Is Alice 10 in Disney? In Lewis Carroll’s original work she is 8.
They aged her up so it would be less creepy
What is creepy about it? The entire story is really about Alice discovering rules and how she likes them so much. That is very much the world of an 8 year old. Not to mention all of the fanciful characters and tropes that were dreamed up.
There are many academic critiques and studies of the work. It is also central to Open AI’s QKV layers model alignment training. The story is the primary catalyst for creative randomness in terms of internal model thinking in both LLMs and embedding models used in image diffusion. For instance, all of the mechanisms that Alice used to become bigger and smaller are present in diffusion AI models with the caveat that no real person place or thing is present in the prompt. One does not need to bring up the detailed context of the story if one prompts the element with good specificity. A far easier method to play with is to prompt the queen of hearts or Alice as a character in an image using just a foundational base model. It should be quite clear how these images are a bit different in many ways. Those differences are not random and they are persistent across all models. Literary nonsense is the actual randomness that shows up in background objects and clothing in images. Prompting against the abstraction of genre is far more effective than attempting to describe your own details in the prompt with specificity.
In literature in general, Carroll’s work is the holotype for a genre. Analysing the work speaks to the human experience on many levels. The work has long been appreciated by all ages. So I am a bit baffled about what you find creepy about age in any context such as this. Like what kind of assumptions do you possibly feel grounded in here?
I think you need to go outside bro
I think you need to pick up a book. Maybe get out of the sun. It can be harmful you know, bro
I don’t understand what you wrote. Please explain like I’ve not take a literature class since high school. (I read, but mostly for fun or computer tech information, which is also for fun.)
its pro AI jibberish, probably written with AI tools
What I got out of it (including the clarification) was “AI ties to Alice in some way also Alice in Wonderland is deeper than you think” and the ties to AI were where I felt it was either nonsense or not written for the audience.
I have actually read Alice in Wonderland and it has themes but its not more deep then pure fantasy story telling for a child. The story was generated by the author on a camping trip with his good friend. His friend had a young daughter and he made up a story for her… and he decied it was good enough for everyone to enjoy.
It also twinged my implausibilty meter when they said there were several easy to find podcasts and blog posts on the depths of AiW, but didn’t link to any…
Edit: the first, long comment made me think it was some autist’s [not derogatory] special interest and that they were too deep to explain it well. The second comment made me think that was not the case.
There is more to the story of Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland than just a children’s story. There are several podcasts and blog posts on this that are easy to find. The book is public domain and on Gutenberg.org. There are also several audio book reads of the original text on YT. It is considered the holotype or foremost representative book in the literary nonsense genre, (the book ends with all of wonderland being a dream).
Thank you. I follow a tad better.
I’m gonna need a source for that 'cause, like, they weren’t really concerned about creepiness back in the 50s from what I can tell.
That’s the joke.
Dating for american presidents be like:
i want to crack 5th one
IRL Pocahontas was like 11 or 12.
Her actual age is unknown, due to nobody knowing what year she was born. Estimates put her at around 10 or 11 when John Smith arrived. Some people say he was romantically involved with her, but others believe he played that part up to keep her from getting killed by other settlers. Those people say she was simply a translator and ambassador for several years, since she was able to learn English relatively quickly. She was ~16-17 when she was taken hostage, forcibly baptized, and married off to a tobacco farmer. She died only a few years later, around the age of 20 or 21.
Alice in wonderland isn’t a princess tho.
How old is Stitch?
Stitch is assigned male
Still a princess.
Some people want to fuck the princes answer the question
My guess is he’s less than a year old in earth years. He was created and hatched from a capsule, much like we see in the TV series. Depending on when he was discovered and presented to the galactic federation, he could be days old, technically.
Ah oof
Esmeralda being 18 is throwing me for a loop. Idk why. All the other ones I can get past looks because they’re all meant to be young (and many have ages stated) but I literally never once viewed Esmeralda as a teenager in the movie. Early 20s maybe. Maybe they mentioned it and I forgot.
Crazy movie though. Frolo is so fucked.
Rya is missing.
Mulan was too cool.
Mulan has the highest kill count… I think
The avalanche definitely ups her count some.
Who is left third row from bottom and right second row from bottom?
Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Jane from Tarzan, I think.
Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Jane from Tarzan.
Wtf movie is the 8800 from? That and the top right are the only characters I don’t recognize.
Top right is Aurora/Briar Rose from Sleeping Beauty
Atlantis, her name is kida, altantians are super long lived because of the crystal on her neck.
Not surprised its unrecognized. The movie is a hidden gem.
one of my favorites of that era along with treasure island
I think you mean Treasure Planet.
yup definitely meant that one
Treasure Planet and Atlantis are two of the best. They go well together too.
That one with the skinny dude with glasses.
Okay, I think I found it: “Atlantis: The Lost Empire”?
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Wasnt Snow White in a magical sleep for like a hundred or so years?
That embryo frozen for 24 years or whatever that was successfully implanted and carried to term didn’t emerge from the womb 6’1" with an MBA.
Would you have looked at an embryo frozen for 18 years and said “uh-hhuhuh, she’s totally legal”?
Same logic applies.
I don’t think having sex with frozen embryo goop should be a crime though.
If that embyo goop isn’t your property, it should be.
And if you’ve broken into the fertility clinic, that’s definitely a crime.
what if the fertility clinic went bankrupt and you purchased it and all of its assets?
See my first sentence.
Youre thinking of sleeping beauty, not snow white
I mean, yes, but she’s only physically and mentally 14.
If you put a child in cryostasis until she’s technically 18 you would still be a pedo if you did anything to her.
Oh, no, this is the next big startup fad, isn’t it?
Hello and welcome to Epstein Cryo-land!
…next?
Oof, yeah, that’s definitely something that will need to be looked at when cryotech starts being a thing.
Now I wonder, there are most certainly no such protections in place if an underage person goes into coma for long enough that their physical body is aged 18+. Wouldn’t your mind have experienced only very little development through that time, though?
The same laws that protect drunk, unconscious, disabled, senile, or otherwise incapacitated people would still apply. Here, the 18-year-old with a child’s mind would be deemed incompetent, and assigned a guardian.
There’s got to be something more concrete than that, should the guardian be the problem…
Laws are for generalities. Courts are for specificities. The situation you describe is resolved in the courts, not by legislation.
If the guardian is the problem, the courts assign a new guardian. That guardian can be another relative, or it could be a department of the state.
what if they can prove competence?
Then we respect their personal agency.
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Okay, but Kidagakash skews the average so sharply that she’s proof of the need for weigthing.
Also, are Alice & Jane actually considered princesses? Jane is Lady Greystone and I could accept her for that, but Alice is just a kid. And if direct adaptations count, why not Wendy? Why not Tiger Lily (who counts if Pocahontas does)? Or Dejah Thoris, the titular “Princess of Mars”?
Needs more Kuzco.
This is why the concept of statistical outlier and standard deviation exists.
Had I seen something like this in any analysis I would either assume some fault in the measurement (either reading or technical) or error in punching the data. Then ignored the result if it couldn’t be reproduced, but leave it in the raw data/graph/figure and explain the exlution.
Heck, even opting for median age over the mean would work in this case!
