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I love lamp.
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Based and redpilled
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$30 a month so far, will be a lot more if their plan of forcing artists out works out.
Devils advocate here. There’s open source services that offers AI gen for free, as long as you have an internet connection.
So a potato phone could be used and that’s all that’s required.
-# Doesn’t make it more accessible than actual pen and paper but the gap is not that big either
Internet connection already stops a lot of people
I would argue that ‘free’ just means the cost is hidden and you might end up paying it anyway through the societal effects that the energy demands of LLMs cause. That is, there’s a cost and it will make it back to you somehow or other because that’s how tech oligarchy works.
Definitely. But the point here is the accessiblity. If you gotta argue about the accessiblity you gotta set the record straight on both sides
I’m pretty against AI. I just like my facts corrects
Llms arent the same ai as image gen though.
Your thinking of ChatGPT like services.
StableDiffusion on al old laptop will take less energy then a modern game, maybe slightly more then a digital painting software.
Its also fully open source and offline, you can check the code if you want.
I never spent any money on AI. Use locally run open source models.
Doesn’t that require a load of computer power? My computer could start a house fire opening a PDF.
no. probably less power than to boil a cup of water
I’ve always been sketchy about the energy requirements argument. It’s not like artists don’t take a lot of energy to create their work. If you hire someone to spend all day making a painting for you, you’re may be talking a day’s worth of first world-level energy consumption.
Sure but that person doesn’t stop existing if you don’t hire them. A GPU would otherwise consume no energy.
Depends on your hardware (such as your graphics card). But it’s definitely possible and a lot of people do it.
Yeah, but how much did you cost?
Fun fact two days ago I got a price tag tattoo on my hip for $646,990.37, so at least that much
Let me guess, bill for hip surgery in US?
Economic cost of mtf lower surgery in the US. It also includes electrolysis, travel, and housing for surgery related stuff. That said almost all of it is just surgery and hospital bills charged to insurance. I only have paid about $35k and they want another $4k out of me but I’m fighting it. Gearing up for a legal battle soon yay
It’s gotta be cheaper to do medical tourism and get something like that done in another country.
It sure is! My insurance is actually really good though and I got a plan specifically to cover this. I was told several times by multiple people and departments I wouldn’t have to pay more than my out of pocket max. Which was a lie apparently and out of pocket max doesn’t always work like advertised. Thus the imminent legal battle
I think it seems to usually be more about disabled people, who ai bros tend to consider either too stupid or physically unable to make real art, which is bullshit. There are amputees painting with their feet, who knows how many artists who have prosthetic hands or chronic pain. And don’t even get me started on mentally disabled people.
I’m sure all disabled people love hearing “Oh this other disabled guy showed extraordinary willpower and overcame his disability against all odds why can’t you”
Gotta say, most disabled people i know - myself included - would happily hold AI underwater until the bubbles stop
The game Katawa Shoujo, which was actually made by a cooperation between people who were on 4chan, depicts amputees and disabled folk, one of which is an artist which draws with her feet, with many of them having traumatic experiences that you hear of as you get to know of them more personally
It’s good. I like it.
This post isn’t accessible. Dont post pictures of text without transcribing it
The part I hate most is the “$800 phone” part. At least get a proper PC where you’ve got a fighting chance at being able to create stuff instead of a smartphone/tablet with an interface designed purely to consume, damn it!
I can do some pixelart on my S23 Ultra, and even sketch some ideas down in work.
The artist used stolen materials to make art. The AI “artist” used stolen materials to make “art”.
One makes money, one doesn’t . The market has spoken. Actual artists will be able to continue on not make much money doing what they love and that is the meta of their chosen path. If you are an artist and you feel your job is threatened by AI, make better art or join the club of people who had their jobs taken by technology; you will have company. We still have cobblers, blacksmiths, and woodworkers; artists should take note of their revised business models.
This is very confusing. AI also isn’t technological progress, just like how leaded gasoline and Flexplay wasn’t technological progress.
It is a technology that makes a skilled process easier than it has ever been.
Is a calculator not technological progress?
Is a CNC machine not technological progress?
There is no valid argument that AI image generation is not a form of technological progress. What took an artist a half hour or a day takes an image generator minutes.
somewhere i should have a collection of “borrowed” ikea pencils
I always bring them back when they have reached half the original length.
This feels like it was drawn in one of those $200 drawing tablets
What they mean by that is that they have no artistic ability and no interest in learning anything about how to actually make art, they just want a product to spec for free.
AI hallucinations are the modern equivalent to clip art from the 90’s, change my mind.
- Clip art from the 90’s was made with passion
- It didn’t threaten the environment as much
- There wasn’t any attempt to outdo real artists
- You don’t have it as a business model
- There isn’t an uproar about it
- Nothing was stolen to make the clip art
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everything threatens the environment more nowadays
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clip art artists constantly threatened the lives of people who called them fake artists.
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there were clip art business!!
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everyone hated it then, too
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the gaping hole in the soul of every artist who got paid to make clip art would disagree with that last one.
My business is 90% comic sans and clip art
The last 10% is paint. Graphic arts is my passion
I sometimes try using Ai to make a simple Clipart type image. Getting something decent only comes with a stroke of luck. Most of the time it is absolutely infuriating.
Im forced to work on it at work. Every time I do, the scene from Deathclok where they record sound to water plays in my head.
The main thing here is that image generation trough an llm doesn’t even count as creating.
Asking is not creating. In these systems people ask an llm to use a genai tool, the people never actually touch the tool themselves. (They wont even allow it lol)
Thats why ComfyUi with stable diffusion and not chatgpt is the standard for serious art work using ai.
They are fully open source, offline and they don’t require any more energy then playing a video game.
Also workflows look like this, more accessible means a different set of skills can now get you similar results. But it is still skill.
you indeed dont need to know how to hold a pencil to build that.
(Also there are more and more models exclusively trained with artist consent)
So yes, ai does make art more accessible to a small group of technical people. Most people know no one in this group.
With the Ai Horde you just need a browser on a potato.
and tons of power and cooling somewhere.
stop acting like the compute comes from nowhere lol
Not really, the ai horde runs in volunteer PCs, so less power and cooling than running an aaa game
volunteer PCs
oh those run on pixie dust and fairy farts huh?
in fact, because they’re distributed amongst thousands (presumably) volunteer pcs, they’re eating up cycles that aren’t optimized so are much less efficient at their task compared to specialized gpus and asics.
there’s no free lunch.
There’s no asics and specialized gpus for this sort of thing. We’ve also developed foss workers that are indeed more optimized. Also a lot of our volunteers use solar power.
I any case, yes of course it consumes some electricity, but all digital entertainment does and as I said we’re comparable to AAA gaming , so I don’t see why you’re singling that out.
so I don’t see why you’re singling that out.
I didn’t single out anything, I despise the entire spectrum bud. There’s no free lunch for AI.
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I think you should, it’s fuck_ai, lol,
A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024
Did you wander in here to advocate for your energy gobblin AI thinking we’d go “oh it’s distributed consumption SO THAT’S OK”?
Honestly?
For an instance who bans people for being an “Anti-AI troll”, you’re pretty loud with your “Pro-AI trolling”.
How am I trolling?
Same way people disliking or pointing out flaws in “AI” are “trolling”.
The difference is, you don’t get banned here for discussing things.
People were banned for going to unrelated topics and complaining acerbically about GenAI art in a meme (the meme not being about GenAI Art). I made a comment directly related to the meme and was not toxic about it. But if you feeling smug is what you need today, sure, go on.
That is factually incorrect, and there are modlogs to back it up.
I know a lot of robotgirls who say what you’re doing to their people is reprehensible.
To draw, you just need a sharp rock and a bigger smooth rock(or any other smooth surface)
And time
For AI “art”, you also need internet connection and knowledge how to use a computer
How much time you need to draw something depends on the reason you are drawing. You dont need to make good art for a lot of reasons you might be drawing
