Don’t forget the healthy dose of salary and humane treatment.
Want happier employees?
No. American corporations absolutely do not care about how happy their employees are. They only care about maximizing profits, and the best way to do that is to squeeze as much productivity out of their workers while also paying those workers as little as possible.
They know the workers aren’t there to find fucking happiness. Few are so privileged. Most people go to work not because it makes them happy, but because they need the god damn money, to keep a roof over their head and to put food on the dinner table, and as everything gets more expensive, the workers need more and more money, to stave off homelessness and destitution. Happiness, Jesus Christ. What a luxury!
The purpose of capitalism isn’t to make people happy. It’s to make profit for owners. That’s it.
It’s not even about max productivity, as it’s well established over long run you get better productivity in many jobs working 4 days and better vacation etc, the suffering is literally the point for many of these fucks. Whether they admit this outright or not
It’s hard to explain, but I have a hard time believing it’s just sadism. Maybe it has to do with the productivity gains from a four day work week taking time to realize. Like you said, over the long run you get better productivity, but maybe the corporations are just more interested in short term profits.
Lol. This country just voted to move in the opposite direction of this. We voted for less worker rights. Less power for the average person.
At this point, we’ll need to start utilizing our 2nd amendment right if we want to get anything better than what we have. People died to give us the 40 hour work week. Looks like that’s going to have to happen again for any further improvements.
Smarter countries did it without the bloodshed. America isn’t that smart.
My dipshit coworkers think trump will actually be good for unions. Mfers.
I’d like to add that 32 hour weeks is pretty much purely something that works for white collar work. It’s considerably harder to implement in blue collar settings.
It’s not, really. It would be easy to implement at any company that makes a decent profit margin. Productivity goes up with shorter working hours, anyway.
Productivity goes up with shorter working hours, anyway.
That is pretty much entirely untrue with blue collar jobs. I’m working from the start to the end of my shift—working less or more hours as I do depending on the season doesn’t change that. Pace stays about the same.
It would be easy to implement at any company that makes a decent profit margin.
Slower production isn’t just about profit margins–it’s also about fulfilling your customers needs
The mental gymnastics required to believe that hurt my brain.
My dipshit coworkers think trump will actually be good for unions. Mfers.
Are y’all in a union? If so, you should see if you and your friends could maybe schedule an appointment with an organizer at your Local, who might be able to walk these chuds through it.
We are already unionized, which tbh makes it worse.
It’s part of my position as union stewards duty to walk these chuds through it
Bummer…
Is the reason it wont work in blue collar settings that it’ll inflate prices of stuff too high? Possible making the country fall back in a global stance on pricing on exports, etc (not competitive)?
Only other reason I can see is if they need people at the workplace 24/7, but they usually hire more people to make that schedule work (which in return ig increases prices of whatever they are producing).
Not “won’t work”. Considerably harder. Big difference. There’s companies who have successfully implemented it in blue collar jobs.
But more put simple, it’s that unlike white collar, output has a direct relationship with how many hours are worked, up to probably nearly 50, more or less depending on the job.
So, in practice it turned out that slower service was one of the largest problems with it.
Half of the benefit issue costs would go away with universal healthcare anyways.
Sure you can get more employees, but people who work don’t magically appear
'preciate the edumacation. Definitely sounds like a harder problem to solve, good point on the universal healthcare, I’m sure that could save some money for companies, it’ll make employees happie regardless to not have to worry about paying doctor bills.
Not true. The electricians in my area work 7 hour days and the sheet metal workers get every other Friday off.I know machinists who work 3 12s.
Wait,you guys don’t get that? Shit I’m.here in Northern Ireland and that would be less than standard. That’s what we give teenagers,hell,most teens would not take that deal. When did America start treating the worker so bad? Like 1865?
America was built on treating the worker badly. Most of the first people that came here were either slaves or indentured servants. Chinese people got exploited to build the railroads, and then banned from being citizens in the country. Now we have prison slavery and wage servitude. There are a million and one examples, but exploiting the worker is as American as apple pie.
The only thing that has ever really improved in American labor is actual safety standards for work environments, equipment, etc. We do a great job of prioritizing that. But actual workers are viewed as expendable, and many of the largest employers are just meat grinders even if they offer half-decent benefits. Walmart is a good example of that
It’s such a bummer when I hear about the burial lack of workers rights over there. How is there not mass migration to Europe?
Because, for many people, it’s not all that easy to get the requisite visas to go to Europe legally. As it stands now, I’m pretty sure I’m the only person in my household of 3 who has a few options to get skilled work visas based on my work experience. In another few years, when we’ve all finished our degrees, we’re looking at making the leap.
For other people, they might already have put down roots that hold them back before considering what a raw deal they’re getting. Even if someone can qualify to emigrate, significant others, kids or property can make it more difficult for them to decide to go for it.
And, of course, you have plenty of folks who drink too deeply of the Kool-Aid, and believe Fox News when they say Europe is overrun by communist governments that implement Sharia law in their gulags, and force you to be gay to hit the national quotas.
Many of the people who would have been criminalized for minor things like smoking cannabis to cope with the horrific work culture and thus are ineligible for work visas to most of the world. Many of those with the resources to do so have bought into the system and don’t know what the rest of the world is like, and there’s another group who just think the US is swell and everyone else is jealous of us and trying to come here.
32h work week?
“But worker rights that is socialism! Socialism is evil because the soviets say they are that!”
Yea everyone knows how that great socialist state of ireland
we never stopped. One week vacation per year is considered a perk at most jobs that offer it.
One week? Do you get like 46 days of bank holiday?
No, it’s usually somewhere between 5 and 12 and none of them are mandatory.
Edit: if I’m translating that right, anyway.
I don’t know how many banking holidays there are but they typically are only observed by people working at banks… Personally speaking, I’ve never had a job that gave any holidays off, but I also never had a job that gave vacation time, even though some of them said they did on paper.
You have 32h/week as a standard?
Well full time is 36plus i think
Yeah its slowly becoming the standard
That’s awesome! I was actually looking into moving to Ireland (not the TERF-island part tho). Sadly their trans healthcare is also sub par.
Your sexuality is not a personality
Cool. Didn’t talk about my sexuality. Weird that you would bring that up, are you well?
Legally, I get 1 hour of sick leave for every 40 hours worked. And this is a pro-worker state, most states don’t mandate any sick leave at all.
1 hour of sick a week ? That doesn’t make sense, you can’t plan being sick. How does that work? What if your sick fir one hour and ten minutes
The way paid time off works in WA is that it goes into a fund that you get paid out of for missing work. So, a minimum of one hour of wages gets added to the pot for every full week of work.
I go to therapy weekly, so I can choose to either take my PTO to cover the hour I miss each week, or I can choose to save it for when I actually get sick. Hypothetically, I could also save it for a vacation, but I’m not bougie enough to take a vacation.
Everyone deserves a holiday
And also pay us a fucking livable wage that’s been adjusted for inflation and productivity gains over the years for fucks sake.
How are you alive without having livable wages
Now don’t get me wrong, you should aim at a wage as high as possible and use whatever to achieve that.
But livable wage? Are you a peasant or something? You already are being kept alive.
I rely on community support, like most people. That can be your spouse, parents, or government benefits, in addition to things like food donation programs.
Children and seniors rely on that. The work force supports them.
I’m not the other person, but I’m from the Uk and we have never seen so many working people having to use food banks as they simply can’t afford the insane cost of living grift that has been happening.
If you work full time and you have to rely on food banks or government top-ups whilst the company you work for is recording record profits and paying c-suite staff millions in compensation then something is clearly wrong with this system.
Go back into EU then, your people decided for another system. Was a literal democratic referendum
But why should joining a union of other countries make a difference? Adults don’t rely on community support, as you explained upthread, so there’s literally no purpose to joining one. It’s not like you’re just reactively attacking whoever commented last or anything, so I’m sure you can figure out a way to make sense of this.
Adults are the ones that are relied upon for taxes. Unionising is a power play. You’re still going to be working hard to pay the taxes for the people that can’t work (yet).
Most of the people here just don’t want to work (they don’t want to pay taxes)
Excellent idea. I’ll just call Mr Starmer now and have him sort it out.
Some of our people voted to leave and it was due to a campaign of misinformation in the main stream media.
Your comment is ridiculous and I don’t really think it warranted a response at all.
Livable not survivable
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This is just my personal opinion and I know the hyper liberal lemmy will hate it but based on the current economic structure, a 4 day work week and extra vacation weeks would probably cost me more money than just working.
While I’m at work I eat less food, use less utilities and stuff like that. Being home more causes me to spend money that I don’t have. I’m already living paycheck to paycheck working 5 days and barely eating. Having to eat 2-3 meals an extra day per week would be too expensive. An extra day off would just make me get a second job.
We need to pay people a liveable wage before we can talk about more pto.
Sad to know you have such a case. But yes, this has to be addressed alongside.
Lmao they don’t want happier employees they want more money
Unfortunately the leading point of view from employers
Is that if an employee is happy with their job… THEY ARE NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH.
They feel that ONLY those who hate their jobs … are efficient
Start paying people enough that they can actually live instead of struggling just to keep their heads above water.
Want higher productivity? …
FTFY
Pay enough for them to afford two kids, a house and a car without dual-income and don’t have them work so many hours they can’t enjoy them.
Want happier employees?
“No.”
“If the have time to be happy, they have time to be more productive! Increase the targets and quotas!”
Only 4 weeks? For an entire year? That’s brutal.
I just want to say that I work for an amazing boss in the UK as a software developer and a few months ago we all got pay rises and a reduction in hours. We now work 33 hours a week instead of 37.5. We get 4 weeks holiday and an extra day added after each year of work up to a total of 25 days (five weeks).
We can be sick without being moaned at and they truly do put us first and the work second. I’ve had a lot of jobs before I sorted my life out (like 50+) and I swear I have PTSD from the old ones in that I can’t believe how nice my boss is as every other have been for corpos who somehow manage to get some other poor idiot to treat you like shit whilst paying you minimum wage and expecting maximum effort.
You can see that having 50 jobs meant I was not really one to take the bullshit and I would just lose the job for giving them my thoughts.
Incredibly relatable.
Only 4 weeks? In much of Europe, 5-6 weeks is the norm.
It’s 7 days in Singapore 🫠
But most white collar jobs here are around 18-21 days.
