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OMG in still confused at this.
“I don’t eat animals”
“Do you eat fish?” (My thinking people say they are vegetarian but are actually pescaterian but don’t like saying it for some reason)
“Yea but thats not an animal”
“Hahaha yea it is”
“No it isnt”
“Wait what? … If its not an animal what is it? A tree? Haha”
“It’s a fish!”
“Which is an animal”
“No! An animal is an animal, and a fish is a fish!”
“Fish are animals. Look, we can look it up to check if you want”
“I’m not going to look it up because I know a fish isn’t an animal. I don’t need to look it up!”
“… … I guess I can’t argue with that”
This all took place during pre drinks which is why I thought I was getting fucked with at the start. But I never realised how so many people are walking around blindingly, confidently, unshakeably wrong. She got mad.
I’m able to understand conceptually that “meat” doesn’t literally mean any animal’s muscle tissue in every language. Sometimes it’s a more vague concept of a large mammal’s meat and excludes fish, poultry, etc. And that’s okay. But I also hate it.
I’ve never once voiced this thought out loud, but every time someone says something like “I don’t want fish, I want to eat meat” I think “Well, you’re wrong, but OK.” There’s some arbitrary dividing line people assume is logical, but I don’t think it would hold up to serious scrutiny.
Are organs other than muscle not meat?
“Organ meats” is definitely a phrase used for offal, but I think the “organ” qualifier is doing work there. Offal is certainly meat in the sense that if ordered a dish with no meat and got liver, I’d be upset. But I’d also be upset if I said I want meat for dinner and my partner made liver. I guess it really depends on context.
My mom often cooks “meat free”. There’s always some sausage in there like Chorizo. Tastes great, but it’s certainly not free of meat.
“reduced meat” doesn’t sound as good
What about “meat lite”?
Ok, but you are wrong. While biology means animal is a member of animalia, people usually mean an animal that is capable of higher functions, e.g. a dog, sheep etc.
Most fish don’t express themselves in an understandable way. Mussels barely have neurons.
You gotta relax. Any sane human being should have clearly understood where they draw the line.
You also do wrong stuff all the time because it is useful to be wrong.
You’re somehow both wrong, and useless here. How did you manage to disprove yourself so thoroughly?
I don’t understand your nonsense… you must be a fish.
Mussels aren’t fish.
Now that I think about it “shellfish” a misnomer
Cuttlefish are molluscs. Smart mussels then!
Yeah, that’s not what animal means.
What the fuck are you on about???
I think you mean fish don’t express themselves in a way you understand. Some are lone hunters who have to rely on their wits to survive, while some have complex social interactions. Some even pass the mirror test.
I don’t think you should make excuses for why some things deserve life or kindness and others don’t. I think it’s better to just be honest with yourself about your personal biases and say you like dogs too much to hurt them, but that you don’t care as much about fish.
I don’t think people “usually” mean that at all. And even if they did, why would I care what people mean by it if it’s wrong?
Nah buddy, we all went to school, and it’s abundantly clear that in modern English, an animal is part of the Kingdom Animalia.
So, the only people (in the English speaking world) who don’t think of insects or fish an animals, either are of a much, much older generation, or didn’t do very well in school.
Most fucking 6-year-olds, in Australia at least, would be able to answer yes to “is a fish an animal?”.
Fish just express themselves in a way different from mammals, and just as capable of ‘higher functions’ as any other animal. Also the fact that you mentioned mussels, which are molluscs, doesn’t exactly make you seem like an expert on the subject.
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I’ve only ever known Christians to think fish aren’t animals. I’m pretty sure that’s something random that the Vatican decided for bending lent rules or some shit.
at least in my life most people do not have a “reasonably underseood line” where they arbitrarily stop considering animals as animals due to their perceived lack of communication. they have a line where they stop caring about them, but that’s usually about how cute they are, not about how they communicate. if more people understood koalas better they’d be way less popular. they barely have a brain, can’t communicate much, sound absolutely awful…
most people just don’t actually think that much about it. trivia is for the people that do think about things. and it certainly should at least have its answers checked on google.
I’ve only ever known Christians to think fish aren’t animals. I’m pretty sure that’s something random that the Vatican decided for bending lent rules or some shit.
iirc from a class I took 17 years ago (I probably don’t), that is essentially correct. I believe it was to help with getting Scandinavian and/or Baltic countries to convert to Christianity. At least that’s the gist of what I remember.
and it certainly should at least have its answers checked on google.
Just not the LLM part since it’s often wrong
She got mad
Laugh in her face then walk away and let her be mad
I have a workmate who loves to act dumb. We’ve decided fish aren’t animals, they are indeed fish, we’ve also decided jellyfish are crustaceans.
Do we have to decide to share the Nobel prize or does a committee decide that for us?
They are kind of right … there is no such thing as a fish.
No such thing as birds.
Yes there are, they’re a kind of dinosaur
If I went down that rabbithole I think she would have punched me
Of course there’s such a thing as a fish! A fish is any swimming vertebrate (or its descendant), such as a tuna, or a duck, or a human.
You believe in cladistics or you don’t, cowards!
Being cold blooded and living “wholly in water” are also requirements.
Nah, phylogenetically speaking, all descendants of fish must also be fish, by definition. Therefore, “being cold blooded” cannot also be a criterion (not that it would work anyway since tuna are warm blooded, BTW, and nobody would argue tuna aren’t fish).
The “living wholly in water” criterion actually works, though: land-fish (e.g. humans) live inside a bag of water that we carry with us.
Podcast mentioned.
Still an animal though
This is how I felt as a kid when my peers insisted the thumb is not a finger. Like what are you talking about bro? If I asked before this came up, you’d have said you have ten fingers, not eight.
this is how I feel as a Spanish speaker when English tell me toes aren’t fingers
In English, they aren’t. Toes and fingers are both digits, but not both toes or fingers.
I acknowledge that you are right, however I also acknowledge that I don’t like it and I rather be wrong about it
Language created a thing where Spanish speaker have twice the finger than English speakers.
You can always call them foot fingers in English if you like, although you might get some strange looks.
to differentiate them from hand toes
More people need to be told to their face that they’re imbeciles.
Just confusing animals and mammals. Cause they’re both mals.
It’s wild to me… And then to get mad? Like “how dare you make me learn something”
Proud ignorance is basically a religion in the US now.
Not the US BTW.
I was just speaking to my own experience here.
I’m vegan, but i eat cows. Cows aren’t animals, cows are cows.
The look to which my response is “Oh… I’m sorry I didn’t know about your disability”.
Well if not animals, what are they? Plants? Mushrooms? lmao
Mushrooms are Plants! /s
One of the true Cincinnati Bengals.
Can someone explain the memes template/what it is trying to convey.
I get the text, but I am unfamiliar with the meme and what the face it meant to be portraying.
I took it to be another version of this Homelander reaction. Basically a look of disdain and disgust. Spiked with a bit of superiority complex.
This particular image is just doing the rounds now because it’s from a recent Sweeney Todd interview, or whatever her name is.
Sweeney Todd, Demon Barber of Jean Street
That’s suspiciously specific.
I was at a trivia night and a question was, “Apart from humans, what’s the two highest populated species in the animal kingdom?”
Now, I’m not the smartest brain inhabiting a future corpse, but I did do basics in school.
I say to my group, “Maybe plankton? But I don’t know if there’s some technicality over that being a plant or something. If I were to guess, probably ants and then flies.” We agreed and went with that.
NOPE!!!
Cats and dogs apparently!!!
This didn’t even make sense to us if considering just the mammals.
I protested.
The quiz master said “The question is about the animal kingdom.”
“Well, if insects aren’t animals, what are they?”
He dug in his heels, we weren’t getting the points. And to make things even more bizarre, most other teams said cats and/or dogs to get 1 or 2 points.
We found a new trivia night.
Humans aren’t even in the top 10. They’re probably not in the top 100, really.
If he meant mammals the answer is mice and rats.
Arson out of the question due to rain?
The most annoying part of that is that cats and dogs both eat meat! He thinks there are more cats and dogs than the chickens and cows (etc) we feed them? What demented food web did they teach him in elementary school biology?
Also isn’t there like 12 bazillion chickens per person? No fucking way could it be cats/dogs.
26 billion chickens globally, apparently.
That’s a lot less than I expected.
We probably churn through that amount every six months 🫤 But would they even still exist without us? The existential crisis of the chicken.
Fucker crosses the road gets made kebab.
Thought I’d make a “What is my purpose?” meme
Needed a picture of a chicken to cover the robot…
Welp, no need to make the meme anymore…
looks pretty good ngl
Rats? There are millions and millions of them. They breed rapidly. But, I would’ve assumed it was some type of insect.
Yeah, we had originally thought mice until our brains went exoskeleton.
Edit: That makes it sound like we were so open mind d our brains fell out 🤣
If they’d fallen out you’d probably have gone with cats and dogs like the other brain dead people at that quiz.
I would have guessed ants, but I think they’re just in the top 10? I wonder if humans are even in the top 1000, lol.
im really intrested. what is their answer for if insects were not animals?
They didn’t have one and just doubled down on them not having vertebrae so therefore weren’t part of the animal kingdom.
“What animal breathes through its butt”
I answered sea cucumber. They wanted sea turtle. But we complained and they accepted our answer too :)
There might be the nuance that there are many species of ants and flies, though still idk if any one of them outdoes humans, their pets and chickens.
Wikipedia’s page on biomass says that ants can compete with humans in global biomass (though the estimates vary wildly), but there are 15700 species of ants.
Antarctic krill is the safest bet with shittons of them in just one species.
Cats and dogs aren’t even species; they’re vague categories. I tried to find the actual answer to this question, but trying to nail down individual species is proving impossible. Every source is like “copepods” or “ants” like that isn’t incredibly broad. ChatGPT says it’s the Antarctic krill with 5x10^14 individuals. Going from there, the WWF says there’s over 7x10^14 , and Wikipedia only says they’re one of the most abundant species. I’m not going to get an answer to this question, and I’m going to be mildly annoyed about it infrequently for the rest of time.
I know it’s the formatting being goofy, but 7x1014 is a very, very large number.
Krill were my first choice, squids might be up there too, but the word ‘species’ instead of a more broad taxonomic term is a special limit.
Some kind of jellyfish might be a good candidate, but I’d probably go with smaller plankton for sheer numbers (as opposed to biomass).
Actually, this is how I look at people who think stating that insects are animals makes them big brains… Its right up there, with “Spiders arent incests because they have 8 legs.” or “The sun is actually a star!” or “America is actually a continent”. Its always the most basic of shit that people who try to make others feel small use during these annoying conversations.
Insect? Or incest? Freudian slip?
What are you doing,
stepbro? ;)
The other ones being, there is actually no such thing as a fish, and a tomato is a fruit not a vegetable.
That fish thing is gonna be the next big culture war. Some fucking idiot is going to say that if you eat Salmon, youre a cannibal because Salmon share like 60 to 70% of their DNA with humans and then we will be off to the races. Next will be interspecies erotica… And its OK, cos 60% is close enough… or something… lol
“Spiders aren’t incests because they have 8 legs.”
Umm, actually, spiders sometimes ARE incests. In fact, an article I saw when googling that said that it was actually safer for the male when they were incests (as they’re less likely to be killed and eaten). And they can be or not be incests for reasons other than their 8 legs…
“The sun is actually a star!”
You think these people know biology nowadays? Come on now, look around you. If anything, they’re trying to get rid of biology courses in schools
Everyday language don’t care about biology. Language is about communicating concepts. Sometimes the evolution history may be of relevance. Sometimes it is a hindrance.
Don’t worry ladies and gentlemen, language doesn’t matter anymore.
Really they’re trying to get rid of education as a whole in schools.
In the US, yes.
Indeed, especially science that explains reality in any form
Removed the annoying text next to her face.
I know right, just horrible to credit someone who created the content you’re viewing.
You think they took that photo?
You know what a meme is, right?
You usually use an image that already exists and add funny or reflective text to it to make it a meme.
They made the meme. By adding the text and putting their handle on it. No reason to go out of your way to remove that.
Yea but they don’t own the rights to the original image so they have no right putting their advertising on it.
You should show them by not engaging with memes at all!
slaps text over image grabbed from the internet
I are content creator.
So people that make memes aren’t worthy of credit?
You’re obviously someone who looks at memes, or you wouldn’t be in this comment section. Why would you support someone going out of their way to remove that?
Are you saying that if I go to imgflip and spend 10 seconds putting text on an image; that I can… No, that I deserve to put my watermark on it? That my meme is so sacred, and so important, that I should make sure to plug my Instagram on it? Look at me! Look at me! I made a funny everyone! Please acknowledge me!
If someone slaps their name on something that cost them next to zero time, effort, or creativity, then it’s not credit. It’s just a fucking ad.
If you’re talking about advertising their Instagram or whatever it is yes, I think they should be allowed to do that because its only as successful as the meme is.
The creativity of a memes text has always been the most important angle of it so if someone is good at that why would you want someone to go out of their way to remove any credit to them?
If someone is a twitch streamer playing a video game and has a clip circulating based off of something funny they said in game or a skilled play they make in the game they should be credited too and this isn’t really that different. They didn’t create the game, they added a context to it that drove engagement.
The text the person came up with obviously get engagement or it wouldn’t have ended up here. It isn’t like this person made this all with AI or whatever it takes a moderate amount of skill to make a meme engaging enough to end up on obscure sites like Lemmy so why not credit the funny thing the person came up with?
I’m not saying they deserve a fucking award or a parade, but simply not removing their name to give them credit isn’t asking too much. In fact, you’d have to spend 15 seconds or whatever to go out of your way to remove that.
Why?
I’m an animal too
Heretic!
I’m more of a slime mold myself.
You too!?
I have never in my life met a person who thought that insects aren’t animals, what are you talking about?
I mean, considering that this is a successful meme on two different platforms and that there are multiple comments giving their own examples, I would assume that it’s a behaviour that a lot of people come across, regardless of your personal experience.
We live in a world where people who believe in jewish space lazers and think they’re going to get 5G from vaccines exist, and you find this hard to believe?
i envy you. i’ve met people who don’t thrnk birds are animals, including one veterinarian.
I mean, yeah, government drones are not animals, I don’t see the problem here.
Do they also believe that birds aren’t real?
birds must be a carrot. Surely?
Lots of people think that animal means mammal. They are animals, but they are not mammals.
is that kinda like how beastkin aren’t monsters because they can speak?
if that’s the case, are elves people or demons?
further, dragons that talk, should they be considered beastkin or monsters?
I believe some people consider elves demons, but they aren’t really “people” or demons, they are their own classification of beings. I believe they are considered a type of humanoid.
I think the form of the dragon probably matters for determining beastkin or monsters, since monsters is more about the form than the lack of intelligence/lack of speaking ability, I think.
A lot of people appear to think that animal=mammal or animal=vertebrate. I remember when in history class we had to discuss differences between humans and other animals. The girl I had as my partner told me fish and dolphins weren’t animals.
people that
people *who
whomst’d’v-eth
“People that” is fine in informal writing, which a meme certainly qualifies as.
When I was in third grade I had an argument with my teacher who told me that insects were not animals. I was really into nature documentaries and books at the time and I knew that insects were in the animal kingdom. I remember going home and being really mad about it. That really soured me on school for the rest of my life. I’m still bitter about it!
autism has entered the chat
Maybe. I’ve wondered if I’m on the spectrum. Either way that teacher was definitely wrong.
I’m mostly joking, but not getting over it so many years later is a symptom of autism, fyi
I was mainly joking, I’m definitely over it.
my mom started to dye her hair when I was a small child, and not joking - I’m still not over it … I really do hold onto things that long, and I’m beginning to wonder if I might be on the spectrum 😅
My third grade teacher told me that negative numbers aren’t real.
Reflecting back on it thirty years later, it’s clear what she meant, but the poorly communicated statement and arguments she made were very upsetting to me, someone who at the time was very proud of having just learned the concept.
In the moment, I had the same reaction as you. Shortly thereafter, my mom - who was not at all a fan of that teacher - took my brother and me out of public school and we started homeschool.
I really wish teachers understood that the correct response to that is “yes, but that’s something you’ll be learning later, for now we’re going to not deal with that.” That’s how my Jr high math teacher dealt with me forgetting algebra and attempting to invent calculus because the rate of change seemed the easiest solution to the problem.
That said, I’ve met education students. You’ve got some bright people who really love kids or teaching, but you’ve got plenty of people who never really understood stem subjects. It was a revelation to learn that yeah a lot of grade school teachers don’t get math.
Sometimes teachers repeat a lesson plan over and over, and a small innocuous statement grows in intensity with each retelling and each argument with students as the teacher digs in their heels, until it’s ballooned into something silly. I’ve also heard that suction and centrifugal force are a myth.
OK, I understand that you’re trying to make a point to better my understanding of the material you are currently teaching, but now I’m hung up on this weird thing you said. It usually comes down to something “the language to describe this thing is insufficient when expressed this way” but the way they say it is like “this concept is a lie, full stop, no more thinking.”
Maybe they initially wanted to use more definitive statements to make students listen in class or something.
Yeah, I’ve been on the same page.
Fortunately I haven’t been in a formal classroom setting in years.
Silimar, I had a teacher ask us to write down the first animal that came to mind and I wrote, “wolf spider” because to an 8 year old, there are few more bad ass sounding animals.
She said “really? That’s the First animal you think of?” Eye roll
Me: looks down at doodles of giant spiders battling tanks that shoot lightning, “it’s the only animal I’m thinking of right now…”
I guess compared to the other examples at least she didn’t try and persuade you it wasn’t an animal, just a bit crap at embracing a child’s natural enthusiasm and kind of immediately killing their sense of enquiry by making it in to an experience of being judged.
I had a teacher in 6th grade who told us that God placed the earth the perfect distance from the Sun; a few inches closer and we’d all burn, and a few inches further and we’d all freeze. I got detention for standing on top of my desk and asking why I wasn’t on fire yet.
That kinda shattered my view of teachers being arbiters of knowledge.
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he’s out of line but he’s right
I wish teachers like that actually learned from these experiences
The problem isn’t teachers, it’s that religion is a severe mental illness.
Also, that’s a specious argument because if the Earth wasn’t in the Goldilocks zone it would be a dead planet and we wouldn’t have evolved on it over billions of years to make the observation that it is the right distance from the Sun to harbour life.
Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!”
- Douglas Adams
Was that Douglas Adams? I remember Richard Dawkins using that as an example. I always thought it was a really good analogy.
Yes, it was Douglas Adams, first published in The Salmon of Doubt.
“Oh no, not again”
- bowl of petunias
Or that mushrooms aren’t plants.
Mushroom = sex organ of alien invaders
Me when I’m eating that fungussy
Um, ackshully, mushrooms are vegetables!
keep your crockpot ideas out of my biology forum
Then why is the mushroom (that we see) called the fruiting body?
Mushrooms are obviously fruit.
Because eating them turns frogs gay.
mutters to self don’t take the bait
Chill, he’s just being a fun guy!
If you’re serious, I think you’re mistaken who’s making the statement. I’ve had conversations with humanity majors who made comments about mushrooms being plants despite the obvious fact that they don’t photosynthesize. Never mind that they breath oxygen in and release co2.
Mushrooms were considered plants until the 70s, maybe they just had outdated textbooks in school.
Maybe. He’s old enough, but he also gets a lot of his “science” from old scifi novels.
Some plants don’t photosynthesize either (e.g. Orobanchaceae). Its not the photosynthesis that makes the plant
