These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.
It’s not a fucking immigration protest. They didn’t deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.
Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.
Doesn’t the California National Guard report to the Governor?
Normally yes, but the president has the power to federalize National Guard troops in extraordinary circumstances. That power hasn’t been exercised since 1965 though. Until now.
I mean, only if the National Guard doesn’t just decide no it isn’t extraordinary circumstances and refuses to mobilize beyond being in the area they were ordered to be generally (as in it is reasonable for the president to be able to take control of national guard unit and order them to deploy, but ordering them to take action against a non-violent entity is a bridge too far).
There are no rules, only choices, people that pretend otherwise are afraid of seeing themselves in the mirror.
Here we go. It’s about to get crazy folks!
Wtf? Why is this the first I’m hearing of this?!?
I was looking at porn while hundreds of other people stood up to the face of fascism.
I mean, how would you know until you know?
There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.
Well, more than a good reason, it’s in the UCMJ and drilled into you in basic.
And rather than fighting against people who can’t reach your home, those protestors can strike back. I hope anyone in the military realises that he’s putting their own family at harms way. That may very well change the equation. I’m sure they are willing to risk their own lives, but are they also willing to risk the lives of the kids?
The question is what will convince individual troops and units that their orders are illegal. Disobeying orders isn’t something the military takes lightly. In theory a court order should be proof enough, but who knows these days.
I’ll just leave this here.
https://girightshotline.org/en/military-counseling-news-updates/if-your-conscience-troubles-you/
It has begun. Trump unleashing the army against the population fighting against his gestapo.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert.” ~ABC News
They are already threatening to send in Marines…
They’ve been jerking themselves off to deploying the military against California for decades. This is their fantasy come true and they can hardly wait.
Makes me think of this song.
Der da dum der da dum
Does that source explain how they’ll circumvent Posse Comitatus?
You say that like Trump cares about the law or will listen to the supreme Court in the unlikely event that they agree to hear this case before he’s dead or that they rule against him. The evil rapist has been ignoring the law a long long time.
In a different article it says that he would use the Insurrection Act of 1807 so somebody cares about the law of the appearance. They’ve already listened to rulings from the courts, albeit slowly and impartially.
There’s a huge difference between obedience and respect for the law and cherry picking laws, taking them out of context and quoting them to the media. Trump does the latter, and threatens courts of law that do the former.
Nope, but using active military is no different than federalized National Guard. Both are title 10 troops and the use of either is the same under under Posse Comitatus. This is already Martial Law.
I am very fearful that many protesters will be murdered in the coming days.
And things will deteriorate quickly
I expect them to switch to live ammo within the month
I think days, weeks if we’re lucky
I hope it is weeks. I am not ready for conflict, I only had two lessons regarding firearms. I will need at least a month to sometimes hit targets at 25 meters, and to find other likeminded people.
Boston Massacre 2.0?
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Yeah, this is fucking depressing. Anyone wanna fight about Linux distros?
Not much of a fight when I use ARCH
But why not Arch with a mix of Rocky in the network acting as NASs and small edge compute nodes?
Me too, btw.
Biebian or Hannah Montana Linux
TempleOS
Biebien and Hannah Montana Linux are affronts to god, whereas TempleOS is a tribute.
Do either of you two know how to get to that bird game in TempleOS?
Ill do you one better. Windows is superior to Linux! (N.b. this comment is strictly to cause a ruckus)
Pfff, Amiga OS rules. (nb never used it, but but you asked for ruckus.)
Naaaaaw. Commodore 64 all the way. KCman is still the shit
I use ARCH btw
I appreciate your contribution to said ruckus
Agents provocateurs spotted! The top comment guy was right all along!
;)
Linux Mint Master Race, reporting.
It just werks.
Oh no worries. Trump is such a fan of insurrections he hands out pardons by the thousands for them - every single pardon personally signed by him, and totally not by autopen, I’m sure.
Seriously, though. Can’t wait for him to cry victim and pull a surprised pikachu when all this pushback to his antagonization makes it to the steps of the White House. Hope he keeps the surprised face until the bitter end, and that end can’t come soon enough.
Going to be watching this with great curiosity and excitement. Hopefully other places get the idea. Going to be very curious where Newsom comes down on this.
LAPD is already assisting ICE, so take a guess.
So, there’s a cool documentary called Winter On Fire that covers the 2014 Maidan revolts in Ukraine. The relevant bit is at the end; after the police open fire on an unarmed march, the protestors announce that by 0900 tomorrow, they’re marching on the capitol building and they’re all going to be armed with guns (all 90,000 of them), and the cops can choose to be there or not. Well, the cops fucking skipped town that night, along with the president. Nobody has ever accused LA of being a city that is deficient in guns, or if they have, then they’re fucking stupid.
DC would nuke LA.
As deranged as DC may be, I seriously doubt it. Especially because, being as old as he is, Donald was probably raised through the fever pitch of the cold war. He’s probably shit scared of the use of nuclear weapons. Did you notice how quickly the Trump administration jumped in to try and cool things off between India and Pakistan? I’d bet anything that it’s because Donald has a deep-seated urge to avoid nuclear weapons use.
I don’t mean literal nukes, but they would probably declare an emergency and send in substantial military force.
Edit: It’s crazy that we live in a time where I have to be specific about this.
I also wouldn’t even rule out literal nukes. Dude was talking about nuking a fucking hurricane…
Distraction or not, Trump is a coward who thinks deploying soldiers at a protest will make him look tough. It doesn’t. It makes him look scared and pathetic.
It’s because he is. Him and most of his cronies are at a point where if they do not maintain power until they die, they may face extreme consequences.
The good thing is I guess they know that. The bad thing is, when it’s that or maintain power, what lengths will they go to?
Of all the things you could rightly criticize as cowardly actions, brazenly deploying a military force against a civilian population, is not among them.
Edit: It’s not bravery/cowardice, it’s arrogance.
Deploying it in Ukraine against Russia, or in Gaza against Israel would be brave.
Deploying it against his own civilians is cowardly.
Really? I’d consider that peak cowardice.
“purposefully inflammatory”
Uh… this goes a bit beyond “inflammatory” chief.
Bass said in a statement Saturday night. “Everyone has the right to peacefully protest, but let me be clear: violence and destruction are unacceptable, and those responsible will be held accountable.”
Well at least he got the stuff about feckless Democrats right.
Police on Friday night issued a citywide tactical alert nearly two hours after declaring protests across the downtown area unlawful assemblies. “The use of less lethal munitions has been authorized by the Incident Commander,”
I mean ACAB so this isn’t new, but still holy authoritarianism batman.
Newsom said in a statement responding to Huerta’s arrest, describing the union president as a “respected leader, a patriot and an advocate for working people.”
I’d like that sentiment to carry over to, you know, actual policy, but I guess he’s not folding like a lawn chair yet.
They are all a bunch of Racists. The existence of brown people is simply too much for them
🛎️🛎️🛎️
Doesn’t trump lose horribly every time he goes after CA?
He’d have better luck waiting for something to go down in the Midwest, but yeah, w/e good luck.
Especially in a town known for its history of riots. LA is ready to kick some nazi ass at a moments notice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ocean_Resort_Baja_Mexico
He fucked up every investor by around $200,000.0 each. Lots of love for this guy to go around. Somehow he keeps buying into higher and higher places. Purchasing the seat of the US presidency may not be the end…China has a heck of a lot of people to fuck with!
Whatever side of this issue you fall on, you should at least know that, tactics-wise, joining with the LAPD to do raids in Eastside LA is not going to work how you think it will. There’s movies, albums, books, historic moments in living memory, etc. that warn about that. Start in Sacramento or wherever. Don’t expect East LA to care about your “authority.”
East LA. The best Pawnshops in America!
I don’t know history well…do tell or link some reads?
This has been going on so long that there’s an 80’s Cheech and Chong parody song about it.
The 1992 riots started in South Central, which is historically African American. East L.A. is sort of the hub of Hispanic “immigrants.” (immigrants in quotes there because America swiped that land after the Mexican-American war; lots of Hispanic Americans didn’t cross the border but had the border cross them).
I don’t live there. I’m just an enthusiastic idiot. I love Los Angeles. So, I can’t do its history justice. Hopefully, someone else can. I have friends there and I go there a fair bit but it’s not my hometown so I don’t want to misrepresent L.A. (I live in New Orleans so L.A. and LA—the postal code for Louisiana—get mixed up a lot. So, I use L.A. for the city. No one else does.)
It’s just Cheech on the song …the two had split up by that point and Tommy Chong refused to have any part of it.
My apologies. I wasn’t following their career closely when I was 7.
The Irish resistance is the closest analogue to what that kind of armed resistance would look like.
The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that’s not going to solve this. It’s just going to start a true resistance.
There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.
As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that’s when they kill them.
All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.
The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses
I hope a true resistance is born of this. We need to band together and rise up!
One word - drones.
Only useful if you know when and where someone will be. Obviously heightens surveillance capabilities, but they can’t be everywhere at once
Plus regular people can get hold of drones too.
I’m pretty sure they were throwing drones in on the side of the people, not the government.
You should look at the fields in Ukraine strewn with the fiber optic cables of 100’s of kamikaze drones.
I mean yeah the US military always has the option to raze entire cities to sniff out a resistance. I doubt that will be done
I don’t think the threat is coming from the military in this case, it’s coming from MAGA.
I hope I’m not giving too much credit for a strategy, npbut it might just be an attempt to provoke a reaction. Either California backs down or they resist and there’s an excuse to take over. Look for a bunch of masked thugs to try to arrest Newsom for “treason”
Agreed. If protestor blood is spilled, it will foment a resistance that will build.
