The announcement follows Newsom’s 2024 executive order, which directed encampment cleanups after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling granted state and local governments more authority to remove them.
Where did all the newsom stans go?
EDIT: the number of downvotes is the number of people who agree with performative cruelty to homeless people.
nobody likes Newsome, but in contrast to the rest of the Dems… he’s actually effective at getting under the GOPs skin. That’s the whole thing.
GOP doesn’t give a shit about Jefferies yapping on the floor for hours. They don’t care about another “strongly worded letter” from Schumer. And everyone, EVERYONE, hates Pelosi…
Yes, we all want more people like Mamdani. His policies are everything that I want, that most of us want. But you’d also have to be politically ignorant to not realize that his platform is on shakey ground nationwide. You can do something like Mamdani in a blue stronghold like NY. But across the nation? At this moment in time? No chance, you might as well just hand GOP the keys to power ad infinitium.
I don’t like Newsome, but I’m not trying to throw the whole country in the toilet waiting for the world to come around to Mamdani. Playing this “all or nothing” game is getting real people killed and lives ruined.
As long as cynicism is the logic for choosing candidates, we are never going to see real leaders at the helm of the party. But yeah, let’s continue to not have faith voters can do better because the alternative sounds exhausting.
if Progressives are supposed to vote blue no matter who, then Centrists can too. If someone like Mamdani beats Newsom in the 2028 primary they can suck it up and vote for him.
I’ve swallowed loads the past three elections, it’s their turn to take one for the team.
if Progressives are supposed to vote blue no matter who, then Centrists can too. If someone like Mamdani beats Newsom in the 2028 primary they can suck it up and vote for him.
They should. But like the many left-abstainers in 2024, it remains to be seen if they will.
If someone like Mamdani runs in the 2028 primary (Mamdani himself being sadly ineligible), they will have my general and primary vote. God forbid a shithead neolib like Newsom gets through.
But ‘Blue No Matter Who’ is an expression of desperation against the fascists in the GOP, not a magic formula, as much as we wish it was.
“blue no matter who” has always been a cudgel used by “party unity my ass” types.
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You’re seriously comparing newsom to Lincoln?
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The point is that even someone widely regarded as one of the “best” presidents is remembered mostly for a single policy, and even that didn’t go far enough on civil rights.
Sounds to me like you’re saying that anything newsom does that was acceptable in the 1860s is perfectly fine.
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nobody likes Newsome, but
followed by 4 paragraphs of “you are going to vote newsom and love it”
If no one likes him, he’s not gonna win. But let’s face it. Winning isn’t the point. Making sure no progressive is able to run is the point. And you’ll campaign for someone you claim to hate in order to make sure that happens.
Is this the part where you tell us he’s a corpo shill and I should vote third party in protest?
Can always count on centrists to conflate criticism and disloyalty in the worst faith possible.
The DNC hasn’t run it’s bots up yet today /j
Bluemaga won’t care. We told yall this is who he is. Immiserating the homeless is what he does for fun.
It seems like this is a bit of a political move. I understand that the article mentions connecting the homeless that are cleared with the local support structure. But it gives no mention of how those support structures will be improved. No additional funding or infrastructure provided.
From what I understand the local support structures are already at capacity and generally shelters are still unsafe (especially for women).
This is either coming from Newsome not understanding the issue at best. And a political move that will just cause more suffering at worst.
Thanks I hate it.
… by making affordable housing and giving it to the needy?
Did you read the article beyond the headline? Is that what it said?
Yup, just making fun of the click bait, referencing the Anakin padme meme
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I think you’re buying republican narrative about the homeless. That is judgement, but so is your comment.
sounds like propaganda, even housing chronically homeless people, or people who druggies, have a very beneficial effect in an area. even if it doesnt immediately solve thier problems.
You have had conversations with many unhoused people and they’ve indicated they would much rather prefer sleeping in places with little security, a high risk of their few possessions being stolen, and little protection from the elements, to a safe, stable place of residence?
I’m quite skeptical.
Not what I said
I’m curious then, you seem to know the thoughts and experience of unhoused people, yet you’re saying you haven’t conversed with them. How did you form such an opinion?
My comments have been removed for some reason but I started the first one with “I can’t speak for all unhoused people but there are some.”
Not sure how you could read that as me speaking for all homeless people. I’ve lived in all kinds of situations with all kinds of people. I’ve known some who flat out reject being involved in programs designed to help them, preferring to go it alone. Yes, giving up access to safe shelters and other resources. I’m not saying they deserve to go without help or that they should be rounded up and placed in camps. I’m saying understanding their choices can be complex and requires more than just access to shelters or housing.
Your initial comment read like, “we shouldn’t provide access to housing for anyone because some don’t actually want it.”
I believe a better solution would be, “we should provide access to housing and if some don’t want it, they won’t be forced to use it.”
It’s definitely a complex issue, but the first step should be compassion and not eliminating practical options because they might not suit a small subset of the population.
You might have read my comment that way but you also read it as me speaking for all homeless people for some reason.
There is a risk of using already limited funds for housing projects that pay out to contractors/land developers (profiting off social programs) without having enough to go towards other issues facing unhoused people. The solution is more complex than simply “build more homes” which is what the original message I responded to was intimating.
All people deserve safe, stable living environments, some just choose to forgo those for reasons people seem unwilling to acknowledge.
I’ve been homeless. This person is either full of shit or the population they were around was drastically different than mine.
There are circumstances I recall where people turned down shelter space, opting to sleep on the streets, but that’s because the shelters imposed conditions that were unacceptable to them. Primarily, it was drug addicts refusing to get clean or shelters that imposed religious requirements. The rest was mostly untreated mental illness.
probably nimby person. the last thing Nimby neighborhoods want is low-income housing being built near them. thats what NEWSOM caters to.
“but that’s because the shelters imposed conditions that were unacceptable to them.”
There are people for whom conditions are not acceptable. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have access to a safe place to live.
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i dont think that word means what you think it means
Lol, I get the impression you don’t know what it means.
no shit? you think we have different ideas of what judgement means? what gave you that impression- was it the 1/9 ratio or me telling you so first?
shove your thoughtless reply right straight back up whatever hole you were gonna shit it out of. i’ve already blocked you.
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I think you are conflating chronic homeless (less than 25% of all homeless) with people who are homeless for the first time, or have gone in and out of homelessness one or two times. The transiently homeless are absolutely driven there by lack of housing. Chronically homeless tend to have multiple issues that make serving them a challenge, but targeted support programs have been shown to make significant inroads even there.
This page has a lot of detailed breakdowns: https://endhomelessness.org/state-of-homelessness/
“Chronically homeless tend to have multiple issues that make serving them a challenge, but targeted support programs have been shown to make significant inroads even there.”
That was the point I was making. It’s not just lack of housing.
Here’s hoping that AOC or some other progressive wins the white house. Newsom, while better than Trump, is still shit.
As for Cali, I am hoping for Katie Porter or likeminded folk to take leadership when Newsom vacates his office. The homeless and everybody else needs help from someone who genuinely gives a damn.
Would bet cash money the DNC selects- I mean uh he fairly wins the DNC primary for next election cycle lol.
As though he hasn’t already been selected.
he had so little influence after his sf mayorship, he tried to get elected a couple times statewide, but hes just not good overall. plus he doesnt really capture people outside of montery or rich people anyways.
Again with the zombie myth that Katie Porter is a progressive. She is even worse than Newsom.
Fuck Gavin Newsom. The dude is scum. All the people blowing him are the worst
And where do you plan to have them go? Because they have to go somewhere. Perhaps instead of fighting a symptom you treat the cause. Like a complete lack of affordable housing. And things like corporations and hedge funds hoarding single family homes that sit empty, often not even on the market because they’re treating them as appreciating assets not homes.
I loved that they let a ton of people out of jail when they legalized marijuana and vacated a ton of convictions.
But then they literally just turned people out on the street with zero fucking pathways. No money, no home, no phone, just zero fucking resources.
It was an almost overnight explosion of homelessness in San Diego.
Sure they have always had a homeless population (the weather is particularly ideal for living outside most of the year), but nothing like it turned in to.
Clearing camps won’t help. Like you said, you need to solve the root problem.
they Did that in sf, during the ASEAN conference in '23, and they came RIGHT back immediately. Its just PR for newsom. once newsome"im making fun of trump" news dies down, he will probably going back to not caring.
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Texas has actually started reforming zoning laws to allow for more housing, as much of a shithole as that state can be otherwise
Housing is an area that California has absolutely failed on, and it doesn’t look like Newsome will do anything to fix it
Reform zoning laws. Allow more dense housing to be built. Once housing is fixed, homelessness will follow suit
The vast majority of Californian homeless people become homeless in California. Some people do come here from out of state, but it’s around 10% of the total homeless population. 75% of homeless Californians even live in the same county they became homeless in.
California doesn’t have a ton of homeless people because everyone else is bussing homeless people here, it’s because it’s expensive as fuck (both rent and home prices).
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I… literally linked to it. The article is about the study those numbers come from.
In order to actually address the homeless crisis, we would first have to fix U.S. Healthcare.
Or we could leave everything broken, with the wealth still being transferred upwards, and keep funneling the people that have been ground up and spit out into our growing for-profit prison industry…
In order to actually address the homeless crisis, we would first have to fix U.S. Healthcare.
It’s too bad that neither party is interested in doing so.
I live in Canada, we have universal healthcare and we still have a huge homelessness problem. Its because everything is so fucking expensive now and there is pretty much zero support for mentally ill people or drug addicts. I live in a relatively small town and we even have a few homeless camps around. The police will raid them and make them move all their shit out every once in a while, but then they just come back again, they have nowhere to go
Also not disagreeing that the US needs to fix it’s healthcare
The fix is multifaceted I feel, everything you said is spot on for the issues.
I feel a fix requires Universal Basic Income and Housing, along with mental health support. A minimum level of support would at least help a lot of these people to be able to get off the ground or at least live with a modicum of dignity.
Universal Healthcare would help at least with health issues that people out on the streets face.
Create a national jobs force/program, like the old Civilian Conservation Corps. Which can be organized and deployed to various US infrastructure projects, like building high speed rail. Offer some universal basic income along with their jobs. And offer housing as well.
I agree, having that and high taxes on the wealthy were part of the reason the US had such high levels of prosperity for the average citizen back in the olden days. The whole country should be getting connected via high speed rails, I feel. It would open up jobs for people living in more rural areas as well.
2 seperate things. housing would have immediate benefit than, something like healthcare reform. not to mention all the laws around rent control, zoning laws and nimbys.
Just housing them is really damn effective in my experience. They recently opened a pallet shelter “village” in my area. Since, I basically never see encampments, and the number of visibly unhoused folks has dropped a lot (since they just look like everybody else due to regular access to hygiene facilities). According to the cops, they’ve had zero calls out to the village.
We should still do all the other things, but just put up a ton of free basic housing and you can make enormous visual progress.
i think nimbyism is more a problem in california, than the other 2 things. I remember a nimby group(white people) threw a huge fit over in norcal like 1-2 years ago. of a building/center being built. and then its zoning laws.
A large amount of destitution is caused by people being bankrupted by medical bills.
The other big causes are untreated mental illness and addiction.
There are quite a lot of unhoused people who would rather remain homeless. From the conversations I’ve had, it’s not always just circumstances beyond their control. Some have had negative experiences with shelters or social services, and many feel more freedom living outside the system than being tied to its rules and restrictions. It’s not the case for everyone, but for some, homelessness is a conscious choice rather than only the result of hardship.
i heard about that, surprise people dont discuss it more. some willingly are homeless, because wouldnt need to pay rent, or taxes, and if they get sick, they can just go to the hospital and not get charged for it.
“If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population!” --Newsom, probably
And a lot of addiction is caused by underlying mental illness.
The root cause of almost all these problems is healthcare.
And unaffordable housing, unfair wages, lack of worker rights,lack of opportunity, prohibitively expensive education, racism and sexism in the union trades, debt based everything, cost of living hikes and living in a dystopia in general
Fuck Newsom for this, and all his regressive vetoes against laws throughout his tenure as governor to help fix this issue.
yup. fuck him, if he’s candidate for president, just let the GOP win again
Why is it never the fault of the Democrats for constantly picking a lesser evil, but still evil character? Who are we appealing to with that? The moderately evil people? Brother the elections are years away, why are you so excited to throw your entire life and hope behind the first piece of shit who decided to swing?
Fuck him with a garden rake for running for President. The Democratic party will not survive another President of that mold. If he wins, get ready for President Stephen Miller and the end of all things in 2032.
I can see you just raged at the rage bait title and didn’t bother to read the article.
None of what I said had was commentary on the article. I was responding to a comment. I’m already quite familiar with Newsom’s track record. He’s just another establishment lizard person who should be laughed out of the presidential primary.
if he’s candidate for president, just let the GOP win again
If he’s nominated, the GOP will win again. No matter how much you scold people who you don’t want to have any standards. Do better or lose. Those are your options and I’m certain you’ll choose the latter.
GOP will win again because this tactic of rage baiting dems on titles alone is still working. No one here read the article and just reacted to the title.
This is what happened the first two times. Despite so much studies reporting on this exact manipulation of elections and we learned nothing.
You have chosen the latter.
The political reality that existed when Clinton earned her loss, Biden barely squeaked in despite not earning his win, and Harris earned her loss is still present. More of the same will result in more of the same.
Newsom is more of the same. Centrists can’t win anymore. Betraying the vulnerable and triangulation with republicans isn’t acceptable any longer.
Nope. It’s all down to media and now these watered down brains in here are so easily triggered by a title and refuse to sit down, calm down and do their part in voting and being educated further than this tiktok shit tactic.
It’s all down to media and now these watered down brains in here are so easily triggered by a title and refuse to sit down, calm down and do their part in voting
No matter what shit you throw at them? I mean, I get that you liked the last three candidates and want another one just like them, and that’s fine since you’re so determined to keep losing.
The governor’s office stated that the task force will prioritize sites deemed unsafe and collaborate with local governments to connect individuals with shelter, health care and substance use services.
You didn’t Read the article.
And you’re swallowing copaganda
Tell me how clearing homeless encampments will improve things.
You Tell me how NOT giving medical help, food, shelter and offer addiction recovery is improving things.
People without housing aren’t props to make you feel better about how you live your life.
Oh boy I sure love the idea of violently destroying someone’s home with no plan in place for any extra service or place for them to go. Just hand them a brochure for the exact same services that have failed them for years.
Unless you have a fucking home to move them into you should not be clearing these encampments.
It sounds like they plan to clear the camps and dump the people on the (already strained) local support systems without giving any extra funding or infra to those support systems.
Dude was on a roll
Does this 🙄
This isn’t new, he was a on a propaganda roll, and lots of people won’t even see this.
That’s what I mean, propaganda works best if you’re consistent, at least somewhat.
He’s been abusive to the homeless since his time as mayor of SF.
I know, and am aware, but that’s not the point here. The thing is, he has a good standing at the moment, and people tend to forget the bad things immediately. Just look at Trump. I expected him to ride the wave and use it for his own campaign. But instead, he decided to revert back to his old behavior and be a dick about it.
Had to remind us who he really is.
He’s been “doing this” for years dude. He dresses it up with fancy language but homeless camp sweeps have been happening in CA for a long time and have been ordered by him through executive order, driven by his rich NIMBY donors.
Despite surveys in 2023 showing sweeps resulted in police citations as of often as offers for housing he continued with criminalizing homelessness, encouraging local governments to create anti camping ordinances in 2024 (aka criminalizing homelessness)
Flip sides of the same coin. He can play the part because he is basically trump with decorum and slightly different masters. Trump sold out to the extreme right white nationalist fascist crowd, Newsom sold out to the corporate world fascist crowd. If Silicon Valley decides that lgbt support is bad for business Newsom will flip flop (see his appearance on the charlie kirk podcast, testing the waters). He will always back things that fuck over workers and benefit the corporate class.
vote blue no matter who though. Unless it’s someone from the dsa or psl that actually represents your interests of course, then of course the democrat leadership can’t possibly endorse the candidate and will split the vote because they’d rather potentially hand the election to a republican than give you a candidate that serves your interests instead of their donors. But remember, if you don’t vote for them you’re a fucking tankie piece of shit
I’m not saying this is new. It’s just as if he’s trying to undermine himself. He could be a rock star.
This is what his donors want.
“He could be a rock star if he hid who he was briefly to win the election then went back to serving corporate interests, souring people on the democratic side even more and sending them to the republicans or to not voting at all”
Like listen to yourself. You sound like the victim of domestic abuse. “It’s going to be different this time!”. He’s not going to change honey, you gotta leave and find someone that’s actually good for you
Darling, I’m not voting for him and I’m not falling for him. I just don’t understand why he’s doing that.
Because he loves money and power and the people who give him money and power hate the poor
He could be a rock star if he weren’t who he is. But this is who he is.
Undermine himself with whom? He knows that primaries aren’t honest and that party leadershit decides. He’s trying to appeal to them.
He must think he can win Republican votes. The right wing of the Democratic Party still doesn’t get it.
The right wing of the Democratic Party still doesn’t get it.
So the Democrats.
Maybe Newsom can reach across the aisle by doing a tour with a Cheney. Remarkably, Dick Cheney is still alive - maybe he’s available.
Uh last time someone went on a trip with Cheney, it didn’t really end well for them
Clearly they didn’t tour with the right Cheney.
In true Democratic Party spirit they should keep trying the same thing. Maybe it’ll work next time.
Newsome is such a two faced piece of shit.
Socially liberal ✅
Fiscally conservative ✅
We’ve found our new nominee.
He’s not socially liberal though. He’s socially center at best.
So he is a fan and tweeting with capitalized words is not to mock Trump but to pay homage?
Apparently it’s really hard to not be an asshole.
Why help the homeless when you can spend the same amount of money to inflict greater suffering.
Literally does say help the homeless but you would have had to have read the article to find that out.
but I guess enraging at minimal information is what we are now.
Were you fucking born yesterday? This is the same exact rhetoric of empty promises we get every time they sweep up the homeless, and it never ever happens. Where is all this housing? Where are the shelters going to come from? Has Newsom secured any funding for these assistance programs? Did he bother asking the homeless people why they weren’t already in shelters? Gawd damn, you only see this level of ignorance and arrogance in two places, red and blue MAGA. You’ve polluted this entire thread with you’re nonsense.
as described, it doesn’t seem as bad as the title
but we all know the reality will not be as it is described
