I came here around the time the rif app shut down, and the general vibe I get from this place is much more negative than when I joined. Is Lemmy growing more toxic or is it just my imagination?
People are desperately combing through comments, looking for something to be outraged about. That’s what happens in echo chambers - when the outgroup isn’t around to be attacked, people start eating their own. It turns into this insane purity spiral where nobody is ever good enough.
yeah i’ve noticed this. the people who harass me go to my comment history, start downvoting everything i say or replying to old comments and/or reporting them… just like people do on reddit.
one disagreement on one comment or issue becomes a personal vendetta
that kind of craziness never happened to me on reddit until the past few years. mostly in my local subreddit where insane people who report and harass you for something supporting or disagreeing with mayors policies.
over the weekend i had some guy scream in my face what homo i was for wearing suede boots. apparently suede makes you gay, i had no clue. such a helpful thing to be informed of.
These people need to be flushed out of here. On the other hand I stand by almost everything I’ve said in my comment history, so, good luck to them.
I don’t know that I’ve noticed a real uptick. But in the past couple weeks I have noticed a few ridiculous right wingers and I blocked most of them since seeing their bullshit is bad for my mental health.
Yeah maga place looks like it’s up to 21 idiots sharing a brain cell now, whereas I think it was 12 a couple weeks ago. Wonder if there’s a critical mass for those fucks or if they’ll find lemmy too progressive to stick around. I guess they could just circlejerk on their own instance.
I’ve had a private message from a user who’s a starting with ‘v and ending with n’ and that’s all I say because if I say the full word I know some angry Internet people are going to show up
They responded with that passive aggressive question tone
I’ve also run into some lemmy users that spread misinformation about Japan to discredit it which reads like foreign actors intentionally spreading disinformation to discredit a country and its people, the sake kind of misinformation about Japan is much worser on reddit but its not a good thing that it has started to show up here
Places would change up and down in tone and attitude since the days of Usenet, BBSes, and FidoNet. It’s not the platform, it’s the people. How the world is in RL affects how people talk online, and the world changes over time.
The simpler answer may be that your feed has changed some since you started and you’re pulling in discussions that have a different vibe than when you started. Just as you can grow your feed by browsing around, you can cull certain places that tend to be darker by blocking people or instances.
in RL
This is a first for me. Be RB, gotta run to the automated TM real quick.
I’ve seen it in both forms online and in chat, but I’m also old so it might be a depreciated form. I’m a walking internet archive.
Yes, but sometimes I wonder if it is just the nature of what happens when a social media network grows large. I did observe how some subreddits instantly get more toxic as they grow bigger too
… On the other hand though, coincidentally I did see some very recent comments that are decidedly more right-wing than the general Lemmy userbase. I personally try not to judge ppl’s political orientation but I do wonder if there’s something weird going on
ever IRL hobby/group i ever did went from a cool chill group to being full of rabid assholes once it got ‘popular’. as in… people heard it was ‘cool’ and wanted to join because they want to be ‘cool’. as soon as people are doing something for status/image and not because they actually enjoy/love it… that’s when the toxicity starts. because the cool people are the insecure shallow types who need to crap on anyone who is ‘uncool’.
status chasing is the root of a lot of it, imo.
That’s exactly the same time I migrated. Personally, no, I haven’t noticed an uptick in that, it’s just as hostile as ever. It just about scratches the itch enough to be a functional replacement for what Reddit used to be for me though so I hang around. There’s solace in that it’s not ALL nasty, it’s just extremely likely to devolve in to that at a hair trigger and however benign or even how mundane the original topic of discussion, someone will try to clumsily make it related fascism or imperialism.
You suck! (im sorry im just kidding)
Well fuck you (pls)
🥸
Such is life on the internet sometimes I guess
Yes. I’ve also noticed if you say something mods don’t like they will remove your comments. This place is more of the same with censorship… in terms of removing opposing ideas.
(This person who complains about “censorship” says some seriously bigoted shit. It’s not a moderation problem, it’s a MAGA problem.)
What gets you permabanned for “spam” from the .ml meme comm:
OP being a magatwat aside, mods being unaccountable children is a problem.
I have noticed more people inferring things from a small part of a reply and rather than read and try to understand it, they insted get upset about it and reply back about what they think the op said.
Same with going off the headlines. I am well aware that we lose 90%+ of communication over text, but damn, some of these fucking people. You have to learn to couch your comment in such a way that even obvious sarcasm and the like is obvious.
To all those joking about being autists and not getting social clues, I see you.
try to understand it
Why do you think they can’t understand it? Are you saying their stupid? All lemmy users are stupid except you? Look at smarty mcsmartpants over here
/s
Like this post & comments where the original context they leave out has an obvious, inoffensive interpretation, and they instead go wild fixating on a small part with disparaging interpretations not indicated by the context?
It’s what comes with more users. As people you don’t know start writing in styles you’ve only seen parroting arguments you disagree with, the urge to shut things down increases.
Plus, there ends up being more stuff to read in the same amount of time, which leads to shallower reading to cover it all.
This has been a consistent issue I have seen more on Lemmy over Reddit since day one, TBH.
No it hasn’t! That’s just what they want you to believe! You heard nothing! Make him repent Asmodai!
OF ALL THE WATCHERS IN THE ROCK WHY DID I GET ONE THAT TALKS‽‽‽
yep.
i will write out three paragraphs… get multiple replies about like three words I said that are taken totally out of context.
i’d say trolls/bots… but i know way too many people IRL who do the very same thing. they are just stupid assholes looking to cause drama to puff up themselves as ‘outing’ everyone as evil/bad because they are ‘warriors’ for justice. their entire existing is all about inflating their own ego and being willfully ignorant and their primary hobby in life is being ‘offended’ by anything/everything.
what i can’t get is why people like being around people like this… but they do for some reason.
Same with going off the headlines. I am well aware that we lose 90%+ of communication over text, but damn, some of these fucking people. You have to learn to couch your comment in such a way that even obvious sarcasm and the like is obvious.
The world is increasingly hostile, but let me still seems more humane than any other social media.
I haven’t noticed much, but I do have a lot of people blocked…
The most important thing for me is that the amount of truly thoughtful comments I’ve seen is higher than on any other platform I use.
I’ve blocked a few, makes a huge difference.
And discourse is generally more respectful. Disagreements are handled in a constructive manner at a much higher rate than on any other platform I have used.
Yeah, it’s nice to be able to have actually constructive discussions with people I don’t agree with. That’s rare on the internet.
Replies have certainly taken on a more Reddit-like quality to some things. Like rude for the sake of being rude.
[insert funny rude response here]
Reading the comments here brings up a question I’ve had. Does it really make any difference what instance I’m on? I thought the whole benefit of federation was that it does not matter where I’m coming from.
Yeah it kinda does, WHEN YOUR INSTANCE IS ALWAYS DOWN AAAARGH
Somewhere on your instance page, usually at the bottom, you can click “instances” and see which are federated and not.
It 100% does. I’m on 3 to get different flavors of Lemmy. I was on 4, but left an instance because of tone.
It does kinda matter.
If the instance you are on defederates from another instance, you wont see the defederated instance’s content.
IIRC, the only thing you would really miss on Lemmy.World would be Hexbear. Maybe Exploding Heads? I don’t recall the entire list. But they’re all dipshit trolls, so nothing of value is actually being lost.
I’ve seen a lot of hard exclusionary leftists making noise outside of the triad.
exclusionary leftists
Redundant.
I’d position myself further left than “progressive”, closer to “leftist”, but not of that brand that thinks that anyone who isn’t doing exactly what I want is the enemy.
Yeah, we tend to look down on things like people claiming 17 year olds are adults dtf
