I was really into punk music when I was a kid since the late 80s/early 90s, then the big boom happened in the mid-late 90s, which eventually yielded to pop punk and emo music from the early 2000s. I kid you not, I was bullied as a kid for liking punk music, before it became mainstream.
I still listen to it and I’ve even seen a resurgence coming as it coinciding with the 20 year nostalgia cycle, which is great in my opinion. But being a punk fan before it achieved mainstream success and after it went into decline by 2010s made me feel exactly as this post describes.
Punk was big in the late 70s - mid 80s, though? I thought the big boom was early 80s. It was buried under things like nu-metal and emo in the late 90s (I’m fuzzy on this because of reasons).
Moopet casually crushing a lemming’s self-image
correct, should’ve clarified, I was big into what was at the time, old-school punk. As I was not alive in the late 70s.
I welcomed the punk-rock wave of the 90s with open arms.
It was buried under things like nu-metal and emo in the late 90s (I’m fuzzy on this because of reasons).
there was stuff like the offspring and green day , them sum41 as a death throe.
source : was into 2/3
Green day, offspring, and sum41 are all very solidly in the pop/punk genre, debatably leaning more pop…
Yes they are. I count it as pop punk.
Totally punk, you know what isn’t? being an elitist about a music genres, specially punk
Idk if that’s elitism. It’s more calling a spade a spade. Punk at its core is about recapturing the simplicity and energy of early pre-british invasion rock. That doesn’t really lend itself to ballads and concept albums. It’s not about denigrating green day so much as finding a definition that fits them better.
The Epic of Gilgamesh
Blud thinks it’s c. 2100–1200 BCE
I remember that damn ad on TV back in in 2009. It was for SakuraCon, a annual Anime convention in Seattle.
I went there once with a group of friends. Made anime look uncool very fast.
I see more people aware of it today, but was there a burst in pop culture with idiots that then died down? The people who talk about it today seem pretty genuine and get good reception.
Yeah, it got really popular when the Bible dropped in the 2nd century BCE. The Noah flood story was basically a copy-and-paste of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Bible nerds were annoying af.
yeah sorry Anon, go fuck yourself and your nazi skull flag. That shit’s the Totenkopf, what, did the new generation of chuds ruin Nazi for you? Poor fuckin’ baby.
Now, now it is only a Totenkopf if it is from a distinct region of Germany.
ah yes the death’s head valley
Thanks for the important context. I’d assumed it was a pirate flag until I read your comment and then looked it up. Fuck this particular anon.
gotta call out the nazis at every turn otherwise the place will turn into a nazi bar.
that’s 4chan for you. id be less disturbed by the amount of nazis on 4chan and more by the amount of lemmings that agree with Anon on any given subject
Maybe a “Death in June” band shirt. Which makes things … well… I dunno. Probably not better.
was not familiar with them…
from their wiki - had performed at rallies for The Right to Work, Rock Against Racism, and the Anti-Nazi League. -
holy shit this is a ride
“The Totenkopf-6 is a slightly grinning skull, framed by a circle and a small 6 in the lower right corner. Death in June has, since at least the State Laughter / Holy Water 7″, used variations of the Prussian Totenkopf or “Death’s Head” symbol. Indeed, there is another explanation that has been given by Pearce, he has also stated that it symbolises “total commitment” to the group, akin to the total commitment of soldiers of the SS”
ah… getting to the shit that matters -
“The Southern Poverty Law Center considers Death in June to be white power music harboring neo-Nazi sympathies.”
yeeeaah this all fits
I was a goth in my youth and they were among the more controversial bands. They could be just edge lords or Nazis. The guys that listened to them turned out to be Nazis, so there’s that.
it’s certainly an interesting nuance. ty for the tip
I was in the scene at the same time and me and my friends were always making fun of neofolk bands and their fans, because its such boring music and simply copying clothing styles of the 1940s, fitting to the boring mind of a nazi
They could be just edge lords or Nazis.
I refuse to make a distinction anymore. If you “joke” about being a Nazi, you’re a Nazi.
I used to think the nazi edgelord stuff was kind of funny, because I found it absurd.
The idea that anyone acting like a nazi was ‘actually’ a nazi never crossed my mind, because I genuinely thought we as a species had collectively agreed that being a nazi is the closest thing to pure evil.
Oh how wrong I was.
Yeah been saying ‘Casuals Ruin Everything’ for a while now
The internet
immediately where my mind went.
From “haha, raspberriesareyummy will marry his computer one day” to most everyone around me constantly staring at their whatsapp, tiktok or “talking” with siri/alexa.
Fuck this shit :(
I’ve been online since 1995. I weep for what we lost. The web should have stayed a nerd domain. We’d have been better off as a society.
Absolutely. The biggest individual loss for me was the usenet. That was the first time google showed its true, evil and ugly face - by introducing tons of people who had no idea what the usenet was via google groups.
The second blow was when people no longer required any technical knowledge whatsoever to “go online”, because ISPs sold internet access complete with a router that took care of the connection.
The third blow was when every idiot and their mom who have no idea how to operate a computer or a keyboard got access to the internet via mobile devices with touchscreens and an app for everything.
Eventually, the absolute enshittification of centralized social media (ongoing).
And now - AI slop.
Exactly. Back in 1995, my dad could never get online. Heck, he couldn’t even remotely figure out a PC. We tried to teach him some basics like ‘click with the left mouse button to open something’, but he was downright scared of the thing. He never, ever touched it.
But ‘thanks’ to the iPad, he’s e-mailing, on Facebook, on YouTube, TikTok etc. Which also has the unfortunate effect of subjecting him to boomer brainrot. He’s now more actively misinformed than he used to be because of that fucking iPad.
We’ve made the web accessible to people who shouldn’t be on it. Because it’s hurting them and hurting society as a whole.
We’ve made the web accessible to people who shouldn’t be on it. Because it’s hurting them and hurting society as a whole.
Did we do that though? Or was it some hardware / software developers with no backbone to stand up to greedy corporations who wanted to make it accessible? Other than that - yes, sadly I agree.
Oh god I heard that constantly as a kid. Gah. Now they’re all married to Facebook and don’t know how to use it. Oh well.
I’m so sorry that they called you that
But raspberries are yummy
My ex wife and I used to take a chess board everywhere, play in cafes, parks, restaurants, pubs. It was something to do when we had run out of stuff to say to each other. It was a conversation starter, people would come up and have a sticky, or ask us who’s winning. Some people would occasionally ask if they can play. It was nice. Until Queens Gambit was all the rage. Then people seemed to assume we were just following that trend, and there was a noticeable increase in people saying “Queens Gambit eh?” And we stopped taking the board out so much.
anime
it’s become waay too popular and drowned in a sea of mediocrity
eh it hasn’t declined in popularity to the point people think you’re talking about some ancient thing when you mention it
Now they don’t even bother with localization anymore… which would be a good thing except now we have screens full of untranslated onscreeb Kanji that the story demands you be able to read and overly long and literal titles like “The Time I Gained The Power To Turn My Sister’s Panties Into Angelic Guns By Meeting God On The Planet Golbacky While Drinking My Juice In The Hood That Tuesday Night.” Which aren’t even what people in Japan call the show since even in the tongue of Nippon that’d take too dang long.
Hell you’re lucky if there’s even a dub at all. Let alone one that hasn’t been beaten to the ground by politics
meh, i don’t mind watching undubbed anime; anything that’s “internationalized” is probably watered down anyways … i wanna see raw, undiluted japanese weirdness
Yeah but I usually am multi-tasking and can’t pay full attention. So it being in English is helpful
I got into anime when you had to go to shitty distributor conventions, in shitty city limits hotels, and walk through a big room filled with smoke, rifling through boxes of tapes, while greasy guys in cheap suits tried to talk you into buying shit. The other option were shoddily scanned, black and white, prints of distro catalogues you could order from. They would always be companies you never heard of, from buildings in weird places, and you could never know if you were actually going to get something, or just lose that money. The Sci Fi channel would have saturday morning anime, which would play, uncensored, stuff, but generally only the biggest hits. So it would cycle through Akira, Vampire Hunter D, Bubble Gum Crises, and about a dozen others.
It started to get a better at the end of the 90s, when you had a couple larger distros that came on to the scene, and you could reliably get what you paid for. They would also always have previews of other anime they were selling before the movie started, and it was likely set to some KMFDM track. Then in the 2000s is when it sorts hit a sweet spot, it was easy to get, there were multiple options on TV, and it hadn’t quite yet become totally mainstream. Haven’t really bothered with it much since then. Sometimes I will get recommendations from people I know I can trust to not be suggest the millionth iteration of watered down Fist of the North Star, fan service vehicles, or things that are just collages of bad anime tropes turned into a show.
That’s like saying too many people listen to music and it’s flooded with mediocrity, there’s a lot of really unrelated genres and time periods, and trends that come and go continually, like everything there’s a big amount of meh tier work.
I’ll be honest here; anime has always been a large sea of mediocrity, with the few sprinklings of stuff that is occasionally actually good, and some incredibly rare few things that are consistently good.
I think it’s a right place / right time sort of thing. I have never gone back and rewatched an old favorite without regretting it. Things that meant a lot to me at the time just hit different from a different head space, and revisiting that old space just makes the flaws more noticeable.
yeah actually that closely matches my observations
Right? Like the reason it was so popular in the early 2000s is because we got all the good stuff at once.
did people even read the last 3 green lines?
It’s equally as bad when you discover you like something that has been around for a while and has lots of fans and you don’t get accepted or realise you don’t want to be part of the fans because of how shitty, toxic, dumb etc. they are. A relevant example for this is Assassin’s creed for me. I never like any of the games until AC: Origins, even though I gave most of them a fair shake. AC: Origins is a 10/10 for me, I put in over 600h hours into that game, 100%'ed it and all its expansions/dlc. AC: Odyssey is good too, but I never got as into it, so a 8/10. Valhalla never looked good in any way so never even tried it. Started playing Shadows about a week ago and really enjoying it so far, not as good as Origins but mostly better than Odyssey. But damn do people not like when I mention this, like I’m not allowed to like it because I didn’t like the earlier games. I have no issue with people liking them and not the ones I do, never said anything else. Music is a lot like this too. “Oh, you like their newer stuff? Fucking idiot, only the early stuff is good, I now see down on you as a person and hate every opinion you have”.
When games have a perceived quality shift people will attack the newer fans because they see them as the reason why the company is allowed to “get away” with producing the worse thing. I don’t know how you can avoid that and still have a community that holds the thing they love to a standard. Some communities just like to fight about which games better, Im not really sure what else there is to even talk about with assassins creed (i’ve only played 2 of the games so idk).
There’s way too much gatekeeping in gaming. People don’t seem to understand that everyone has different tastes, and it’s all subjective. There is no objectively good game. For me it’s Half Life 2, I don’t like shooters, tried it but couldn’t get into it. But to many it’s one of the greatest games ever.
There are objectively good games. There are not objectively fun games.
Half-Life 2 is objectively good, and if you say it’s a bad game you’re simply wrong. However if you say it’s a game you do not enjoy and isn’t fun for you, that’s not wrong.
A game can be both good and not enjoyable to you.
Conversely, a game can also be objectively bad and yet fun for some people.
If you mean good = game works as intended and bad = buggy mess, then it can be objective sure. But gameplay, design, story, structure are all subjective. In those ways HL2 is a bad game to me, that doesn’t mean it is for everyone, and no one should be offended by that.
Roguelikes. I’m not saying some of the modern roguelites aren’t fantastic, there are many that are. But the genre boom has all but pushed traditional roguelikes (NetHack, ADoM, Angband, Brogue, etc) out of the conversation.
Brogue is fucking sick, man.
Brogue
damn that brings back dnd.exe sessions
My best experience so far was with Dungeon Crawl. I love their “no farming” philosophy.
What’s wild is that the nethack source is so easy to read and understand, that it is trivial to add new content. I’d like to see some of the mechanics from the newer gen roguelikes like Shattered Pixel Dungeon make it back into trad nethack
I love how hard they gatekeep /r/roguelikes to keep it true to the genre. One of my favorite things is going there to watch all the modern clueless “roguelike” lovers get downvoted to oblivion.
NetHack, ADoM, Angband, Brogue
One of those things is not like the others.
Also you’re missing Elona (2007), game where your wizard can dual wield rifles while riding on an abomination with the head of your pet cat, body of a tyrannosaurs rex and 8 claymore wielding human arms taken from your gene slaves. Or get rich while playing a piano and finish the game by using that sweet sweet moneh hiring adventures and sending them to die exploring the BBEG lair.
All with cheerful pokemon-like gameboy graphics.
Serial Experiments Lain. I managed to acquire a bootleg Japanese VHS of the show (sans subtitles) in '99 or '00 and fell in love. I bought the English dub as soon as I could find it. I was totally obsessed, even going as far as carrying a messenger bag like Lain had, and making a custom Windows XP theme based on Navi. I even bought a Palm Pocket to mimic the smartphones shown in the show.
Lain shaped my passion for IT, and I feel it changed my life in profound ways.
I’m confused by the sudden popularity. It went under the radar for so long. Now all of the merch goes for insane amounts of money.
Shit man i bought that on dvd centuries ago
I watched the first ep of that a week ago. Its a beautiful show, but to me its kind of ruined because instead of experiencing it as something new and experimental i experience it as an already established pop culture. I’ll still watch it but i probably wont lainmaxx like most of the nerds who watched it in their formative years.
No shit, that’s back?
I loved it when I watched it in my youth. The theme song still pops up on my playlist once in a while. I did try to rewatch it like 5-10 years ago but it didn’t connect like it did when I was young. Still, lots of fond memories from it and how much it inspired me.
I’ve been wondering when it would come around again.
Nazi ideology, OP OP. There was a nice little thing we had once, until you cunts took it up like a hoard of malignant nihilist pussies 😒Now we can’t even bring up the Third Reich’s many incredible qualities in conversation without someone rolling their eyes! n-chan numpties ruin every fandom.
/ss
lmao about the /ss
Underrated comment
I hate that 4chan losers have somehow become the face of nihilism.
Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least it’s an ethos
Fuck me, Dude. Nihilists?
Fun fact, I recently learned it’s meant to be pronounced nee-hilism. But if you ever call it that in real life nobody will know what you’re talking about.
I’m in the same boat with a few others here when it comes to some games like Halo and Fallout. But I feel like I’m on the brink with 2 new ones:
- Doom: I played the original when I was a kid and got bullied for it (or probably being a general nerd). 2016 and Eternal were really popular and the franchise took off; but Dark Ages feels off. I played Dark Ages for a bit, put it down, and haven’t picked it up since. I think Doom is going down the shitter, especially what they did to Mick Gordon.
- Mother Mother (a band): My SO and I love their music for how unique and interesting it is; and we went to one of their first concerts at a small venue when they came into town ~10 years ago ish? Must have been <500 people. Generally no one else liked their music we shared it with, so we kept it to ourselves. Now? We went to another one a few months ago and it was at a HUGE stadium; absolutely packed. I think one of their songs went viral on TikTok - My Daddy’s got a gun. We’re proud of what they’ve accomplished, but really hope they don’t lose their identity in trying to become even more popular.
TIL Mother Mother is popular now. Loved O My Heart back in the day
This was from the concert. Pretty packed
Not to that extent, but crypto. I think its an amazing and really interesting technology. But now it’s tainted by scammers and when people hear the term, they get defensive because they are ready for you to scam them
Feels bad man
Ive learned a bit off a on about crypto, but never got “into it”. When I first started learning it looked like a really interesting concept with a lot of potential uses.
I can’t remember the details at this point, but when looking at bitcoin I remember seeing so many problems. There was the transaction price, speed, and complexity. There was the insanity of all the wasted energy to “mine” bitcoin. Most importantly, it didn’t make sense to me as a currency. Currency needs to be stable, easy to exchange, and easy to use to buy things. Bitcoin always seemed like a really cool prototype that needed a successor or major revisions.
Then the masses (and braindead hype bros and “visionary” corporate types) jumped on it and turned it into the shit show it is today. When people would get excited about it (“price is going up! Gotta buy now!”), it was clear they either didn’t really know what it was or were trying to hype it to get more money pumped into it. When friends or family brought it up, I’d point out that it didn’t really have any use except as speculation. I’d tell them they if they wanted to gamble, go for it, but they should realize that it doesn’t have intrinsic value (just like all the other currencies) and, as it stands, it’s a really shitty currency. Know that people aren’t buying it because it works well. People are buying it because the price is going up.
People have made a lot of money (or theoretical money if they’re still holding), but it still doesn’t seem like it actually gets used for anything but speculation. The $2+ trillion USD market cap for bitcoin makes my head spin. I’ve always thought that bitcoin was a dead end and would eventually be dethroned by something more viable, but here we still are.
I haven’t looked at cryptocurrencies in a while. Any notable progress in the last 5 or so years toward it being more than a money making gamble?
Bitcoin hasn’t made much progress. There are some layers on top of it that let you send instantly and cheaply, but they are at best impractical (for lightning, of you want to be able to receive money you have to create a channel with a “server” node and them spend bitcoin which buy you liquidity to receive money. Utterly worthless)
The two I have my sights right now are monero and ltc. Both of those let you send pretty fast and with less than a cent fee
There is a tech that is called proof of stake that means that mining is waaaay more energy efficient but none of those are implementing it. I’ve heard it has drawbacks but I’m not sure I understand them
Also monero is mined in a way that buying GPUs or ASIC (mining specialized hardware) is not worth it. You get better results on a CPU, making mining more accessible for everyone
Both of those have confidential transactions so no one know who sends who how much money nor how much money each part has. Which is pretty cool
It’s called Monero, aka XMR. Typo there.
I know what i said
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~I’ll edit now~
While not to the same degree as a lot of folks, Fallout got into it some time around New Vegas because it was featured on game fly. Anyways delved headfirst into it and fell in love with the classic games. The post Fallout 4 boom gives me a headache sometimes I just want to talk with old bastards and my fellow autists about Fallout without some profligate butting in cause they watch the TV show.
Russerfrushenrushen kids and their first person fallout games. All my homes know best fallout is third person isometric turn based.
Technically that includes Brotherhood of Steel, careful there that game is still actively worse than anything Bethesda has made.
Eh, I remember enjoying it, though never played it again so 🤷 possibly nostalgia. It was just not an open world or rpg.
Oh wait, I was thinking of fallout tactics. BOS was like wasteland skinned diablo right? That is, not turn based so not in my original grumpy old man comment.
Yeah it was the one with Ballz energy drink instead of nuka cola. I was just poking fun since isometric can sometimes include top down.
I was lucky enough to have played fallout 3 before new Vegas. So the series for me went from “that was fun, interesting setting” to “Wow this is genuinely amazing and feels like a living world that I’m inhabiting and interacting with.”
And then fallout 4 came out, and I was hoping that Bethesda would have learned something from New Vegas. But that was foolish, modern Bethesda doesn’t write stories, they don’t understand characters, they are a software company manufacturing a product, not a studio crafting playable stories. What narrative and story do exist, are the minimal needed to serve the gameplay loops. They make toy boxes, not experiences. Some people like that, but that’s not what I play these kinds of games for.
Going back and playing fallout 1 and 2 solidified this for me further, if Bethesda was going to learn from what made new Vegas great, they would have done so from 1 and 2 and implemented it in 3.
I haven’t even bothered to try fallout 76. I know what it is, it’s a looter shooter live service game meant to Skinner box you in to spending as much time as possible grinding up numbers and finding the best stats on rare drops. It’s not what I’m in to. I’ve accepted that.
As much as I love the fallout setting and the potential for story and world, there will never be another fallout game, just Bethesda products wearing the aesthetic. There are plenty of other great games out there that have story and gameplay working synergistically to create an experience.
Well if you want to scratch that CRPG story itch may I suggest Arcanum, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Tainted Grail, Wasteland 2 and 3, and basically all of Owlcat games except maybe Pathfinder kingmaker.
played a lot of those.
I remember VtMB particularly fondly.
Now if only VtMB2 would get out of its development hell so we could know if it’s shit or not.
