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They like him because he hurts the ones they hate a little more than he hurts them.
Don’t forget:
1-Enabled genocide against increasing opposition from his base. 2-Didn’t go after Trump for treason. 3-Didn’t go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign. 4-Refused to step down despite clearly being unfit for a second term.
Biden did have a fair number of accomplishments during his term, but each one of these failures outweighs all of them combined.
Liberal voters liked Biden so much the emulated him by doing nothing to stop Trump.
Your thinking of the fake “progressives” that did nothing on election day.
I don’t know if two is exactly Fair. I would say more importantly that that he appointed Merrick Garland a fucking useless milk toast. That Garland didn’t go after Trump. I’m okay with the president not personally conducting investigations and trials.
Eh, same difference. I very much doubt he appointed Garland without knowing exactly what he’d do (or, more accurately, not do).
That’s never really the impression I had from him being appointed. I don’t think that much thought really went into it. I think it was more of a kind of a stunt/ fuck you to the Republicans for not letting him be on the Supreme Court. Kind of a see we’re going to use them since y’all wouldn’t. Which I think they regretted later. So I guess what I’m really saying is it’s Obama’s fault lol.
lol it’s milquetoast and that gives me hope for Lemmy not being entirely populated by bots right at this moment
- when everyone is price gouging and the high prices stick, that’s inflation, which Biden did go after.
3-Didn’t go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign.
I agree with your other points, including the fact that he lost the fucking Republic to fascism through his deeds resulting in his overall legacy being an abject fucking failure, but the tools by which the president could, even purely theoretically, go after price gouging are extremely limited. And political concerns with the ever-fickle and reactionary US electorate would make direct presidential action even of that limited sort of questionable wisdom even for a presidency as motivated on the issue as one headed by Sanders or Warren (assuming the makeup of the rest of the government remained roughly the same).
I agree, though I’m starting to think that we’re being and limited by our own minds here a little. Look at how much raw power Republicans are exerting now, to much more evil ends, and they’re fine doing it. I think if Dems actually grew a spine, many would follow. A reactionary electorate can go both ways, since it’s mainly acting on vibes/spite/etc. Most believe nothing ever happens anyway, which is why they tell you to relax when the MAGA breaks key institutions. So I think some direct presidential action in a good direction would be good. Let the pundits scream all they want, they’ll call him a communist baby eater anyway.
PS: I hope that was coherent, I didn’t proof read it and I haven’t had my coffee yet.
The reason for Republicans corruption is literally the power they have. If Democrats took up that power, it wouldn’t fix anything. Then we’d have two equally corrupted unanswerable parties. Running roughshod over us.
Anyone who thought anyone at that level of government could or would save them has only fooled themselves. That level of government has never and will never represent us. Literally, look to the times it sort of seemed like it did. Like the new deal era 100 years ago that did a lot to exclude Black’s and minorities. Then realize that even that little bit was an exception and an outlier.
Nothing would be materially different had Sanders won. Because he wouldn’t have had a base of legislative support etc. He would have had better rhetoric if that’s all that mattered to you. But in terms of what he could get done. It wouldn’t be much different. When you vote for a president if you aren’t voting for anyone to fix something. You are voting for someone to manage the damage and trying to keep it from getting out of hand. That is all.
No president will ever save us. The only ones capable of saving us are ourselves. People have been so complacent. That we have sleepy octogenarians, dying in office. Generally running unopposed. That’s on us. Yes the National Party will fight against us. They’ve always been the enemy. It’s only right for them to fight against us. It’s wrong that we haven’t been fighting back against them.
Breaking things by not following the rules is easy. All Democrats can do right now is threaten to … Also break things, hoping Republicans would back down. But that only helps them.
I don’t mean break things so much as push things and not back down the instant some parliamentarian disagrees. I want them to put goals above process, if that makes sense. And obviously to have actual good goals.
To some degree, I do agree that the spinelessness of Dems works against them.
But on the other hand, Dems have a VERY different demographic than the GOP does. And the Dems have spent the past 30 years building the ‘adult in the room’ narrative which traditionally plays well to the actively voting segment of that demographic, and going for “Fuck the rules, we no longer believe in them” would likely not energize much of the base, and disillusion them the same way many left-wing voters were disillusioned in 2024 by the Harris campaign’s unwillingness to trumpet any firm ideological position.
Ultimately, I think Dem strategy, or lack thereof, is a contributor to this whole debacle - but the fundamental problem is that there’s not really a ‘winning coalition’ that’s evident at this point in American politics. Chasing swing voters by vibes instead of ever-increasingly-milquetoast policy might be marginally more electorally successful (though massively better for the country’s policy), but as unlikely to be the desired silver bullet any more than mainstream Dem attempts at shit like ‘country over party’ or ‘return to normality’ at changing the overall result of elections.
Our electorate is fucked, ideologically incoherent, low-information, and infected with deep, cultural-level maliciousness and tribalism. God knows how we dig ourselves out of this one, but however it might occur, I’m almost certain that it will happen at the grassroots, changing the electorate first and the strategy second (changing the electorate’s outlook, resulting in winning elections and being able to implement rational and useful policy), rather than vice-versa (winning elections and then changing the electorate via implementation of rational and useful policy).
Makes sense, but I have a question though. Wouldn’t the tribalism work in the favor of the “fuck it” approach? Since it would be targeted at Trump and his cronies. Dem voters tend to be all in on locking up Trump. And also, thinking towards more radical things Biden did, like pulling out of Afghanistan and strengthening the NLRB — those would technically be outside the typical Dem comfort zone, but I haven’t seen many Dem voters take issue with that.
Where I’m going with this: I don’t think voters really want this visionless triangulation approach Dems keep doing. I think the DNC wants that. The consultant class, the “it’s his/her/their turn” types. Jim Carville types and other Clinton era fossils who are afraid to call Republicans weird because they value bipartisanship above all else. Not to mention literal controlled opposition rotating villain types like “Manchinema” and now Fetterman. Those guys want compromise, but I actually think voters want a fight. I think they can see plainly that Republicans are going low and don’t actually want Dems to go high like Michelle Obama famously said — they want Dems to go lower and beat the GOP at their own game.
Again, all the tribalism and spite and brianrot, those are very conducive to a more aggressive approach rather than this “let them discredit themselves” crap. The latest polls favoring AOC, the Fight Oligarchy crowd sizes, the dismal disapproval of the Democratic Party as a whole, all these show that people are aware that the “adult jn the room” days are over and it’s a fight for survival. I’ll give you that once things hopefully get back to normal, they’ll start their finger wagging again, but right now? I kinda doubt it. If anything, the less vocal hashtag resistance is more a sign of people being tired, disappointed, and resigning themselves to the idea that nobody is fighting for them anymore and they just have to make do and keep their heads low because that’s how you survive fascism.
Disclaimer: not American, I’m from across the pond but I follow US politics closely because it affects us as well.
Makes sense, but I have a question though. Wouldn’t the tribalism work in the favor of the “fuck it” approach?
We’re back at the “GOP and Dems have a different core demographic”. There’s not a massive as-of-yet-untapped tribalist voting bloc waiting for the DNC to ratchet up their rhetoric.
Where I’m going with this: I don’t think voters really want this visionless triangulation approach Dems keep doing. I think the DNC wants that. The consultant class, the “it’s his/her/their turn” types. Jim Carville types and other Clinton era fossils who are afraid to call Republicans weird because they value bipartisanship above all else. Not to mention literal controlled opposition rotating villain types like “Manchinema” and now Fetterman. Those guys want compromise, but I actually think voters want a fight. I think they can see plainly that Republicans are going low and don’t actually want Dems to go high like Michelle Obama famously said — they want Dems to go lower and beat the GOP at their own game.
I agree entirely. Like I said, the strategy, or lack thereof, of the Dems is a contributor to this entire debacle.
Again, all the tribalism and spite and brianrot, those are very conducive to a more aggressive approach rather than this “let them discredit themselves” crap. The latest polls favoring AOC, the Fight Oligarchy crowd sizes, the dismal disapproval of the Democratic Party as a whole, all these show that people are aware that the “adult jn the room” days are over and it’s a fight for survival. I’ll give you that once things hopefully get back to normal, they’ll start their finger wagging again, but right now? I kinda doubt it. If anything, the less vocal hashtag resistance is more a sign of people being tired, disappointed, and resigning themselves to the idea that nobody is fighting for them anymore and they just have to make do and keep their heads low because that’s how you survive fascism.
I think you vastly overestimate the appetite and appeal of conflict for most American voters at this point in time. We run in extremely left-leaning circles here in Lemmy, but while there’s general dissatisfaction with the Dem party, a majority of voters want it to stay the course or become more moderate rather than radicalize. And while that’s pig-fucking stupidity, it’s… well, we play the hand we’re dealt, not the one we want.
My point about abandoning the long-standing pandering to suburban professionals and other unplugged moderates who crave civility politics wasn’t an endorsement of the Dems continuing the ‘adult in the room’ strategy, only suggesting that there are definite and serious electoral costs to changing the strategy, and that prior experience does not engender confidence in harnessing the ‘anger’ of other Dem demographics as a means of increasing electoral success.
Changing the strategy means telling the Dems, as a whole, ‘the party doesn’t need the support of the suburban middle class; progressives will make up the difference’.
And while I agree that attempting to further shore up the suburban middle class is clearly not a winning fucking strategy, progressives - even for progressive darlings like Sanders - simply do not command the votes necessary to change the electoral balance in this country, as things currently stand. It goes back to the core point I made - that the fundamental problem is we lack a clear ‘winning coalition’ more than that we lack a winning strategy (though we do also, clearly, lack a winning strategy as well). There’s no strategic silver bullet that the DNC is just ‘missing’, or too corrupt to adopt. We’re in a bad fucking position, and changing the electorate is probably more useful than changing strategy (though there’s nothing stopping us from agitating for both, I feel it’s important to emphasize that changing strategy alone is not going to be anything but kicking the can down the road - I remember the triumphalism of the successful strategy of the Obama years and how that fucking panned out)
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It’s really frustrating people dont want to recognize Biden’s accomplishments.
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People have all their excuses lined up. I saw a lot of what I called “b b but why didn’t he do everything, everywhere, all at once?”
He threw the country to fascism at the end of his run, kinda fucks his legacy up dontcha think?
It isn’t a great list considering the child tax credit was a provision of the american rescue plan, the pact act is a particularly small bill that targeted military veterans, and there’s nothing past 2022.
Recognition of four accomplishments in two years gets buried quick by the inaction and inability of the following the next two.
It isn’t a great list
The bar isn’t very high.
And just because you give a bill a name doesn’t mean it’s effective. The inflation reduction act, did not.
Also the IRA is largely getting blocked or repealed. It would have been great had it been implemented but calling it an accomplishment seems like a stretch given the current situation.
I guess it depends where you live 🇵🇸
This isn’t the fault of a corrupt politician … or a corrupt political party … or a corrupt opposition political party
It’s the American people who just blinded accept all this, vote for it, don’t question it and do as little as possible about it all and just live with it and hope that it all just goes away on its own.
The American people didn’t blindly vote for this. Fox News (among others) has been brainwashing them for decades. Fox is the number one watched source of news. Republicans have also destroyed education and regulations to allow for people to be brainwashed.
It’s not as simple as laziness.
People are choosing to watch Fox. That is 100% on them.
Not necessarily. If you were born into a household that watches Fox… Guess what you believe. There’s a reason the South so powerfully believes in that garbage. Not to mention Fox is on in the lobbies of sooo many business lobbies. It is very difficult to escape a cult.
As much as I loathe the right wing, the people it has engulfed might not have been that way under a different upbringing. Nature vs. nurture.
I sympathize with all that … because we are suffering with the same here in Canada to a lesser degree … but I’m in a northern area away from the cities where we have historically always voted for the left or center and seldom the right wing parties.
We are keeping our heads above water but I can feel the undertow of right wing politics all the time. No matter what happens, I’ll always be left (the NDP party) even if it means we lose, I’ll never give it to the politics of hate, fear or anxiety just because some dumb politician or television told me so.
adding in election rigging and inteference from the gop/musk and russia. in the last 3 presidential eleciton that was never investigated i might add. even calling out MITCHs election rigging dint make a peep int he news.
These comments make me realize just how many people don’t really know their history.
So find a way to pay him more for what you consider “good”, and point out specifically how it benefits him today - that’s how you deal with someone who’s as obvious as him…
Gonna be hard to convince Trump that anything that benefits brown people also benefits him.
Ignore the brown people part. Don’t tell him about that. Focus entirely on how whatever it is benefits him immediately. Sneak in all the other stuff after you feed his ego and his wallet.
They both support their genocidal garrison state no questions asked.
Genocide
Genocide Joe is the liberal hero
Yeah we need to not make Biden look like he was perfect and only good, it’s very easy to illustrate how much better he was than Trump without ignoring the bad.
Biden was a great president
He was an okay president
He bombed children, screwed over the poor and working class, and backed a genocide. He was an average president, which is to say: A terrible president.
You mean Jill, right? Because Joe’s brains were leaking out of his skull in an unimaginably grotesque display of elder abuse for at least the last 2.5 years of the Biden presidency.
Hey, that’s not true! He failed to bring peace to the Middle East (which has been in a constant state of turmoil or imperialist occupation for one reason or another since the Romans took over Judea)!
Are you fucking kidding me? Go spread your historically illiterate (and very racist) misinformation elsewhere; the Middle East under the Ottoman empire was exceptionally stable before European imperialism wrecked the region.
the Middle East under the Ottoman empire was exceptionally stable before European imperialism wrecked the region.
I uh
think you may be viewing Ottoman imperialism through a very idealistic lens.
I never said I liked the Ottoman empire, but they kept the region stable; that’s like the one thing they were good for. There’s a lot to blame Ottoman imperialism for, with the obvious elephants in the room being the janissaries and the Armenian genocide, but they were pretty successful in keeping their Middle Eastern territories intact and free of armed conflict… until they weren’t.
I never said I liked the Ottoman empire, but they kept the region stable;
I mean, other than the constant rebellions, raids, feuds, attempted usurpations, banditry, sectarian persecution, secessions, and interstate wars, I, uh, guess?
My bad, apparently if the imperialism gets strong enough the region becomes stable. Good take-away, thanks for letting me know.
Man some of y’all really do deserve fascism.
Totally the same. Biden picked Deb Holland for head of DOI and attempted to make an earnest apology for the US’s genocide of Natives via boarding schools.
Tronald Dump did exactly the same thing and cut $300 billion from food assistance that includes Indian country, which are basically third world countries with very little access to food, clean water, housing that isn’t a makeshift sheet metal, or healthcare that could prevent life long disabilities and/or premature death.
Too bad Biden will be remembered for his greed and wanting a second term just to doom us to Trump’s second term. All the good he did will be wiped out over the next 4 years.
his greed and wanting a second term just to
No. Jesus Christ this gets old.
- Find out the last time an incumbent swapped their candidate.
- Find the 3 times before that too.
- Notice a trend.
Come back and revise your statement.
Go fucking learn.
Did you read this? His mental faculties were very clearly failing him during his term. Obviously, he could not have remained in office for 4 more years: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/may/25/original-sin-joe-biden-book-review
Does that trend take into consideration the incumbent being highly unpopular and in clear cognitive decline? Does it take into account polling showing that the incumbant was going to lose by a massive margin?
The majority of voters understood his first run at his ancient age was as a one term president. He was a trash candidate, but that made it bearable. He flipped on that and possibly lost us the union
Go look at the polls. Every poll showed “undeclared democrat” crushing it. Biden polled the worst and Harris polled the second worst. Maybe you should go learn.
“Go learn” he says while being aggressively wrong. Jesus Christ man hahaha
Yet both are enemies of the workers, play into opportunism, the vast majority of their policies are dictated by business donors and maintain the system that most of us can agree is killing the planet and people. Any minor concessions (that have already been repealed by the way, wonder how that works /s) might make things a little bit comfortable, but is essentially nothing in comparison.
Stop rallying behind the puppets of capitalists, look past the liberal abstraction to see things for what they really are even if media says otherwise.
He only did genocide like a smol bean 🥹
Well, the other one actually did genocide like a big bean. Biden failed to do anything to stop it, Trump actively helped.
But both sides, amirite?I think selling them weapons and defending Israel from reprisal in criminal courts, and delegitimization of the call of a genocide is not “failing to stop it”, its full blown complicity. The only thing that i see that trump has done any different is attacking freedoms of speech and the right to assemble here to prevent people from protesting over our complicity in a genocide, though to bombed innocents in Gaza, that distinctions means very little.
Biden sent some 18 billion dollars in weapons to Israel. He sanctioned the ICC for seeking to arrest Netanyahu. College protestors were beaten up by police and Zio-mobs with the support of Biden. Biden spread lies about beheaded babies on October 7 to justify the mass slaughter of Palestinian children.
Biden deliberately failed to secure a ceasefire when all it needed was a proper phone call. Meanwhile Trump managed that for two months. Biden is this deep in hell on genocide support that Trump so far performed better than him.
But when that was pointed out before the election people went on to defend genocide as somehow acceptable and God forbid demanding to stop it because then AIPAC and the Elon Musk Nazi salute fans from the ADL would have been pissed.
If he had all those accomplishments and people still didn’t vote for his successor I wouldn’t call them accomplishments.
People didn’t even know he wasn’t running for President, I wouldn’t expect them to learn of his accomplishments through Trump Media
