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    So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???

    Get the EFF out of here!!

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    Statistically it is very unlikely this would happen given the votes for other Democrats down ticket. It would be like betting on an old horse to win a race and somehow winning.

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      Other irregularities are down ballot Dwmocrat votes. That somehow selected trump he presidents. Such a statistically improbable result

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      Also from a technical and logistics perspective, Russia already hacked into a variety of polling stations over the last few years and did seemingly nothing but gather information and plan. Technically this isn’t hard or even expensive.

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    If a result like this was found in a swing state, I’d be sure it was malicious. In New York, that seems improbable. Someone clever enough to conduct the attack is unlikely to be stupid enough to employ it in a way that creates an obvious anomaly without changing the result.

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      When exploiting a vulnerability you don’t always have precise control over what you are doing.

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      From what I understand about the issue that I read about in a different article it was about software changes made to a program that many states use, PA was one of them.

      I think NY is the only place where it is currently being investigated, but if it happened here I don’t doubt it happened elsewhere.

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    Seems pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate the orange fuck as much as the next guy but this won’t change shit and is a waste of time that could be spent doing something better.

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      You do understand that if these machines were compromised, a lot more could be a well. This is the best lawsuit because there are sworn affidavits saying people voted a certain way and the results were different. Literally 0 votes.

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      The point is that if there was malfeasance, it was likely applied by an algorithm in a way that was meant to be non-obvious. But, if you’re applying any kind of broad vote-rigging algorithm to vote tallying equipment across the country…well you’re going to screw up in some cases.

      The idea would be to first find absolute definitive proof of election fraud in one precinct. Once that’s been done, you can use those result it justify broader searches. For example, if it’s found that this one area has fraud, then the NY legislature might direct funds to do a hand recount of the whole state. And other states can do the same.

      Even if it wouldn’t revert the presidential election, if fraud is found in house votes, enough blue states might be able to reverse the elections of Republican House members elected by fraud, enough to flip the balance of power in the House. Plus definitive proof of fraud would immediately make Trump lose all political legitimacy, regardless of whether there is any actual legal mechanism to remove a president from power after being proven to be fraudulently elected…well any mechanism beyond the broken impeachment mechanism.

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    I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.

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      Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc…) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.

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      Trump said months before the election that he’s got it covered and he isn’t worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.

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        I also strongly believe in their use of projecting as a preemptive defensive strategy.

        They say “you cheated you cheated you cheated!” so we reply “you’re nuts there’s no evidence, it’s all a conspiracy theory” so then they can cheat later on and turn it around on you when you go to investigate. “Oh now it’s true because you lost? Yeah yeah yeah…”

        They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(

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          They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(

          Why can’t we do psychological warfare on them? I thought they were so much dumber than us.

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            They already believe it’s happening to them which is why they refuse to listen to any source of information that isn’t from their preferred brand.

            There are plenty of intelligent MAGA that just have an innate bias that they want to have confimed so they allow themselves to be convinced by mis/disinformation. To admit you were wrong, or to accept that you misunderstood actually creates a “pain” type response that people are very adverse to, there are also the types that have so entrenched themselves in their political beliefs that it becomes their identity. This form of physiological warfare I mentioned is just one way of allowing these people to maintain their identity and to give them a “valid” defense against inconvenient information.

            Over time a person can be chipped away at, but if you always give them an answer then they never have to suffer the thought that they were ever wrong about anything so they can remain on “your side.”

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        A strongmen is elected for seeming strong. Of course he will say beforehand that he is certain that he will win. Saying anything else would harm is brand and make less people vote for him. Trump claiming to be successful at anything and everything also isn’t something new for him. He did that his entire (adult) life.

        This is evidence for Trump being a narcissist and liar, but with the amount of lies, delusional and nonsensical claims he makes, this can be hardly taken as evidence for election fraud.

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        And even:

        Yes, Trump said Musk knows vote-counting computers ‘better than anybody’

        He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.

        — trump, on stage at a victory rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 19, 2025

        The idiot can’t keep his mouth shut and basically blabbed exactly what they were doing, yet nobody really listened.

        It will never cease to astound me.

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      Hijacking the top comment to mention (as posted in more detail below) that this actually has a very logical explanation. In short, Biden also got 0 votes in some precincts, which was a total flip from 2016 where Clinton won by large margins. The difference? The community is 100% Hasidic, and community leaders met with Clinton during her Senate race while Bill was president. During this time, there were community members being indicted for a fraudulent Hasidic school. The community voted for Clinton for Senate, and shortly after Bill commuted the sentences of these community members. I.e., very possibly a quid pro quo. So that community in particular supports Clinton for this very specific reason, when Trump was still a relatively unknown quantity, and then flips to support Trump for his very aggressive support of Israel during his first term. I despise Trump, and would love him locked up, but these are cherry picked numbers that prove nothing.

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      It definitively is, he similar to trump dies not have a filter. He just counts on things being ambiguous enough that won’t affect him.

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        You might wanna call a hospital, pretty sure you were in the middle of a stroke when writing that.

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      They fully believed nobody would call them on it, partly because of the path they’d laid with the media. And they were right.

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    In Volusia County, Florida during the 2000 election Al Gore received negative votes, and I’m sure we all remember how that turned out because everyone on this site is old as fuck so let’s temper our excitement this time around.

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    I will point out that this cannot change the result of the presidential election, since Trump didn’t win the state in question anyway.

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                Casual dismissal of statistically relevant recount and largest recount ever in Wisconsin, even including compared to 2020.

                Local elections officials in 336 randomly selected municipalities across the state hand-counted 327,230 ballots as part of the 2024 audit. That is nearly 10% of all Wisconsin ballots cast in the 2024 election and the largest post-election audit ever undertaken in the state.

                The only errors found during the audit were made by people, not the vote-counting machines. And only five human errors were detected, resulting in an error rate of just 0.0000009%, according to the report.

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                  Yes. I read that. I’m also familiar with the voting village at defcon. They had years to plan and do recon. Half measures don’t cut it.

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      I will point out that if they did it in a state they weren’t going to win and that would be too suspicious for them to actually win in the first place, why wouldn’t they replicate it in a state they actually needed and on which his election actually hinged? Just means New York was a control/test case

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      Frankly after election there are two things that bugged me in California. There was a proposition that removed mandatory work requirement for inmates comparing it to a modern day slavery. There was no one who was willing to endorse vote against it (I suppose due to optics) yet the proposition failed.

      When he visited CA after fires were already put down and made that spectacle with water dam, he also mentioned that he had a good feeling about next election.

      I have a feeling that maybe CA voting is also compromised and this was a test for California, as trump winning here would be extremely suspicious, but no one will care about this proposition.

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        That one isn’t suspicious to me. US public opinion has always had very little regard for anyone who’s incarcerated. Hence, once the system gets ahold of you, you’re fucked whether you’re guilty or not (unless you’re wealthy).

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    our election was, literally, stolen. Trump and his fascists have spent years calling his loss to Biden “stolen” which ultimately harmed any real attempts at calling out future election results. many statisticians are sounding the alarm bells—something is wrong. the data doesn’t lie and the voting heavily implies manipulation. there is a group investigating our election results and making their findings public. they are very concerned with what they are uncovering.

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      Biden also received 0 votes in 2020 in these same precincts. See my comment for more details on the explanation. I do not know about the other data, but this one is a nothing burger, unfortunately.

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    Genuinely curious why time is being wasted on this? Is there any other evidence that suggests a good reason for even trying?

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          Depends on if you’re a linguist or an English teacher. Linguists only care about effective communication. Whereas language teachers tend to focus on an arbitrary standard based on tradition and accepted academic norms

          Unfortunately most people don’t have a linguistics course. Hence why the internet is full of people who think they’re “correct” but have terrible communication skills

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    Why didn’t the democrats demand hand recounts when the election was initially called? It felt like they all just rolled over and accepted defeat.

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      because that’s what the left does unless it’s against their own. it’s infuriating to watch the party fight itself harder than it’ll fight the opposition

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        To be clear, the DNC is fighting against its constituents. This is Washington politicians and funders vs. the people. Sad to say, Washington is winning.

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      Because they were following their billionaire overlord’s orders? Because they are controlled opposition?

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      Others clearly have their pitch forks ready to go but the real reason here is because they won NY. I’d be shocked if any presidential candidate in the history of the US demanded a recount in a state they won.

      Is 0 votes suspicious? Absolutely. Is the recount process the right way to uncover something happening at a scale to compromise an entire district’s election process? Probably not.

      According to Balletpedia, it’s unclear who in NY even pays for a voluntary recount (NY has mandatory recounts in close elections).

      However suspicious this district is, it’s not justification for a recount in another district in a completely different state.

      If there is interference at a meaningful scale, it’s not going to be uncovered by volunteers working without sleep to deliver election results as quickly as humanly possible. The wheels of justice turn far top slowly.

      A lawsuit is a good first step.

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        They didn’t give up. The supreme Court decided Bush won Florida, without a recount.

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            Yes, but then he un-conceded. How do you think it got to the Supreme Court unless he fought?

            He brought it to the Florida circuit court, and when he lost he appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, who ruled in his favor. Then Bush appealed to the US Supreme Court.

            The problem was a coordinated effort to steal the election by the bitch queen Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State and Bush’s Florida campaign co-chair, a fake riot by Republican operatives to disrupt a recount, and a collaborating Supreme Court. It was all tied up nicely in a bow and there wasn’t much Gore could have done, although he should have requested a statewide recount right from the start instead of just cherry picking solidly Democratic-leaning counties like Miami-Dade.

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          As Trump has shown us quite clearly, it doesn’t really matter what the Supreme Court says.

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      Because they didn’t want to be perceived as doing the same thing as the Republicans after the 2020 election. After complaining about the Republicans not having a “peaceful transfer of power,” Dems thought it was important to demonstrate how that works, and be smug about it.

      Unfortunately, this was precisely the wrong election to make that point, since this election truly was rat fucked by MAGA.

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        I’ve thought about that. But that seems like a terrible strategy, because it lets the Republicans do anything. The Republicans do a bad thing, or accuse you of doing a bad thing, and now you’re incapable of responding to it?

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          But that seems like a terrible strategy…

          I mean… we are talking about the Democrats. That’s almost their motto.

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            Yes, it’s a terrible strategy, but it’s the easiest one to default to if you are a cowardly spineless weenie Democrat who is afraid to confront serious treason and corruption, like Chuck Schumer. Traditional Dems are satisfied with losing, as long as they can feel smug about being morally superior while doing it, even if it means watching the Reps systematically dismantle America on behalf of the Russians.

            We need elected representatives at every level who aren’t afraid to go to battle to defend our country from treasonous criminals and Sociopathic Oligarchs.

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      No fuckin idea. Didn’t make sense then, either. We were so afraid to look like the crazy MAGAs. Their tactic worked.

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        “Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do”

        Not actually a quite from Goebbels or Marx, but the Republican guiding principle nonetheless.

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          Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do

          It’s ironic that Hitler’s “Night of the Long Knives” (when the Nazis arrested and eventually murdered numerous brownshirts and their leader, Ernst Roehm) acquired that name because Hitler himself used the expression in a speech that he gave immediately after the event. In the speech, he accused Roehm of having been planning a “NIght of the Long Knives” himself, directed at Hitler and the other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the phrase came to describe Hitler’s actions.

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    So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.

    On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn’t stop there.

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      Felon practically admitted this last week.

      The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?

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        Trump didn’t even try to get elected. Total fuck it all pill during his running like he knew he was going to win, then he wins by a huge margin electorally and the popular vote. It was surreal.

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          If only there was a give movement of Democrat voters telling you loudly WE WON’T VOTE FOR HARRIS…

          You guys usually love to blame us for Trump, even though we promised you he would win if you didn’t give us an electable candidate, but hey if you now want to change stories again to follow whatever dem narrative is being spun today, then yeah her winning NY so bigly is obviously evidence of a stolen election…

          Or she wasn’t electable. No no no, it’s everyone else’s fault.

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                Sure.

                But the Democrats decided not to hold a primary that late, and I don’t recall any Democrats running a meaningful challenge to her candidacy…

                So, let me ask again. Who was an electable candidate in 2024?

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                  Pete B with Tim W probably would have done significantly better even with the gay handicap with the homophobes. Especially if he got more of a running start.

                  Not a perfect candidate, but I think a lot of people underestimate how many people truly dislike Harris. For legitimate reasons and otherwise. Running a black woman who a lot of people genuinely didn’t connect with against Trump was goofy. It sucks that it’s the way it is but this is America.

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            really are some full kool aid dems or paid posters here, you would think biden failing every campaign promise, and protecting trump from prosecution would cause him a little more scorn. Trump was a known quantity, Joe was who was elected to deal with that and he absolutely dropped the ball about as hard as any other person in that office could have. Like i cant think of a way he could have sabotaged his party even if he wanted to intentionally do it rather than as an abject failure of a man

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            yup, they kicked out Hogg because of the threat to their lifelong tenures and disrupt their ability to put their thumbs on the scale for the most disappointing republican lite candidates the isreali money wants the dnc to run

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                they only people that the dems are good at fighting are their popular names trying to promote change

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            Sometimes you have to just suck it up and act/vote to reduce harm. That’s called reality. It’s like taking chemo if you have a fatal cancer. Chemo SUCKS and you might die of cancer anyway, but if you don’t go through it, you will certainly die.

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              No they dont, you don’t get to tell others how to vote. I’m not sure what happened recently but democrats especially seem to forget this fact. A persons choice to vote or not vote for any reason is valid, and the sooner people realize this the sooner we can start to mend this broken country.