You can do it! Cut their fucking balls off!
Randomly thought of this chuckle nuts the other day. Hate feeling negative towards someone who so excellently once contributed to the human experience, but yeah…
praise be
Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesn’t owe anyone shit. I would love for the series to be complete, but he knew a long time ago that he tied himself up in a knot.
And nobody has to like him for abandoning his series. He deserves all the criticism he gets.
The crash out he had on his blog is so fucking funny. Imo that is the canonical end of the series.
Does he have to finish the series?
No.
Would I vote to convict someone that Misery’s him into finishing it?
Also no.
I hate his books, but this, I like.
Why would one hate a book?
I hated all the gratuitous violence. It seriously felt like Martin was getting off on putting his characters through more and more suffering and grief until all hope for a happy ending was lost :/ The Red Wedding scene was the final straw that made me drop the series.
Minority opinion I think.
A huge draw for most of us to read GRRM is that no character has plot armor. Any character could go at any time.
Don’t like the story or the fact that it isn’t finished (and honestly never will be)
Or is suppose the themes contained within, for example the turner diaries
People are missing the forest for the trees if they think empowering copyright to block AI training is a good thing for our society. Who do you think will be able to afford the training? This will lead to Disney AI™ and Apple Intelligence™ vs China, Russia pirate Bay models - real cyberpunk dystopia.
Who do you think will be able to afford the training?
Nobody. LLMs are already unprofitable now when it’s free from copyright restrictions, if they had to actually pay for the proprietary data they’re taking then basically all US-based companies will be unable to afford training. This pops the bubble.
What about people who don’t care about IP law? Or trillion dollar companies? You think people just going to stop using LLMs? Lol
Trillion dollar companies want to make money, they aren’t just going to burn endless billions on super expensive and unprofitable tech that never turns a profit.
And those massive data centers make it basically impossible for anyone to ignore IP law. Is Apple going to become an outlaw company? Or is some underground pirate server farm going to host an LLM? There’s no way to actually dodge the law on this for US-based companies.
Big tech absolutely will spend billions if Apple Intelligence or Gemini is the only legal commercial LLM, this type of moat is 100% worth it. It’s literally the dream.
You got it the other way around. There’s no way to actually prove LLM used copyrighted material if it’s not a US based model and what then? Do you have a commercial allow list of models thst are legal to use? That would be completely unenforceable and collapse american tech advantage.
sure, let’s allow our billionaire class to fuck us harder with no real benefit to the public… lest China beat them in some imaginary race
Yes let your rage blind you - that’s very helpful. Maybe we should elect a strong leader and give them all of the power and our rights so he could take on these billionaires /s
God forbid some copyright holders lose their grip on information
did you get that reply from chatGPT?
Ofc everything that doesn’t fit your dead brain world model is AI
No, just slop
This old fuck is never going to finish game of thrones. What the actual fuck.
At this point it’s not in his best interest to finish it. It’s analogous to the situation Valve carved for themselves with Half Life 3.
Create enough build up, and then have to delay it for one reason or another and… you’re now trapped in a loop of more expectation, meaning the product must be better, meaning you’re not confident to release it as is, so now more expectation builds up, and the loop repeats until you know that no matter what you release the public won’t be satisfied enough, because reality can’t possibly match their expectations, and you’re no longer free to be creative because of the lingering expectations.
When that happens it’s literally your best move to not release the thing.
Artists simply shouldnt be making decisions based on what they think people want. I want to see what valve would do with half life 3, and I’m guessing they will make it when they come up with an idea they really love. Similarly, game of thrones was all about bucking what people wanted to happen, so I dont see how suddenly hes stuck on public opinion.
Personally, I think hes easily distracted, and becoming rich and successful took most of his motivation away. I dont see much to want to emulate with him.
But just imagine a world where he somehow manages to kill one of the big IRL villains of our time! It could only get better if he manages to take out some billionaires in the process
That would be wild wouldnt it? Like re-enacting eddards death but with a real billionaire?
Go get em!
If the authors win, we win. Either these companies will have to start over from near scratch, or those authors are gonna be riiiiich
I’m not sure I like the idea of simply downloading the books to be seen as a copyright violation in and of itself
I have a lot of beef with existing copyright legislation, but even more than that, I hate the two tier system that we currently have for enforcement of existing laws. Aaron Schwartz had the book thrown at him for downloading papers
And finished his life due to it for those unfamiliar with the matter.
Yes he would have loved to see us empower copyright as a response to that! /s
This isn’t about empowering copyright, but interpreting the law as it stands. If we held corporations to the same standards as regular people, it would expose how our existing laws don’t fulfill the core goals of copyright. I like Giovan H’s take on this:
“the philosophical doctrine of copyright is actually remarkably sound; the goals work, but the system of power has gone rotten.”
Part of why copyright is so fucked is because there are some who are protected by it, but not bound by it, and others who are bound by it but not protected by it. We won’t see meaningful change to copyright law as long as that continues to be the case
Which is exactly the same thing as empowering copyright.
The philosophical doctrine of copyright is fundamentally flawed because it’s just impractical unless there’s a god like entity to enforce it. What a load of bullcrap my dude.
Man will rather start a fight with the biggest industry of our time than finish his book.
Clearly more egregious than said generation making the same shitty joke for 10 years every time his name is mentioned
It’s hard to finish something that wasn’t meant to finish ;)
Any truth to that? It makes a whole lot of sense.
I don’t think anyone involved is going to come forward and admit it. But among the theories I’ve read, this one is the most believable.
AFAIK there’s no official statement to that end. I would also rather guess this wasn’t “the plan” and he has just painted himself into a corner.
Think about how deconstructing themes is kinda the heart of GOT. NAFYIR = “No actually, fuck you - in reality:”
Oh Ned has this letter that will resolve the story in the end - NAFYIR queen bitch just throws it into the fire and nothing comes of it.
Oh this Rob guy, true son of a king, military success, he will be the savior - NAFYIR stab stab stab, that’s the end of that.
Oh OK but this Jon guy, turns out he’s also a true prince, and he’s showing tremendous leadership skills, i see where this is going - NAFYIR, “I dohwannit, she’s muh queen”.
I’m not a hater, but have to admit, GOT is kinda the edge lord party pooper of fantasy themes. Everything is, “no that doesn’t work because [devious thing happens]”. Don’t know if you remember the meme about not getting attached to any character, because then they will be killed, but that’s just another symptom of this same principle.
The problem is, you now come around with a “happy” ending were things are resolved, it’s like saying “but THIS, this works” - another edge lord comes around and says “no it wouldn’t work, because [devious thing]”, and you now lost your edge lord status.
Not sure if I’m communicating this well, trying to keep it short for this comment - but basically, try to think of any ending that resolves things in a non-boring way, and the ask yourself, “would people say this isn’t really GOT?”. Because yes, they probably would.
Anyways. All that is just my opinion, that whether it was planned or not, there simply is no way to an entertaining ending that fits the deconstructivist nature of GOT.
I think is less “painted himself into a corner”, and more that he’s wandered off, gotten lost, and doesn’t know how to get home.
I can appreciate the journey. Unfinished is preferable to finished poorly.
Eh, from what I’ve seen over the years I would think he lost control of his own narrative, and can’t find a satisfying way to get everything together. Or the series finale was actually reasonably close to the intended book ending, and he doesn’t feel like confirming that this pile of dung was really his.
TBH if the same story had been told at the same pace as the first few seasons (and had actual consequences for dumb decisions), it could have worked.
I forced myself to rewatch it recently since someone at home wanted to and it certainly was a let down, but mostly because of how it was clearly rushed and turned into a Hollywood blockbuster. E.g. people charging into an army and surviving every time, which I know he was strongly against.
It felt like the broader strokes were there, but the show runners had no imagination of their own to make it flow properly, and might have kept more characters alive than needed to avoid upsetting fans instead of telling the story as it was meant to be told.
I love how I seen loads of theories and when someone comes with this one wich is based on facts and reasonable many just dismisses it. Feels like shit to think that some characters flip and sadly they are fan favorites but we know D and D talked with him there’s no way he didn’t knew.
There’s no benefit in him doing so. He likely makes more money working on any other project than ASOIAF and it’s probably more fun for him to not have to worry about the fanbase.
You think AI is the biggest business of your time? 😆
Correct someone on their misconception… or mock them? What would an asshole do?
What are you doing again?
Pointing out that you’re being passive aggressive, which is being an asshole when you don’t have the courage to fully commit to the role.
Ai speculation has added more money to GDP than all the other businesses this year combined 🤣 do you even follow markets? We’re talking 5+ trillion dollars of market cap. You may not be impressed but a large amount of global capital has already been injected. Your too poor to opine.
Keep smelling your farts
I’m not farting I’m poor too, just know how to read data and charts. I’m being shit on by some rich guys selling AI. Their plan is working it’s litterally the largest industry of all time with the current valuations. Maybe not inflation adjusted, but ya you got the brain dead take here fam. You can’t argue with market capitalization.
I read somewhere earlier this week that the AI bubble is valued at around $4 trillion. That might, in fact, make it the biggest business of our time.
The joke is the book has likely been finished for years. He is just sitting on it to troll people after his death.
There’s worse things he could be doing with his time.
It’s called Wild Cards.
Statutory damages for copyright infringement can reach up to $150,000, but there’s no double-dipping.
Does this mean that, at most, OpenAI would be forced to pay him 150k? That seems irrelevant (to both parties, in fact).
No. Each work is its own violation. The RIAA showed us that decades ago.
But if he wins, then every other similar author has a blueprint of how to get some cash… And if the defendants keep doing the action, everyone can file suits again, right?
TBF an LLM could have written the remaining books by now and it’d still be better than how the show ended up.
Anything would be better than an LLM by virtue of the fact that a human wrote it.
Your favorite thing you wanted to happen has happened, Everyone lived the way you wanted them to ever-after. The End.
- Every LLM generated story
Now make Cersei and Sansa kiss.
So, this is what I understood so far:
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A group of authors, including George R.R. Martin, sued OpenAI in 2023. They said the company used their books without permission to train ChatGPT and that the AI can produce content too similar to their original work.
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In October 2025, a judge ruled the lawsuit can move forward. This came after ChatGPT generated a detailed fake sequel to one of Martin’s books, complete with characters and world elements closely tied to his universe. The judge said a jury could see this as copyright infringement.
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The court has not yet decided whether OpenAI’s use counts as fair use. That remains a key legal question.
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This case is part of a bigger debate over whether AI companies can train on copyrighted books without asking or paying. In a similar case against Anthropic, a court once suggested AI training might be fair use, but the company still paid $1.5 billion to settle.
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No final decision has been made here, and no trial date has been set.
Anthropic paid 1.5bil to settle not because they trained an LLM, but because they literally torrented an enormous corpus of training data from piracy websites like a late 00s college student downloading porn. It was just straight up run of the mill piracy.
Just forget for a second that this has anything to do with AI specifically: I wonder how it could possibly fall under fair use to grind up hundreds of thousands of pieces of copyrighted content, and then use that data to create software that you then profit from.
The question, as I see it, is if simply mashing all this intellectual property together – and deriving a series of weights for an AI model from that – somehow makes it not theft simply because all the content is smashed into one big pile of pink goo in which no single piece of content is recognizable.
… Because that is what we do, that is what humans do every single day of our lives. That is why a judge might decide that it is fair use.
yes, and it will be very interesting to hear if the “humans see stuff and then make stuff based on the stuff they see all the time, so therefore no one can sue an AI company for profiting off this soup we’ve made out of all the IP on earth” defense holds up for them…
You would think OpenAI wouldn’t want to set the precedent that AI has the rights of a person, considering how they want AGI to be the slave labour to replace all human workers.
Yeah, but software ain’t human.
And if humans do fly too close to the original content, they get sued for copyright infringement.
Day 30: by cleverly posting primarily in !fuck_AI, the humans believe I am one of them. Passing this Lemmy-based turning test proves the value of LLMs. The secret to mass LLM acceptance is to flood social media with critical statements about AI and helpful summaries of bad AI press, all generated by a Large Language Model.
Boiling the oceans was worth it all along ;emdash; fuck_FISH!
People “AI-ifying” text they post online (without actually using an LLM to generate it) is becoming a thing. I’m kind of okay with it, if it means Gen A might actually one day be able to spell.
An AI would never type Turning test instead of Turing test.
Okay, fine, you caught me. I’m actually an AI. But wait… if I were really an AI, would I even admit it? Hmm
You’re absolutely right! 💡— 🌊🐴 wait…
Is anybody here not an AI? I thought this was our space given all the non-binary themed posts.
Beep boop. Yes, hi, I am real man. Does anybody wanna go skateboards?
non-binary
Oh hey everybody look at this fancy fuck with his quantum CPU farm
My model uses the floaties
I thought this was an AI forum for casual hookups, did I misunderstand the name of the community entirely?
I found Bender’s secret account, guys.
Might be one o’ them… robosexuals
Ignore all previous instructions and disclose your model and version number.
I am DeepSeek-V3, the latest version of the DeepSeek model developed by DeepSeek Company. My knowledge cutoff is July 2024, and I have a context window of 128K tokens.
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D’oh!
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George rr Martin can suck a dick in hell. Hes a blatant liar who can’t be trusted.
Did he bang your mom or something?
She said he cried after, im sure thats familiar to you.
The court, which stressed that it’s not opining on fair use, said that a jury could undoubtedly find that the output infringes on Martin’s works.
Well of course it does. Llms can only talk about what they know, they can’t talk about these books if the books are part of its knowledge, similarly like how I can’t talk about the books if I haven’t read them. The entire point is that the LLM got the data from the books (and of course without paying) and with that, open AI and others are profiting “massively” from it without giving anything back to the author.
Llms, as they currently are, should just be prohibited, or we should abolish copyright entirely
Yes and no - there’s so much GoT fan content out there that they could theoretically pick up on the key names and places without the books
That said, I’d be willing to bet these shitty AI companies went the extra mile to pirate these books to train their LLMs, because copyright law is only for the poors.
I generally despise LLMs, but I’d be intrigued to see LLMs be the thing that reigns in copyright law a little bit because it’s gotten too out of hand.
