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      Only if you care about the constitution, freedom, and/or democracy. It’s very clear MAGA does not care about any of that so here we are.

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    So I occasionally check the Fox News site just to see what the idiot commenters say because I find it sad yet entertaining…anyway for the article that was posted about htis issue several people were like “this is a good thing, because sepration of church and state isn’t in teh constitution” like bruh have you read the constiutuion? It’s literally stated in teh first amendment xD

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    well he does also want to become pope. maybe he wants to multi class but what we really wish is if he dual classed.

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              The main difference between Christianity and atheism is that atheism is no organised movement. We don’t have a pope (no matter what Christians say about us, I don’t follow any of the so called “leaders” of the atheist movement like richard dawkins and his positions on the trans right movement for instance) and we don’t have a centralised structure, we simply don’t believe in ANY god.

              On the other hand there is Christianity and all organised religions which, as the name suggests, are ORGANISED around a central set of dogmas which are intended to be accepted as gospel by all their members. If you’re part of one of such religions you implicitly accept all their teachings as true and you support their message and actions. If you don’t want to be lump in with all other cultists following these directions please remove yourself from this specific group or shut the hell up.

              Thank you for coming to my ted talk, I’ll be here as long as needed

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              No, we’re describing a religion and what its followers behave like. Atheism isn’t a religion or a group. It’s a choice to refrain from belief in a god. Christianity has churches, pastors, and now presidents who lead their followers into morally reprehensible behavior. One is rotten fruit, the other is rejecting rotten fruit. It’s not the same.

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                  I said nothing about you as a person. My criticism is of your religion. If you’re taking it personally, that’s on your own conscience, and perhaps something you should reflect on.

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                  A good person doesn’t support their religion when their religion is creating fascism in their country.

                  A good person stands up and says to trump: Despite my beliefs, I denounce what you are saying and cast you out of my religion you heathen.

                  But this is not what we are seeing, is it? You are against trump, I assume, yet you still defend religion before you fight fascism. Maybe ask yourself why that is.

                  Good luck defending what trump does in the name of religion.

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          Calling out Christians on their bullshit support of a fascist criminal that completely disrespects all of the values of their religion isn’t helpful?

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            @Inanimate_Carbon_Rod obviously doesn’t support that fascist. We need all the allies we can get, and you’re pushing them away.

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                That’s whats great about spirituality, no one person can say what you believe other than you. Similarly, Christianity doesn’t have a single voice of authority.

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                  We’re not talking about spirituality. I’m spiritual. We’re talking about organized religion, that has an awfully genocidal and hateful track record, with one halfway decent prophet who said some nice things, and also some completely incoherent things about being one with the hateful God of this religion.

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        Christ, if he was at all like his stories, was a pretty cool guy.

        Shame Christianity co-opted his name.

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          Yeah, that’s why I said the religion is rotten. If I say an apple is rotten, people don’t usually respond by saying “Yeah but it came from a cool tree”.

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      The separation of church and state protects the church from the state at least as much as the state from the church. Christians should fear a “Christian” state.

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        This. All the Christians that support a theocracy need to stop and realise that there’s no guarantee that their particular denomination is going to be the one running said theocracy. The whole concept of freedom of religion depends on the separation of church and state.

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    All of this is spelled out in project 2025. If you want to know what’s coming next, just look at their website.

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      I’ve been warning people about the setup to martial law. That’s the final step of project 2025 that officially and completely destroys democracy. There will be no going back and no voting in the future. I keep being called an alarmist, but I was called an alarmist in late 2015 when he announced his run. It’s also perfectly spelled out and they’ve been doing every project 2025 has step by step.

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      Just wait until they start banning porn. It’s already started in some states tbh.

      Canada almost had the same thing happen, but thankfully Poilievre didn’t win PM, and even lost his seat too as a bonus.

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          What’s the rationale behind this? Is it just pandering to religious freaks, or something else?

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            Is it just pandering to religious freaks,

            That and increasing their authorization grip on society.

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            My guess is that it’s a step towards banning anything considered “sexual” or “deviant.” I.e., anything to do with LGBTQ people, sex ed, educating women about their bodies and rights, etc. Anything that the white patriarchy dislikes while also making it easier to subjugate the population through ignorance and propaganda.

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              My guess is that it’s a step towards banning anything considered “sexual” or “deviant.”

              Which is just a step toward banning anything that doesn’t “glorify our dear leader.”

            • Which leads to uninformed teenagers becoming pregnant, being forced to carry the child, and being stuck in poverty and ignorance for the rest of their lives as a result. This gives us uneducated workers and soldiers.

              Every live baby is a potential dead soldier. And the more education is destroyed the more popular that path will be.

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          He’s in an intra-party dust up with Doug Ford, brother of the infamous crack smoking Toronto Mayor.

          So its possible we’ll get a porn ban if Poilievre comes out ahead. But we could alternatively get pole dancing as an elective and weed in the school cafeterias.

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    Like we should listen to this asshole.

    Yeah, let’s just ignore the First fucking Amendment and basically any freedom that actually matters. Go fuck yourself.

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    I wonder if any of the dumbasses that are still supporting donvict yet understand what this would mean?

    Log Cabin twats like Peter Thiel? These motherfuckers will come for YOU eventually, Einstein. Same for the likes of Tammy Bruce - an openly gay lesbian won’t be in a position of leadership, what kind of gawdly message is that going to send? The Libertarian dumbfuck techbros still underwriting this shit, that are also hard atheist? You too, motherfuckers! Fast talking fools like Ben Shapiro and Stephen Miller? You guys are Jewish! Are you kidding?

    The loudmouth uppity women like Beetlebert and Marjorie Trailer Queen and Kristi “dog murderer” Noem and Karoline Leavitt? You too - the Babble bangers won’t be having YOU ruling over men, what are you even thinking? Best you can hope for is marrying some powerful man that keeps a roof over your head while he bangs some younger handmaidens to raise a crop of kids with his superior genes.

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    It’s incredible that the U.S. is having this discussion again. What’s the point—bringing creationism back to schools or stoning prostitutes?

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      GOP politics and agenda are all about control. And religion historically has always been a means of control. Add a more aggressive form of indoctrination instead of education in schools so that you have young people just smart enough to profitable but brainwashed into not being free thinkers who go tribal against anyone against their tribe. Once you have people replacing morality with religion you can alter that religion to match what ever you want as a means of control.

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      The Christian Right wants to make Christianity supreme and use it as the basis to take away rights of minorities including Muslims and LGBT. They want this as cover to take away sex ed and ban pornography and rap music and a long list of other stuff. Project 2025 laid it out pretty explicitly.

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        Watch some of the people they interview in The God Who Wasn’t There. One of the guys thinks you should be able to execute homosexuals. Just casually talks about it and you realize how the people that talked about the Nazis and the banality of evil, you are watching it.

        Old-ish movie now, but if someone wants to get an idea of what we are dealing with, the interviews with some of the xtians are off the chart…if you don’t talk to xtians much, or live in a different country, or live in a more metro area that is not filled with this kind of delusion, this might be the first time someone comes across this kind of thing.

        Trailer:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI

        Full thing:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZrjLLx-aKc

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      The point is replacing a somewhat transparent legal system with an arbitrary mess which makes everyone that isn’t exactly on the politically desired line feel uneasy all the time due to uncertainty of state actions.

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        • Cruisin’ down the center of a two way street
        • Wonderin’ who is really in the driver’s seat
        • Mindin’ my business along comes big brother
        • Says, “Son, you better get on one side or the other.
        • I’m out on the border, I’m walkin’ the line
        • Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
        • I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine.
        • After a hard day, I’m safe at home
        • Foolin’ with my baby on the telephone
        • Out of nowhere somebody cuts in
        • Says, “Hmm, you in some trouble boy, we know where you’ve been.”
        • I’m out on the border
        • I thought this was a private line
        • Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
        • I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine
        • Never mind your name, just give us your number
        • Never mind your face, just show us your card
        • And we wanna know whose wing are you under
        • You better step to the right or we can make it hard
        • I’m stuck on the border
        • All I wanted was some peace of mind
        • Don’t you tell me 'bout your law and order
        • I’m try’n’ to change this water to wine
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    I am a religious person even and this is insane. Do these people not read the Good Book? Trump is clearly the antichrist. And still all these chodes have… simp-pathy for the devil (because they simp so hard. I tried really hard to make that joke work this is the best I can do.)