Man Iran is such a destabilizing force in the region.
I think you dropped this /s
So, I appreciate this is the internet, and text does a piss poor job of communicating inflection and sarcasm, but surely there’s a limit to the necessity of the /s? This year already we’ve had to rely on the restraint of Iran to maintain a semblance of peace five or so times in the face of direct Israeli aggression. How could anyone take what I said at face value?
As shitty as this is, I think Iran is a paper tiger. Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now. I don’t think they’re going to be able to successfully counterattack in any meaningful way.
How does the attacked country being a “paper tiger” influence your judgement of whether it’s shitty or not to attack it? Is it less shitty to attack a country because it’s perceived as being weaker? Is it only shitty when the attacked country is able to defend itself? Why? That would make the Israeli genocide on Palestinians “less shitty” too, since you know, “Israel has been beating the shit out of them for years now.”
It’s an interesting moral compass you’ve got there.
I read his post as “as shitty as this is, it’s not likely to break out into a full scale war we’ll get pulled into”. It’s not about it being morally okay, or at least I didn’t take it that way.
Exactly. Israel (and the US) will bully Iran but it’s not going to turn into WW3, as some commenters are suggesting. Iran just isn’t very threatening militarily anymore.
Until russian and china interests get too much affected
Ahh, ok, got it. So it’s out of an extraordinary callous attitude where bombing of people is shitty when and only when they impact my life.
I think you’re putting words in their mouth with that view. That’s not what was said at all.
How does the attacked country being a “paper tiger” influence your judgement of whether it’s shitty or not to attack it?
It’s the “I’m the center of the world and this does not look like it’s going to affect ME so everything is alright” point of view
Let see what happen when china interests get significally harmed and a world war 3 would happen
Punching down is generally frowned upon.
They are attacking Israel all the time, who do you think is funding Hamas?
Let’s talk about who do you think is RECRUITING for Hamas first.
who do you think is funding Hamas?
Israel and Iran.
Israel is the snot-nosed brat who runs and screams to the US while causing problems for everyone. If the US stopped propping up that sequel to nazi germany, we’d see who’s the real paper tiger.
They literally proved they had munitions that could defeat Israel’s air defenses just a few months ago.
Right, so more genocide?
Iran is one of the biggest instigators of genocide in the Middle East. Their proxy terrorist groups have been systematically wiping out religious minorities for decades now.
No, western proxies did that. Not resistance groups fighting an occupying force
I think some resistance can be genocidal.
Resistance can’t be genocidal because the only goal is stopping the oppressor from oppressing the oppressed . The only genocidal state in the middle east is israel
Some Kurds might differ from you.
Ditto some women who think that they are entitled to the same rights as menfolk have, as well as the LGBTQI2Ss.
Just to be clear. You aren’t saying Genocide justifies Genocide right?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. How did you even get that from what I said?
You replied to Bristlecone asking:
Right, so more genocide?
With some information about how Iran does genocide, does that not imply it?
Or do you just randomly post history in threads for no reason?
Do you have a brand new account because your last one got banned for trolling?
No sadly my old account was on lemme.ee, which was shutdown due to lack of admins stepping up. I was a member in good standing as far as I know.
Wait a second. You think this is trolling? How long have you been on the internet for?
Unless you don’t think I’m trolling, but you are embarrassed because I correctly called you out. And now you’re trying to distract everyone from your bad position by pointing a finger at me.
Who knows?
Wake up babe, hot new axis of terror just dropped.
It’s an old one. The US has been aligned wirh Israel for decades.
posting on lemmy from 1948… wow
All those morons who voted for trump hope you enjoy being even more broke for the next decade and your sons going to war to die so rich cunts can get richer
good thing I stoped giving a shit if their kids die.
Guess I’m dead. Good riddance.
Of course with the exception of those who know their parents are shit
This is one of those cases where both sides really are the same.
Iran is a paper tiger. A war of that scale can only be fought if the other side has the capabilities to fight back, Iran does not.
So much of a paper tiger that thry need support for all the west
What has Iran done that actually constitutes a proportional response? Every time they get humiliated by Israel, they shoot a bunch of empty missles and then claim that they destroyed Tel Aviv, even though more than 90% of their missles don’t hit anything.
Videos show the opposite of what you claim
What videos? Besides we’re going off of assessed damage. Israel kills Haniyeh in Tehran and Iran shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel kills 20+ of their top commanders in one night and Iran again shoots a bunch of empty missles that barely hit anything. Israel neuters Hezbollah, Iran does nothing. Israel bombs the Iranian embassy in Syria, and Iran does nothing. Mossad agents have been confirmed being literally everywhere in the Iranian state, and they do nothing.
Iran hasn’t done any percesion strikes or targeted assassinations or caused any damage to Israeli defenses or destroyed any critical Israeli infrastructure or any covert intelligence operations. They’ve done nothing because they can’t do anything. The Iranian regime literally made destroying Israel a core part of their identity, and over the past few years, Israel has been destroying them without any pushback. For a regime that brags about their prowess and capabilities, why haven’t they used them already? The answer is simple, Iran is a paper tiger.
Videos of israeli filming the damage despite israel trying to censor them. There is already dozens of reported injured israelis.
The real plan is to do a regime change it won’t happen
Are you hearing yourself? You sound ridiculous.
Results of Israel’s attacks:
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20+ of the IRGC’s top commanders
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Invaluable nuclear scientists
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Military systems sabatoged
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Nuclear facilities damaged
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Airfields and other critical infrastructure damaged
Results of Iran’s retaliation:
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A couple dozen Israeli civilian injuries
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A few damaged buildings
These are not at all comparable. Clearly did way more damage to the Iranian regime, and Iran’s response is undeniably weaker.
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Yeah, I am a bit shocked at Iran’s level of incompetence. Lol, I remember when Kamala confidently proclaimed that “Iran is America’s biggest adversary.”
Don’t blame it just on trump voters, any cents you ever paid to the government also went into this.
As if this only started under Trump…
Him pouring gasoline on the fire sure as shit didn’t help.
Not did it help when Biden did, what’s your point?
Biden was not nearly critical enough towards Israel, he did not stop supplying them with weapons, but it seemed like he was at least not happy with what Netanyahu is doing. Trump, on the other hand, is very clear in his explicit approval and practically daring Israel to do more. There is a difference.
Both are bad, both are wrong, but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.
but it seemed like
Pure vibes based politics
The fan fiction you’ve written in your head to justify your teams support of genocide does not actually make a real difference.
In the real world, the one where facts matter, Biden was full throated and active in his support of Israel, to the point of going up and repeating lies about beheaded babies.
but even you have to be able to see that one option is worse than the other.
It’s telling that even you cannot justify the actual actions of the Biden administration, so you have to make up your own fantasy version to defend them.
The only difference between Trump and Biden on Israel is that, under Trump, liberals like you stop engaging in mass genocide denialism to defend their team.
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Whataboutism is the tool of the enemy.
Training you to use thought terminating cliches like that is the work of the enemy.
Biden didn’t start the fire. It’s been burning since the world was turning.
You thinking that are just two type of voters is disgusting, blame the system that allows for just two parties not the people.
The system is bad!
…
Participate in it!
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Followed predictably by Iran directly attacking Tel Aviv.
no f ing shit
Iran has the right to defend itself.
World War 6?
I know they’ve tried but does Iran really have any viable nuclear capability? Or is it just like Iraq where the hydro-electric aluminium tubes are justification?
Existing is justification. Anything to keep the illiterate masses cowed.
Let’s not make them out to be saints, either. They’re very squarely aligned witb China and Russia.
To be fair, they really don’t have any other option. They’ve already made the US a long-term enemy both culturally and politically, and, despite that, Iran still seeks to be a key geopolitical player. There aren’t many other avenues for that in the short term, which is all that usually matters for a dictatorship.
Things will be shaking up in the next few years, so let’s see whether they’ll continue to be perceived as antagonistic to the world at large as the US shifts into goblin mode and khamenei kicks the bucket, hopefully loosening oppression.
Building Nuclear Weapons solve exactly zero of their problems. Just look at North Korea as an example. I also don’t really like the prospects of another civil war in the Middle East.
Iran’s core problem in Geopolitics, lack of foreign investment despite an increasingly educated population, is due to their own underinvestment in agriculture and stifled private-sector growth due to government corruption and collusion. Most of their exports are oil and gas in most years. They recently had a multiple year recession where GDP continuously shrank.
Compare them to other middle eastern regions like Afghanistan which provides the majority of the world’s real Saffron and a hefty sum of Gold, Turkey which exports Cars, or Syria which exports Olive Oil. Iran has the climate and resources to expand and diversify in a lot of sectors but instead it continues to cut government subsidies and increase taxes, it’s just not sustainable.
Wow, way to try to sound educated while just pulling stuff out of your ass. Under investment in agriculture? Lol. Afghanistan is the major supplier of saffron that Iran should learn from? How about Iran being the producer of close to 90 percent of the total global production. Spreading fake info poisons the information on Lemmy for all. Truly pathetic behavior.
Since you don’t know how to cite sources, the citation on Wikipedia says a BBC article claims Iran produces 90% of the world’s supply but due to sanctions due to their geopolitics and nuclear weaponization project it gets repackaged and sold as products of other countries like Spain, which would probably contribute to my being misinformed if true.
However I am not pulling anything out of my ass, Iran cut many former Agriculture Subsidies in the last decade, likely due to the aforementioned sanctions not allowing them to actually sell the product directly.
I honestly don’t know enough about economics to dispute anything you’ve said. I will point out that this dispute is nearly entirely unrelated to nuclear capabilities, though. Were both Israel and Iran to both disarm their nuclear capabilities, they’d both still seek to tear into one another for a host of theology-adjacent reasons.
The west made iran their enemy by backing up the shah just because they wanted to nationalize oil
From what I’ve heard, their strategy has been to stall at being 6 months away from a bomb. They could’ve finished their program a while ago if they wanted to, North Korea did it with far less resources. They don’t do it because:
- It puts them in the dangerous MAD nuclear game theory with Israel
- It would make them into a pariah state like North Korea and close off any possibility of sanctions relief.
They still want to be somewhat ready though for situations like this where full scale war with Israel is inevitable so if they can survive the war for 6 months they can do a test, establish nuclear sovereignty and get Israel to back off.
That’s a really interesting theory, I think it has a lot of merit.
Honestly though, they should probably just complete the project. i’d bet Israel’s whole attitude would shift once they actually had nukes.
They have the capability but they’re not there yet. They’re trying to get there, but every time they make progress Israel bombs them back to square. It’s been an effective strategy to stall Iran’s ability to get nukes.
Why are you confidently spouting nonsense all over the place? When has Israel bombed an Iranian nuclear site, ever? When you say “every time they make progress Israel bombs them”, you should be able to at least name a couple of times that has happened, right? Come on, look it up, you should be able to find at least one case. No? Stop spreading info you’ve pulled out of your rectum, people like you are the reason nothing online can be trusted. It’s poison, so please stfu when you have no idea what you’re talking about. This doesn’t make you sound smart, it makes you a nuisance.
Are you certain that Iran isn’t developing nukes?
When has Israel bombed an Iranian nuclear site, ever?
Bro you need to read the news before you go off XD
Did you read the article you’re commenting on?
They been killing nuclear scientist fo two decade
I mean it’s some pretty serious overstepping… Nobody even does that to North Korea, even though they get ever closer to developing a ballistic missile, something capable of delivering a nuke (which they do have). But nobody is bombing NK… Why? Because that’s a fucking act of war!
Bombing Iranian facilities is just an egregious breach of their sovereignty. If on the other hand, some country tried that against the US, it would be a major international incident as soon as they crossed into our airspace, regardless of whether they deployed a single munition. But if they did hit a target, a completely unproportional retaliatory bombing campaign would ensue.
And the only reason Israel gets away with this dangerously aggressive behavior is that they have the military might of the US at their back. They believe they’re untouchable because they assume the US will always be an ally. And truth be told, it’s all a terrible policy for their own longevity. Some day, eventually, we’ll have a president with a conscience and a Congress that supports them, and then we’ll stop giving weapons to Israel. And on that day Israel will finally have to take responsibility for their actions, and we’ll see what their neighbors really think of them. Until then, they continue to dig themselves into a deeper hole, convinced that it’s the safest way forward.
Welp, we had a good run. See ya in the trenches. Or whatever.
Irans government will implode, nobody will need to be deployed there.
Yeah, cause governments tend to implode when the countries arch enemy attacks them…
Hamas hasn’t even imploded, and the people have way more reason to blame them for their current situation than the Iranians can blame their government for pursuing a nuclear program that most of the country agreed with.
No matter how unpopular a government is there, they’re still going to be more popular than Israel, and people will rally around any flag to fight their flagrant aggression.
The Iranian protests against their Supreme Leader dwarfed the Gazan protests against Hamas.
The dynamics are way different.
If I have to bludgeon you to death for the last tin of beans in a radioactive wasteland, its nothing personal.
Fuck Israel and all, but Iran is far too weak to retaliate in a meaningful way and start ww3
I don’t know what trench I’ll end up in if I get drafted. Greenland? Canada? Panama? Iran?
I hope Iran. I think they’ve got the best food of the options on offer. Plus, no cold winters!
L.A.
Too soon
Or any of several major U.S. cities, all of them very blue.
I’ve never been happier to be 37.
Draft age changes throughout history, but the latest I found was 45 during WWI, and 37 during WWII. https://www.the-sun.com/news/4762385/maximum-age-for-us-military-draft/
If you’re young, left-leaning and able-bodied, leave the fucking United States. If you can’t, then waste as much of our Military’s time and money as possible while deployed. You’ll be among friends who all don’t want to be there either.
American tax-payers fund the US military and similar.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
The exact copy paste comment is weird
yeah. It was when genocide apologists were saying it about netanyahu’s genocidal apartheid regime, too. So get used to it.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
The Zionist regime will kill us all
No worries, only isolated or poorer countries get attacked. They won’t attack countries they sign deals with, and countries that can actually respond
Inshallah, Trump abandons Israel to deal with Iran by themselves because he doesn’t want to be blamed for WWIII.
You think he has that forethought? Or thought at all?
Trump abandon Israel because he’s a coward who only barks behind the fence.
There won’t be a WWIII because Iran can’t do anything to Israel
that’s almost certainly how he plays it for at least a day. but who knows when that message will flip and then flop back. and who knows when any messages will line up with any actions.
and besides all that, regardless of what americans say or do, what will the iranians do to the Americans?
Fuck Israel and their bs
Fuck sexist and homophobic theocracy.
Which one? They’re all like that.
Indeed, though Mosaddegh lived over 70 years ago and I’ve read nothing bad about him on that issue, so I’ll give him a pass for now.
Fuck pinkwashing apartheid.
I agree, fuck Israel!
I wonder why Iran has a theocracy instead of a democracy. They used to have a democracy, what happened to it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d’%C3%A9tat
Mosaddegh was overthrown.
About 25 years after that, the Shah was overthrown by a sexist and homophobic theocracy.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran, not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites. If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
If Iran’s mode of government were really the casus belli of Israel’s attacks, they would be providing support for revolutionary movements within Iran,
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
not bombing their capital city including civilian apartment buildings and claiming that they’re only targeting nuclear sites.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
If having a government that denies equal rights to certain groups is justification enough for attacks on civilian populations in the capital, think about what that means for Tel Aviv.
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
For the record, I don’t really support these strikes, but neither am I terribly passionate in opposing them for reasons I’ve stated.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US and Israel were doing a little of such, though the contributions would hardly be significant.
wp:International Railroad for Queer Refugees doesn’t seem to be getting much support from Israel.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Such places might have stuff and people of interest, but yeah, they’ve been saying that a lot about their targets in Gaza.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part. Perhaps you should examine that?
and if Hamas, Islamic Jihad, et al narrowed their attacks to just soldiers, cops, many of the politicians, and settlers, I wouldn’t have much of a problem with it.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs. Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You should be more passionate in opposing them because this shit is the closest we’ve ever been to WW3 and Israel only seems interested in further escalation.
We’ve been far closer to WWIII in the past.
Iran is not (enough of) a Russian ally.
Gee, I wonder why that is. It couldn’t be that Israel doesn’t give a shit about equal rights, being a fascist ethnostate themselves, surely. This isn’t a “both sides” situation, Israel is clearly the aggressor, and no good can possibly come from this.
Iran has been helping Israel’s enemies—Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Assad gang—and chanting “Death to Israel” (and “Death to America”) for decades. When it comes to needlessly killing Arabs, I’m not sure who’s worse: US or Iran.
It’s interesting that your instinct is to assume some level of good faith on Israel’s part.
I don’t really: at least not these past several years.
Perhaps you should examine that?
Perhaps I should.
The standard of violence is set by the oppressor. It’s a clear double standard that you speak charitably about Israel’s attacks on civilians immediately before dismissing others for theirs.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Not to mention the massive difference in scale.
You might have an argument there: the legitimate-targets-to-innocent-civilian ratio of Hamas on 7 October 2023 versus Israel’s response.
Why the united snake don’t bomb saudis then?
Probably because their foreign policy is hypocritical.
because you are the hypocrite
Prove it.
People just have to read your comment to know that you are
What comment?
I’d be OK with attacking “nuclear, military sites”, but from the videos it looks like a load of apartments buildings bombed.
You’re ok with wars of aggression?
Well it’s been going on for about 40 years so far… Military targets are valid targets (and certainly better than carpet bombing civilians, which Israel also do a lot of), and to be clear, Iran are not interested in nuclear for it’s clean energy potential.
Nobody wants nuclear proliferation but a religious fundamentalist state (and the US and Pakistan and even North Korea, for all their insanity, at least stop short of that) having them would be Bad Times.
What next you are going to advocate to hit china military target and bring death and destruction to your own country?
God westerners are hypocrites. I’m guessing you still whine about Russia breaking international law even though you’re just straight up admitting you don’t care about international law at all.
The sexist and homophobic ISLAMIC Republic of Iran sends arms to Russia to aid in their invasion and attempted conquest of Ukraine, and their continued occupation of parts of Ukraine.
I oppose the genocide of Gazans, but Iran’s whining about Israel attacking their regime rings a bit hollow for me.
You imposed heavy sanctions on iran because they didn’t want to be a western puppet then you wonder why they have to go support russia. What next you will ask to bomb china next and start a world war 3?
The genocidals imperial western power support a terrorist jewish state ruked by extremist occupting palestine for 57 years
Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran’s sexism and homophobia?
So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?
Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.
Do you support what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
No I don’t unlike you supporting the terrorist state occupation Palestinians for 57 years
Do you support the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran’s sexism and homophobia?
No , i support Iranians themselves deal with the regime . I don’t support killing Iranians under the pretext of helping democracy
So why grieve when some mullarch or Reactionary Guard leader bites the dust?
Because the terrorist state of Israel is a genocidal state currently committing a genocide and like to kill the most number of civilians
Europe was for the most part an antisemitic genocidal shit-hole for Jews before they were arguably dumped in Palestine where they could at least be safe; and the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel.
You are so stupid to think that enforcing a state on local people would make jew safe anywhere that have nothing to do with the holocaust . After Nazism was defeated jews was going to live safe where they was.
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Please don’t put that guys opinion on all westeners. Most Danes agree that Israel are way out of line for instance, and our prime minister has officially denounced their behavior in Gaza.
The world is nuanced, and generalizing about large populations of people is never right. When you do that you are putting blame on a lot of innocent people, and demonizing people only makes it harder to work towards a better world.
Oh they “call for” do they? Are they going to send a strongly worded letter next?
Meanwhile they continue to materially support Israel, and even their token objection is just to ask Israel to let more aid into the blasted killing fields, not to actually stop the genocide.
Uh, apartments are small and house parents with their children… aka a nuclear family. So, checkmate, library.
/s (jesus christ it’s depressing that’s necessary)
