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    Climate change is real and we’re causing it

    “I definitely did not do this and won’t change anything I do.”

    Blue M&Ms cause cancer

    “How could the M&M people do this to me?”

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    Where does the 97% figure come from? I thought it’s pretty much unanimous at this point?

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      The rest believe it too, but their papers are deliberately written in such a way that journalists can misinterpret them.

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      97% was reported by earlier small surveys, but I think the most rigorous and widely reported survey of scientists was Harris Interactive in 2007.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change#2005–2009

      That was followed up in 2010 by a survey of specifically climate scientists, whom hit 97-98%.

      The ‘concensus’ has been constantly challenged in conservative media and circles so there have been many such surveys / meta-analyses continuing over the years and it’s been hitting 100% for the last several years. If any idiot ever parrots “science doesn’t work on concensus” my usually response is something like, “no it doesn’t, but when an entire field of scientists have determined a theory to have vast evidence-based backing its considered settled. The only thing that would change that is significant contradictory data being presented, yet instead every year we’re measuring huge volumes of data that confirm the concensus.”

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    I don’t know, the %3 of scientists I paid were awfully expensive, I should probably trust them for ROI.

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    Luckily my parents acknowledged it long ago. And they have always been careful to not be wasteful. Public transportations, travel less and only by trains, less heating/cooling, recycle, collect rain water. They’ve done enough and sadly, there’s little else average people can do.

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    For being a science meme group, I’m seeing a distinct lack of understanding of how psychology, especially cognitive bias, works.

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      For being a science meme community, it’s a place people can vent about things that they can’t vent about elsewhere. We can understand psychological phenomena, but still be personally frustrated by it.

      Though I do wish this post weren’t targeted toward Boomers. Younger people buy into this type of thing, too.

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    The irony is that boomers have been alive long enough to remember how different the climate used to be. They’ll remark how it never snows as much as it used to, or how there are more storms, fires, droughts, etc. Yet they refuse to see that climate change is what is causing this change.

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      The boomers in my life are starting to come around with it but they believe and combination of

      1. it’s not man made
      2. it won’t be as bad as people say/we can’t know the future
      3. green tech like electric vehicles are too expensive

      The first two are frustrating but don’t really matter if we can engineer our way out of three. My dad got solar panels because they would pay for themselves eventually. I’m not saying we can just green tech our way out of the climate crisis but if green tech gets good enough it will go a LONG way

      These are just anecdotes from interacting with my family. Your mileage may vary

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      It’s not that climate change is causing this change of climate. The change of climate is climate change. That’s why it’s ridiculous for someone to say “Oh, the climate’s changing. But it isn’t climate change!”

      Oh no, it must be those pesky democrats and their secret government weather control /s. Trying to convince people to believe in climate change so they can… checks notes… promote self-sufficiency through renewable energy…

      What’s causing it is primarily greenhouse gasses along with several other compounding factors (deforestation, concrete and asphalt coverage, melting ice caps, etc.).

      So yes, human-induced. No one would run a gas-powered lawnmower indoors, but somehow they believe that billions of people driving outside every day is totally fine?

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      Yet they refuse to see that climate change is what is causing this change.

      If they accept climate change, it means they have to acknowledge that their actions helped cause this and it means they need to change their behavior. People aren’t good at either but most Boomers especially suck at self-reflection.

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        “Generation Me” is chock full of narcissists. And the one thing narcissists are never going to do is consider that they are the root of the very problems at hand.

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        Which isn’t true either. They are not fully responsible. I can’t blame them for believing that personal co2 foot print nonsense. The oil industry poured billions into that campaign

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          They are not fully responsible.

          My exact words were “Helped cause this”. At no point did I hold them solely responsible.

          I can’t blame them for believing that personal co2 foot print nonsense.

          You say that like Boomers don’t own and hold management positions in companies that pollute. Also, corporations being the main polluters doesn’t absolve individuals of guilt when they make bad decisions.

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          they voted for the policies that enabled it all and didn’t challenge their governments. If you’re a white boomer that isn’t in poverty, you ain’t on my innocent card

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            True that. But right now people are voting for the right while the right tell them straight to the face they will kill them.

            Apparently that is appealing for some people. Idk.

            And the old political parties are also shifting to the right following the capitalism.

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            They fell for the lies they wanted to hear because they propped up their ability to have it all. Fuck 'em.

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      I’m in my 30s and remember the weather being very different in my childhood… winter never had 30 degree differences between yesterday and today like we had this past week. Was nearly 60 degrees one day and then we got 6+ inches of snow the next day.

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        i’m mid 40s in central europe and can clearly remember that summers were around 32°C max in my childhood, last 2 years we had 40°C. I can remember winter being a lot colder, regulary freezing the Danube river for extended periods, allowing skating - these times it’s a bad idea stepping on the thin ice that never freezes over completely. And i can clearly remember huge amounts of insects, making a mess of the windshield when driving - nowadays the windshield nearly stays clean. The boomers are lying to themselves, because the truth is too hard to acknowledge.

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          I’m assuming the hotter temperatures are also increased by how much concrete there is compared to back then. Also the floods. They build warehouses on fields and then be surprised all the water goes into rivers. I’m in my late 20s and remember ice skating on local river in the city and there being more snow that lasted longer. Now if it even snows it’s gone in few days.

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            I’m living in Vienna, having grown up in this city. I can assure you that while the city has grown, it actually put a lot of effort into primarily increasing population density instead of growing into the countryside (well, they have expanded too, but not by much in comparison to the population growth). The extra heat does not come from more concrete here - Vienna is one of the greenest large cities in Europe, and with lots of forest surrounding the west and the river going through it is a pretty privileged situation overall. Also, this year for example i can count the amount of days below 0°C on one hand - i haven’t seen ice in any meaningful amount. All together i’d say our temperature window has shifted by around 10°C upwards since the late 80.

            Edit: Just looked it up, it really seems like the average didn’t move as much as the temperature maxima/minima.

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              Also, this year for example i can count the amount of days below 0°C on one hand

              I can count the number of days this year on one hand…

              For real though, I knew what you meant. I just couldn’t resist the opportunity (after all, there’s only five days a year when this joke might apply)

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    Cancer is something Boomers fear because many of them will die from it. Climate change isn’t anything they have to really worry about because they left it for their kids to deal with.

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    Most of the boomers I knew growing up acknowledged climate change.

    They also acknowledged that they didn’t care because they wouldn’t be around long enough to feel the severe effects of it.

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      I’ve never heard anyone say that about climate change, really.

      Those that agree with facts know it’s a thing and really would love to see it go, but what can we do? We’re not politicians, we’re not rich, we’re not powerful.

      We’re separating our plastics and paper and what not, we try to avoid the car, we use public transportation, bicycles… But what are we supposed to do? We cannot fix this, er cannot stop this.

      Just saying “boomers don’t care” is a bullshit statement. In not a boomer, but I know enough of them. Just saying that it’s all the boomers fault is easy enough but it won’t solve anything.

      Start at least blaming politicians and the rich. They’re the ones that got us here, they’re the ones that keep is here

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        Listen, I don’t disagree with you regarding the class divide, but this is my own experience with plenty members of the older generation, including my own parents.

        I’m not saying they all do, nor do I really think it’s a starting point for dealing with the issue either, but that’s what this meme is about. Again, it’s just my own experience and I’m sorry that it seems to upset you.

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          Maybe it’s a bit strong to say they don’t care. Most I know, they do care but it’s low on the priority list, after “the economy” which affects their savings held up in stocks…

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        I dunno, most boomers I know, including my parents, do not really care much and think it’s just the next generation’s problem and, just like themselves, every generation has their own problems 🤷‍♀️

        I also blame the rich and politicians first and foremost but there is in fact a little blame to go around to all of us too, including me, but also totally boomers too lol

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      Or, speaking as someone right on the cusp of boomers / gen x, we acknowledged and cared about it, but there wasn’t enough support for it to allow us to do anything beyond rambling and sounding like a bunch of fanatical (^('s.

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      My mother switched from “it’s not real” to “it’s real, but we aren’t causing it”

      There is no winning here

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        No unfortunately it’s the future consequences. We’ve already passed the +2c of global warming two and a half decades earlier than expected. Which was the threshold for significant but not world ending effects if we had hit it in 2050. At our current pace we’re looking at the near worst case scenario by 2050, which only a small percentage of boomers might live to see. Most won’t see most of the effects of climate change.