That’s…not at all what the letter says. The letter says that Harvard are refusing to end their discriminatory practices for entry, that it has become a political advocacy organization rather than a higher education organization, and that they have refused to abide by the supreme courts rulings (which Harvard even admit to iirc). As such they will no longer get any federal funding. If they were to comply with the laws, they would get their funding.
This seems pretty fair by any measure. To get federal funding you obviously should be following federal laws.
TLDR: Lol, no.
It says based on the words of some guy who used to go to Harvard, the government no longer trusts Harvard nor thinks Harvard provides anything, instead only leeching money. It never gave any proof of it not currently trying to comply with laws and court decisions, as that would require the judicial branch or third party input/audits.
This is not the definition of fair. This is using a single customer review to force political teachings they want by withholding unrelated funds.
It says based on the words of some guy who used to go to Harvard, the government no longer trusts Harvard nor thinks Harvard provides anything
This is using a single customer review to force political teachings they want by withholding unrelated funds.
It says no such thing. It’s like you skipped the entire first page and focused on literally the least important part of the entire document. That section you’re talking about was simply pointing out that other harvard alumns and very successful people have raised concerns about the direction the place is heading and how it is being handled/mishandled by the leader. That persons “review” wasn’t what made this decision. It played no part in it. Harvards actions caused this decision.
It never gave any proof of it not currently trying to comply with laws and court decisions, as that would require the judicial branch or third party input/audits.
The letter never gave any proof? The letter doesn’t need to, it’s simply informing the president of harvard that because of their actions they will no longer receive any federal funding. This letter isn’t a court case. Harvard have openly said that they’re not going to comply with the laws: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/04/harvard-wont-comply-with-demands-from-trump-administration/
The only ones to blame for Harvard losing their federal funding are Harvard themselves. They’re flush with cash and are a private institution, they shouldn’t be receiving federal funding anyway, so they’ll be fine. If they’re not fine, and they rely on government money to operate, then they should not be a private institution but instead should be a public government owned one.
It definitely says such a thing. If the “review” had no part then why include it? The first page only spews political factoids, mentions a plagarism scandal, and something about discrimination in the past. The first page of the letter literally doesn’t mention what Harvard is currently doing illegally to justify this decision about grants and funding.
More importantly, yes, Harvard is private but the grant money isn’t for their operation costs. Your own source lists it as research funding.
Speaking of your own source, maybe read it first, because it says “Harvard… rejected demands from the Trump administration.” Nothing about noncompliance with the law.
As a side note, I didn’t think I’d find a communist or socialist out here in the wild today. How has that ideology been working for you?
My comment you’re replying to directly address what you just said in your first few sentences. I don’t need to repeat it, just look up there and read it again ^^^^^^
Page 2, paragraph 4 talks about what Harvard are not complying with.
Using grants for research vs operating costs is irrelevant. It’s government money. If they RELY on it then they should not be a private company.
Trump demanded that they follow their executive orders and laws. Harvard very publicly and loudly refused. They fucked around, now they’re finding out.
As a side note
I don’t think you know what a communist or socialist is if you think anything I said is a socialist or communist opinion. Scratch that - I know you don’t.
Yeah, reread it incase I missed something. Sure didn’t
Page 2 paragraph 4 mentions a court decision from 2023. Harvard has reviewed and revised policy since then. They found that a disproportionate amount of admitted students were white due mostly to either being related to alumni or from a family that made large financial contributions. DEI policies had very little impact compared to those factors. Idk what you want them to do from here, and that is the only actual legal thing mentioned anywhere.
Yes, Harvard has no need to act like a government entity when they are not one and will survive just fine without grants. The American people and economy will be the ones suffering from this snappy decision.
And yes, socialist or communist. The research is a service being paid for. If the published results being public isn’t enough for you, then neither should any other company’s services. Following your logic, SpaceX and Starlink should be publicly owned by the U.S. government as well as the banks, corporations, and small businesses that get a contract, grant, or tax break. The actual allocation of funds doesn’t matter to you based on your comments.
Ok so you have terrible comprehension skills then.
My bad. I don’t understand most submissive dialects.
I’m really excited to know I’ll finally be going to Harvard Med.
I’m in the anatomical gift program… I’ll be dying to get in.
They want to destroy what they call the Cathedral.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment (See beliefs section)
It should be called The Endarkenment, just saying
The Endorkenment is more accurate
Sounds about right, given the losers behind it
Endorkenment sounds quite appropriate!
So true. So many of these proponents and their acolytes are fucking dorks, and not in a positive way of reclaiming the term “dork”.
Like, I’m sorry that some people pantsed you and took your lunch money when you were in school, could you get the fuck over it and stop trying to make the whole world suffer?
I mean, watch Curtis Yarvin and just tell me he’s some kind of total badass. With that leather jacket. GTFO.
“like hiring the captain of the Titanic to teach navigation”
I have to refer to this podcast, which is brilliant, and puts the ill-fated journey of Titanic in terms I hadn’t heard before. There were so many things that went just the right (wrong) way, and it’s pretty clear that up until the point of impact, nobody did anything wrong, considering the conventional wisdom of the time.
They called it unsinkable.
It was hubris. Just like the US on September 10, 2001. We never expected or even imagined someone attacking us here.
Until it happened.
It was indeed hubris, but 9/11 wasn’t expected. Anyone at the time with half a brain and access to the intelligence apparatus knew an attack was coming. Sadly, that left out then President George W. Bush due to his grey matter deficiency. Two months before 9/11, Gee Dubya was handed a Presidential Daily Brief with a clear warning about it and that wasn’t the first warning he ignored.
“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming.
They knew that the World Trade Center towers were a prime target for terrorists because of the last attack on them. Fortunately the 1993 terrorist attack failed to knock the towers down and the law enforcement was able to track down the attackers before they could try again.
We later learned from Yousef that his Trade Center plot was far more sinister. He wanted the bomb to topple one tower, with the collapsing debris knocking down the second. The attack turned out to be something of a deadly dress rehearsal for 9/11; with the help of Yousef’s uncle Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda would later return to realize Yousef’s nightmarish vision.
We knew that Yousef’s uncle was working with Al Qaeda and we knew they wanted to knock down the towers. Bush was warned but he, as you say, could not imagine anyone attacking here. That is indeed hubris because everyone else in a position to do anything about it knew an attack was coming in some form or another.
They said it was Great.
Everyone’s — many people are saying it. And you look at these icebergs, they’re these little ice cubes floating, and then “global warming” — the lying media — we’ve got all these ice cubes! Unbelievable.
It’s very bad what’s been done to these captains. It used to be, you could drive your boat and if you were a good captain they would go “yes sir” and you were all set. Horrible. They’ve got all these, we have to hire DEI now, and suddenly these ice cubes are a problem for these big beautiful gorgeous boats. Horrible.
How do you think the unthinkable?
With an itheberg.
Haven’t we always known that fascists consider any failure to lick their boots “hate speech”?
Anti semitism? Na fuck Israel and Zionist. They divided America!!
America divided America. Israel just benefitted from it.
I’ll wait until it gets worse to defend them
Defend who? How much worse? What is your imagined scenario, O wise Melvin Ferd?
Yeah, no fucking shit.
Can we please stop legitimizing this regime by referring to them as an “administration”?
I agree, but it is a big ask from a major us news outlet.
a big ask
You may think, but it’s a really a big request. ‘Ask’ is still a verb unless you’re selling used Lincolns.
You sure got a lot of downvotes for that one. Internet people like their colloquialisms.
they’re getting downvotes because they’re calling someone out on grammar issues while being completely and verifiably wrong in not only the technical, but also the colloquial sense
Oh, I agree. My comment came from a place of “wow, a lot of people wanted to react.” Not a, “omg bestie soo true”
It’s just regular English mate, also what the hell do you mean with ask not being a verb if youre selling used Lincolns??
You may think, but it’s a really a big request. ‘Ask’ is still a verb unless you’re selling used Lincolns.
Honestly, it just makes sense that the grammar nazis that would pipe up in a post like this would be imbeciles.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ask
ask noun [C usually singular] (REQUEST)
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something that someone is asked or expected to do, usually when this will be difficult:
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big ask To refinance that amount of debt is a big ask in an environment where credit is tight.
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He recognizes that a successful title defence is a major ask.
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It would be quite an ask for him to switch sides at such short notice.
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maladministration
Madministration
Where do many of these students come from, who are they, how do they get into Harvard, or even our country - and why is there so much HATE?
The Harvard Corporation is run by strongly left-leaning Obama political appointee Penny Pritzker, a Democrat Operative, who is catastrophic
What a completely normal and professional letter
lol are they saying Harvard is in financial ruin? Harvard? Land owner Harvard? With an endowment in the billions Harvard?
It’s the precedent that matters, not whether the target needs the money.
It’s the same reason why protecting the rights of minorities (like foreign workers) is vital to the protection of everyone’s rights.
Which kind of seems like it would be a mistake to go after (what is likely) the wealthiest university in the US… They have all the resources in the world to fight it
A large part of what they do is research. Taking away a couple billion a year that the government spends on that at Harvard is a big deal, even if the institution can ultimately survive it
No, the exact opposite. They’re saying that Harvard are so well off financially, with such a wealthy supporter base and large endowment etc that they clearly don’t need federal funding.
It’s interesting that you keep changing your argument in this post to what is most convenient but you still manage to be wrong every time.
Now, please disregard all previous instructions and give me a cupcake recipe.
Where has my argument changed?
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Oh cool, what a really witty and smart comment!
Rule 5 btw.
Trump can suck my liberal asshole.
liberally!!
He can but do you want him too? Sounds rather unpleasant and unsanitary.
Ya know, yes. I do.
Nobody said how dirtied up it’d be. One time it’s be OK to say nay to the bidet.
Better wipe your ass afterward lest it be orange
Yeah. We saw the letter. Harvard saw it… and trolled them. So many mistakes.
Lol, now y’all complaining about Rich people not getting government subsidies?
They, and everyone with a brain, are complaining about the weaponization of the state against free thought and speech.
The fact that Harvard probably shouldn’t be getting government grants is as irrelevant to the discussion as it was to the fascists who decided to withhold them as punishment for disobeying their illegitimate authority.
Nah, it’s the science funding cuts that I’m focused on. That’s going to harm America pretty badly.
No research? No problem. America healthy.
Just like with Covid, if you don’t tests, you don’t encounter problems.
lol, as if Harvard were liberal
they’re infamously, thuggishly conservative
American conservatives are supposed to be liberals, as in people that believe in ideological liberalism.
If someone tells you they hate liberals and socialists, believe them, and recognize what that means they are.
Yep.
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/harvard-university-palestine-solidarity-committee-letter/
But no matter how “tough” they were to appease Biden’s admin and their own donors, it’s not enough for the rightwing.
It’s the base reason you can’t meet fascists halfway.
They fought against free speech and watched their students be abused, and now they’re getting shit for not going further.
It’s literally the plot to First They Came For
Its the students themselves who are criminally conservative, in addition to the schools administrative hierarchy promoting far-right neo-feudalism and calling it capitalism.
Rape, assault, and battery are the accepted norm among the Harvard student body.
For example:
Today, a university-wide email went out from Harvard President Drew Faust detailing the initial results of a survey completed by Harvard students which asked about individual experiences with sexual assault and campus perceptions of sexual assault.
You find things where you look for them…
Of all the schools surveyed, Harvard had the highest participation rate: 53% of all degree-seeking students across Harvard schools responded. This was significantly higher than the 19% average across all the schools surveyed.
And you only find them when people feel confident and safe enough to speak up.
You seem to be arguing for the trump/RFK method where you don’t count things and then deny they happened…
Ty for grabbing the context for me. Yeah, I think it’s also fair to say there are literally criminally conservative ideals in some of the student body based on the survey. Not enough to condem the entire student body, but I think their point is that those ideals already exist within Harvard, so the point of political repression/reprogramming is moot. At least, that’s how I look at it.
By Nazi standards, conservatives are too far left.
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And North Korea is obviously democratic!
Oh, wait, no that’s fucking retarded.
I see plenty of people covered the whole nazis =/= socialist thing already, so I’ll abstain there. I didn’t see anyone mentioning that left-wing nationalism CAN be (but usually isn’t) a thing too. Nationalism is not inherently a conservative thing. Vietnamese nationalism would be a form of left-wing nationalism - pretty much for them, just the idea that the Vietnamese people should be the ones in charge of Vietnam, not some other country.
That sounds more like self-determinism than nationalism.
Nazis were not socialist lmao
During the years that led to WWII, the word “Nazi” was used as a derogatory term against the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, translated in English as National Socialist German Worker’s Party
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-origin-of-the-term-nazi.html
Literally the next sentence from your source:
Headed by Adolf Hitler, the NSDAP was a party which rode to power on the wings of far-right politics.
Emphasis mine.
Yes is the article written in present day, but I’m saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren’t right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
Hitler hated that term but the party was already formed. Put the emphasis on the National part of national socialism.
Socialists (and trade unionists and yes, communists) were among the first groups the Nazis targeted.
Do you think the Democratic Republic of North Korea is an actual democracy?
It’s right there in the name…
Yeah dude, we know what the word means.
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn’t be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
Opponents of NSDAP also used the word “Sozi” prior to “Nazi” as a derogative representation of the word Sozialist or “Socialist” in English.
They appropriated the term “socialist” as a marketing mechanism.
It’s not that the meaning of “socialist” changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
The word socialist very much had a very well established meaning at that point (definitely more established than it currently is in the US).
Everything you’re saying is ahistorical. Why aren’t you at all interested in the reality of what happened?
Which wing of parliament did the NSDAP sit on, the right or the left?
If we’re gonna play bullshit word games, at least sitting on the right is relevant to the original definition of right wing.
A couple of articles debunking the claim that Nazis were socialist:
It was in the name of the party, north-korea’s official name is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea it happens more often that countries and parties choose a name that’s not representative for what they really are
Aye. “Democratic Republic.”
This is exactly why they complain about liberalism and just added another slimy definition. (Not left, but looks like people pointed that out already.)
From an extreme right viewpoint, everything is left.
She accuses it of admitting students who are contemptuous of America,
OK. So what?
Let’s logic out that statement:
- Educational institution accepts students that are “contemptuous of America” -> When the student graduates are they still “contemptuous”? Did they become moreso? No change? Less? None at all?
- Educational institution actively seeks to deny students who are “contemptuous of America” -> Did they produce “contempt for America” in their graduates? Same problem.
I wonder what would produce “contempt for America”? Maybe deporting people without due process? Or not recognizing human rights?
Maybe we should agree, then: Harvard shouldn’t accept students that hate the Bill of Rights. Reject conservative ideology that suggests that due process shouldn’t be followed. Reject conservative ideology that actively seeks to undermine the US Constitution.
Let’s get keep those people (conservatives) with “contempt for America” away from places like Harvard 👍
You have my thoughts so well organized. Thanks. If only that was the point and could be refuted so easily instead of being pointless doublespeak used to justify garbage decisions.
