say “designers should write code”.
except for literally the very previous sentence. of course you don’t realize that because you somehow assumed I’m a dev despite my comments being entirely about design and even implying that I don’t even know how the fuck git works
Are we on the same page now?
clearly not
dude it’s not my fault you’re on an entirely different book, let alone the same page
If we can’t criticize because we can’t make it, might as well shut up for life.
There’s constructive criticism and then there’s just yapping.
“Ermagerd GIMP devs are so shit at design” = yapping
“Just build a platform for designers” = supposed solution + it’s so easy, people are stupid for not having built this yet = yapping
Had it been, something like
I’m not a fan of GIMP’s design. It would be cool if had a way to help them. Maybe a platform to connect devs and designers? It could work like …
That would’ve been a completely different discussion.
I feel like they gave good reasons as to what the problem is and why it exists, and potentially how to solve it (making git easier to use, which I’m all for, or use something else)
You’re the only one insulting the project/devs. They were really respectful in their comment. You’re just misquoting them and making them say something they didn’t.
You’re just too entitled. Some opinions can be direct and harsh, and still be valid and constructive criticism. Grow some thick skin and get over it.
“Just build a platform for designers”
did it feel weird when you emphasized a word that I specifically didn’t say in your quote? there’s strawman, and there’s straight up lying. and your suggestion for how I should have worded it is pretty much what I said. it’s so funny, is the issue that I didn’t use enough uwus and 👉👈 emojis? lol.
Legendary comment, my friend!
Vendor lock in is the reason I went to a fully open source workflow like fifteen years ago. When you rely on these companies for tools, they own your work. They can jack up prices, change TOS whenever they want, paywall features, train AIs on your work, and jerk you around on a chain at their whim. I don’t mind a little jank or having to do some workarounds for a certain result to keep my freedom. And also, when a new release comes out that fixes an issue ive been having, I feel grateful! In the closed ecosystem you feel entitled and resentful and powerless. It’s not worth it.
I’m most of the way there except jet brains… I just don’t have it in me to spend the years it’ll take to become as familiar with a different tool.
My experience with Jetbrains was that they did not rely on vendor lock-in, but on actually making a product worth paying for. I could move my projects away from their suite easily, the build tools and scripts where all third-party open-source. I just didn’t want to.
But perhaps things are different in other spaces. I can imagine using Kotlin might lock you in more.
We have ISO standards. Fuck every single company that ignores those (Microsoft, Apple, …).
And fuck ISO for charging so much for access to them.
As an engineer: 1000% agree.
Seriously, why do I have to pay a value somewhere close to £1000 for a set of FUCKING PDFs?!?
This is ridiculous. Make money from audits, certifications, training, and conferences. You can still make absolute stacks from those. Why the fuck do I or my company need to shell out thousands just so we know what to certify against to be able to sell stuff?!
It’s a fucking racquet and they know it. But it’s either one of 3 options:
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Find someone who’s willing to send you the PDF or log in credentials for a library service that has access to these standards.
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Take the risk downloading PDFs from dodgy sites you found on the 5th page of duckduckgo.
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Bend over and spread open your wallet. Because good luck getting anything delivered to a customer without it.
Why is there not a Libgen or sci hub for these?
There should be a libgen, sci-hub, internet archive, and a massive torrent of ISO standards. Standards aren’t great if they are gate kept by money. Now someone will reinvent it without a profit motive, and there’s 2 standards.
Around here most companies just have subscriptions or get to them through university libraries. It is still annoying, I aggree. It is funnier once you realize that they completly rely on free work as well.
That said, standards are imo one of the greatest t achievements of humanity. And if you’ll ever be involved in that process, you’ll quickly see why this whole thing is expensive.
If you don’t want to pay that much, don’t curse at ISO, put pressure on your government to provide it for free. Imo well invested tax money.
My personal main problem is that companies sometimes infiltrate the process.
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You can make circles in Krita
It’s possible in Ligma, too.
what is ligma
Ligma is a top class ux mock up and raster editor with a wide array of features. Current version is Ligma.84115
wait actually? 💀💀
Look at the version number
ligma balls
Ligma balls ha ha ha (gets fired)
Seriously, Ligma’s one of the most unfortunate names for a professional product since Cockroach Database or Coq.
Wait they took the ellipse tool?
What?
Click brush, move mouse in a circle
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Vendor lock-in is bad and Adobe’s business practices are bad, no matter how you cook it. There are so many viable alternatives to Adobe stuff.
Problem is, Photoshop power users don’t often want to hear about any alternatives. GIMP is just one of the most popular culprits in this regard. That’s exactly the kind of mindset that the vendor lock-in creates.
I’m kind of happy that I stuck with GIMP when I was younger. Now, I have absolutely no fear of trying out any software that comes my way. I do most of my photo work in Affinity Photo. Don’t have problems with GIMP either, use it for some other stuff.
The only way to get people to switch from Adobe is to wait for Adobe to make the life unbearable for their own customers. Some time ago there was a huge movement for people to switch from Premiere to DaVinci Resolve because Premiere really is pretty horrible these days.
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The only way to get people to switch from Adobe is to wait for Adobe to make the life unbearable for their own customers
Completely agree with this! The big opportunities to get mindshare will come completely out of the blue, and likely as a result of massive blunders on Adobe’s side.
We never know when the blunders will come, we just have to be ready and provide the next best user experience so that the free software is the “obvious” place to switch to.
As we saw from the twitter/reddit migrations, the fediverse did get a large amount of traction, but bluesky became the obvious alternative because its UI was basically the same.
And that’s fine - the fediverse is it’s own thing and many people (myself included) don’t want “adoption at all costs” - but I think it’s worth pointing out that it does hinder adoption in these big moments.
I have a lot of respect for free software projects that deliberately replicate the UI of an existing proprietary project. They make it so easy to recommend for people to switch when those moments come.
What I have seen is that once people get a taste of free software that really easily solves their problem, it makes the benefits “real” to them and they start to look for other alternatives on their own.
I don’t do graphic design and only use GIMP for making memes. Could you give a few pointers, why GIMP is not usable compared to photoshop?
there was a case to be made in the past [nondestructive editing, cmyk etc], but as of 3.0(.2) the divide is steadily narrowing
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If you wanted to give counterexamples to your point, you couldn’t come up with a better one.
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So far hundreds of people are saying exactly what you do. “It’s just better, OK, shut up, I will not elaborate”.
And yeah, obviously, it’s not your job to do anything for an anonymous commenter on the internet, but you have spent the same amount of time telling us that you don’t want to provide examples, than you could just giving us two or three, and that’s not not saying something.
I doubt that to be a serious concern for companies. Especially with how marketing regularly revolves around sexualizing their messages and how things like hostesses are a thing at many trade-fairs. The CEO of NVIDIA signed a boob ffs.
Also the only time i came across the term gimp was in Pulp Fiction. If it wasn’t for that movie i wouldn’t know that it has something to do with BDSM.
But really, what are things why GIMP is rationally not suitable for industry work? Is it a lack of certain features? Is it performance? Is it an impossible to learn UI? Because in your other reply all i read was that people who are used to PS just stick with it, because that is what they are used to. Which then brings us to exactly what the meme is criticizing.
And at the monthly pricing of Adobe that switching costs only justify themselves for so long. Also a friend of mine who does photo and video stuff for weddings and events as a side-gig has been furious how having to have Win11 to use Adobe cost him 5k because his old computer was not compatible anymore.
So i am curious to understand, if there is rational reasons, why taking the shit from Adobe is worth it. Of course if certain standard workflows take 1 minute in PS and 2 minutes in GIMP that adds up over a full time job. On the other hand if professional users were to support the open source development, these issues could be addressed, creating value for everyone except Adobe.
Damn this might be the fakest reason I’ve ever heard to not support GIMP
Docker Engine, without the Docker Desktop licensing and VM overhead
Docker is a great example because podman basically is a drop in replacement.
