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From now on you must view all of their words and actions through the lens of a fascist dictatorship. This is almost certainly propaganda intended to increase fear of Chinese supremacy and using that fear as an excuse to invade Panama.
I hard doubt the US doesn’t have classified hypersonic missile tech, and even if they don’t, this admin won’t stop maintaining, building, or deploying these “vulnerable” billion dollar aircraft carriers. Everything conservatives and DOGE cut is everything that benefits the working class, and increases their quality of life and economic mobility. They never cut anything that enables their authoritarian capabilities.
I hard doubt the US doesn’t have classified hypersonic missile tech…
The HACM (Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile) is already out there.
Don’t forget how they were able to slap a basically poor-only tax with their tariff bullshit.
I mean, carriers in this modern age probably are mostly sitting ducks against any modern adversary. They could barely take on Yemen.
If your adversary has satellites that can tell them where you are and a sufficient amount of missiles / torpedoes, there’s only so much you can do.
This is absolutely true. Carriers are very vulnerable to advanced anti-ship missiles. But people with staunch political views have alternative truths they prefer to see propagated, so you’ve been punished.
Propaganda can be true sometimes. That the cutting edge of missile tech has been well ahead of the cutting edge of missile defense has been an open secret for at least a decade. It might not be as fast as twenty minutes, but the truth is there is nothing that anybody can do about the most advanced missiles being made today apart from hoping that they miss. The problem with carriers is that they are big, slow targets. Every carrier has this problem, not just the US fleet.
Weren’t there some wargames a few decades ago where some group playing the “terrorists” sank a US carrier with nothing but a few speedboats and some RPGs or something similar? I am thinking of the one where they “rolled back” the wargame. It has been quite a while since I read that so I don’t remember all the details.
I remember reading that as well, but I recall CWIS wasn’t turned on for some reason.
Wasn’t turned on because the fleet was forced to stay too close to shore and commercial shipping lanes by the exercise.
Ripper declared his speedboats were armed with anti ship missiles. Which were bigger than the speedboats.
You are thinking of this:
Millennium Challenge 2002. That was a boondoggle. Yes the opposing force won and they had to reset the game but the OPFOR was up to some ridiculous shenanigans. For instance instead of using radios, which could be intercepted and tracked, they used motorcycles to convey messages…motorcycles that could travel at the speed of light.
Another piece of silliness is that there were commercial vessels (non-combatants) on the virtual water but OPFOR sometimes used them in ways that were impossible. As an example radar would return a 12 foot fishing boat and then that boat would launch four 20 foot long anti-ship missiles.
Then there’s whole idea of a CBG just hanging around shore for days on end staying inside a pre-determined box so that OPFOR always knew their location, something that almost certainly not happen in an IRL conflict.
The Commander of the Opposing Force was extremely clever but they needed a long list of nearly impossible to achieve advantages to make it work.
there is nothing that anybody can do about the most advanced missiles being made today apart from hoping that they miss
You can help them miss. If they’re using GPS navigation, jamming works. It then reverts to inertial navigation though, so the longer you jam - the bigger the error.
Or you could try shooting it down, I doubt they can even dodge a head-on intercept without losing a load of energy.
edit: btw the problem you’re describing is why cbg is a thing
I’ve heard bullshit before. This sounds exactly like that
To be fair, he was completely hammered when he said that and doesn’t remember it at all.
This article’s been here for almost an hour, are the aircraft carriers still okay?
Why does this feel like they want to throw even more money at the military industrial complex?
Exactly - they can’t use Russia’s military strength as the boogie-man any longer.
It’s fine. They’ll just find more fraud waste and abuse
I just imagine that almost all large military vehicles are sitting ducks to drones and such. Just look at Ukraine vs. Russia’s navy.
Not a great comparison when you consider Russia’s navy hasn’t improved much from the Cold War days. Their tech is old.
The problem with USVs is they’re relatively slow, if a ship is aware of their presence and is in a fighting state - it can get rid of a bunch of them. And it seems that navy helicopters are a decent counter, but overall it’s too early to tell if USVs are that good or was it the element of surprise.
Someone should tell interestingengineering.com who Pete Hegseth is because obviously they haven’t been paying attention for the last few months.
Well, since it is basic military doctrine that you should never field a unit that you can’t afford to lose, and the billions in $ losses and thousands of sailor lives means we can’t afford to lose a carrier, this suggests that carriers are now obsolete and should be retired.
Nah its just that they need longer ranged hypersonic missiles themselves but have been failing, so yeah China has a huge lead now.
US just needs new missiles and new missile destroyers to join th carrier group.
“We need to enslave and control the population to survive against a perceived or projected foreign enemy.” Translation from Trump cabinet language to English.
Why would they bother when Trump is going to sink the whole country?
Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake.
and that is putins plan essentially, needs USA out of the way so russia can reclaim former soviet states.
Hypersonic missiles could destroy every major city in the US in 20 minutes. Just have to put a nuclear warhead in them. The US is deploying hypersonic missiles too. This doesn’t change anything except that in the case of Armageddon we will have half as much time to find someone to bang before we die.
That would be shocking if true. The US takes its naval defences very seriously
against hypersonic missile (speed mach 5 to mach 25), good luck to spot it and try to destroy it before it reaches you
Should be pretty easy to spot, those nose cones will be glowing in the atmosphere like rudolfs nose
Most claimed “hypersonic” missiles can’t actually manoeuvre at those speeds so you can spot them at distance and work out where you need to send an interceptor missile. We saw this with Patriot batteries vs Kinzhal in Ukraine.
During some war games a few years ago, the Dutch Navy managed to score a hit against a US Navy carrier using a diesel sub.
Like someone else said here, carriers are big, slow targets, it’s not impossible for something to sneak past and sink them.
Not in anyway an expert on matters naval, but diesel subs are pretty quiet running on electric motors. Nuclear reactors make more noise.
Feel free to correct me.
Point is, they’re big, impossible to hide from anyone that has satellites, and you just need to get a lucky hit with a relatively cheap missile/torpedo to give the other side a multi-billion dollar loss in one go.
Carriers are actually some of the fastest ships out there because of nuclear propulsion.
Diesel subs are also different kinds of beasts. They’re terrible for international conflict, but for short range operations, they’re silent. You can turn off a diesel engine, but not a nuclear reactor.
Has anyone tried making a reactor that can be turned off? Seems like an easy upgrade to make them silent in the short term.
I’d imagine it’s not doable because of how quickly they’d develop insane amounts of heat.
It was impressive but it happened in 1999. The Dutch Captain said that he doubted he could do it again and indeed a different Dutch Submarine failed at it the next year.
Carriers are considerable faster (30 Knots) than Diesel Subs (20 Knots) too, something the Dutch Captain touches on in that article.
Well in my mind few years ago was 1999…
Seriously though I thought this only happened within the last 10 years, TIL.
Please do it.
Hegseth himself is a bigger threat to the US than China will ever be.
China watching the Houthis fail to hit a single ship with a 30 missile salvo:
Even with supersonic anti ship missiles, successfully attacking the US navy is notoriously difficult, to the point that they’ve actually averted invading Taiwan unless some golden opportunity falls into their lap.
