Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don’t think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we’ll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.
Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began
In 2019.
I honestly wonder if it was always the plan to waste the GOPs money on a campaign against Biden up until the nomination was locked in. Biden did say he’d be a 1 term president after all. The move makes Biden come off as the better person, makes room for a (slightly) younger, far more capable and progressive candidate, and wasted a ton of the GOPs effort and money. I’m truly hopeful that not only will Harris win, but due to all the shit slinging going on in the house and Senate, the left wins back a ton of seats making it so Harris’s term is as effective as possible. I’m 90% sure most seats in the house are up for grabs this coming vote.
Still far more selfless than Trump though. I’m sure we can absolutely agree there.
I guess? When trump is the bar, it’s pretty easy to come out on top
It ain’t about a bar though is it.
It’s a presidential race.
Realistically, it’s between 2 people.
Yes. I don’t understand your point?
Anyways…
Yeah, he fucked over everyone by participating in the primaries.
agreed, never should have tried for the second bite.
however… dems now have an opportunity to own the news cycle from here until the election. if they do even a halfway decent job, we start trending from “narrow loss” -> “political landslide”.
I don’t think all the messaging in the world can fix the reality that Biden hasn’t improved material conditions of the people who voted for him in 2020, or even gone to the mat fighting for them.
The only things he’s really gone around congress or the SCOTUS for is to deny more asylum seekers and give more weapons to Israel and Ukraine.
the current reality is not the future reality - thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”. personally, I think it can work to keep trump out of office. this is a generational moment and the dems have it on their side.
so, with luck, we get to reject trump and, depending on the turnout, watch where progressives settle around.the seat of power.
between the dems and republicans, they have whittled down progressive representation, but its still there.
The real powerplay if Trump loses would be to pass an amendment setting a maximum age to run for president. Maybe tie it to retirement age. Old enough to receive social security, too old to run. Ideally you make that apply to all political offices, but I’m not that optimistic. Not that I think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of this actually happening as that would be a sane and sensible thing to do and therefore antithetical to everything our current crop of politicians stand for.
dream big dreams.
if we manage to hobble past this brush against the mirror, then cool. maybe we don’t like the monster after all.
Whoever the candidate is, they have to avoid talking about Israel and use vague language on the issue. If they come out swinging for Israel I think it would not be a good look.
No messaging or surrogate can have a good answer to “why haven’t you already done it?”
If instead of vaguely suggesting there might be a ceasefire sometime in the future if the dems remain in power, they stopped all arms shipments to Israel and sanctioned them until all Palestinians are granted equal political rights and right-to-return, you wouldn’t be asking yourself “How do I dress up support for an ongoing genocide”, you’d be telling people “We ended apartheid”
this is where you use surrogates. signal with the surrogates and keep yourself out of the fray.
we will learn a lot by who is doing the most interesting talking on behalf of the campaign.
thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”
That works when you’ve had 8 years of Bush and are campaigning on free healthcare, ending the wars, federal legalization of cannabis. It works when you’ve had 4 years of Trump and everyone thinks the democrats will defund the police, provide free healthcare and college, abolish ICE, codify roe, pack the court, etc. Then when you fail to do any of that, you get the shit kicked out of you 2 years later.
The dems cannot campaign on hope when they’ve demonstrated that they will not give the people what they want.
This isn’t a messaging problem, it’s a “triangulating yourself to be 2 inches left of republicans and then acting surprised when your base doesn’t show up” for 30+ years problem.
many of biden’s appointees such as his NLRB pick are better than the last 3 democrats.
How much of that was blocked in some way by the reps? Every time the peanut gallery chimes in with “what did Dems ever get accomplished?” they never provide the required addendum that reps are obstructionists.
agreed. the Democrats have been abusive. cant really do anything about that until we have a better nomination, funding and voting system.
trump is a time dilation machine. the closer we get to him the shorter my horizon gets. keeping him away from the near dictatorial powers the supreme court just sanctioned is my primary objective.
I (and perhaps you) and many others should remember that the age we grew in defined us. the younger see things a little differently
I am just tryng to make enough space between the ancient vampires and our kids to allow them to have a say in their future.
Supporting unions so they got their demands for better conditions through, student debt forgiveness, everything his FTC appointment has been doing to fight monopolies, etc
He absolutely has. We’re getting public transit built out. Caps on overdraft fees. Capped the price of insulin. Invalidated most non-compete clauses. Oh, and he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
That’s just what I can name of the top of my head. He was a better president than Obama.
Yeah, Biden invested in long term improvement for the first time in a long time. Yeah it’s not paying out immediately, we’re struggling in part because we kept expecting immediate returns. It’s gonna stay a bit rough for a little while longer but it’s stabilizing with hope on the horizon.
Or we could cash out our savings again…
We’re getting public transit built out
Nothing around me except wider highways, nor anyone I know. Unless the brightline is part of that, which is nice, but doesn’t compete with airfare and driving.
Caps on overdraft fees
lmao just get rid of them, people who have no money don’t need less penalties, they need no penalties. There is not a “medium overdraft fees” constituency who will vote against the dems if they get rid of overdraft fees.
Capped the price of insulin
See previous response. If you have the power to cap it, you have the power to make it free.
he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Stop trying to make trump’s army of divorced Jet Ski dealers sound cool. Most Americans hate congress and Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
He literally ended the covid protections, told people not to wear masks, and a bunch of Americans did receive long-term injury or death from covid before they stopped counting.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
Because of our actions, Ukraine will never be safe within our lifetimes. Every bomb we send is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. Any stance except peace as soon as possible demonstrates that you care less about the lives of the actual people living in Ukraine than you do supporting imperialism.
We could have had peace with similar terms to what we can get now two years ago, and millions would be alive and in their homes right now. But instead we decided to fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
He was a better president than Obama.
The patron saint of drones, who halved black wealth to bail out the banks? The deporter-in-chief who paved the way for Trump? That’s not the flex you think it is.
Back to back to back garbage takes lmao. Spare us your sanctimonious ‘improving things is unworthy of praise because they didn’t immediately make it perfect’ line of reasoning. It serves only to cause inaction and infighting. I’d much rather some improvement rather than no improvement.
By the way, don’t act like the Ukrainians don’t have a right to defend themselves, and don’t act like this isn’t an existential conflict for them. If you’re so worried about condemning imperialism, then maybe you should take a look at what Russia’s revanchist land grab here would be called, and then consider if maybe we should support the little guy so that they don’t get bowled over by an imperialist power looking to take back the glory days.
Anyways, nice bait.
Besides everything else being nonsense, every word about Ukraine is a lie because Putin explicitly NEVER wanted peace, he wants all of Ukraine and just like with Crimea he intends to take it bit by bit. Ukraine are the ones who chose fight, and you want to abandon them so Russia can occupy them and kill all the resistance under your watch, just like they’re doing in all the regions they already occupied and control. That would spill MORE blood than convincing Russia they will lose the conflict and lose all land.
… Unlike Johnson, who didn’t. And that worked out well for president Humphries in '68.
Not that I’m suggesting that this was intentional or that he did right to wait, but there are a few upsides. Trump and the Republicans were fully prepared and frothing to take on that blubbering old man from that last debate, but now they’re actually going to make a case for Trump over a (hopefully) real contender. And many Democrat voters went from feeling defeated and apathetic, potentially enough to not even bother voting, to being charged with a second chance and a (again, hopefully) more exciting candidate to support. If Biden had declared his intention not to run again before the primaries, the Republicans would have had much longer to prepare and pick apart someone who wasn’t such an easy target, and Dems would have been infighting over the nuances of a dozen candidates and pissed off at each other. And, if Harris is the presumptive nomination, for better or worse, the knee jerk reaction from the Right will probably be to play up the racist and sexist angles, which should drive moderates away from the right, not away from Harris.
It’s all conjecture, but I only see this as a net positive compared to where we were yesterday.
More importantly imo: it put Biden and the Dems in the news and overshadowed the attempted assassination. Which kept its new cycle short and put the dems back on top. Trump hates being out of the news, and was right that the media wants him back because they loved the numbers he provided. The DNC should make a circus out of this to keep it in the news and with constant breaking news events. It’s stupid, and I hate it, but it would help them win.
I mean, 5d chess if true.
but that would be a dangerous, stupid game - and we know they would never do that, right? right?
its more of a mr bean dodging a certain death by finding a penny after wandering into a closed off area scenario, but I’ll take it.
He never had plans to only run one term.
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I am aware of that, considering that the article I linked is a direct response to that claim. If you notice the article you link does not quote Biden, but an anonymous source, and when reporters asked Biden he said: “I don’t have any plans on one term.”
Everyone can look like a genius with hindsight.
And everyone should have foreseen the age problem with Biden running a second term…
I think most will agree, dnc should have started pushing another candidate the week after jan6.
Biden himself ran on being one term.
Biden himself ran on being one term.
No he didn’t
I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I’m unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.
I can’t imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).
I’m so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there’s less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.
There was a significant effort to hide Biden’s disability. The upper echelons in the Dem party have a lot to answer for.
You think the Repubs are ever gonna even put in any effort to hide Trumps disability?
Cos frankly, it’s starting to feel like it doesn’t matter when it’s their king. what are your thoughts? Does trump suffer from entropy like the rest of us?
It’s one of those things, strategy. If I point out an obvious flaw in the Dem’s candidate, it doesn’t follow that the opposition is superior. Trump can rot in hell for all I care. I don’t give a tin shit about his plan or strategy. I just want the best person the Dems can find to take him down. Pretty simple really.
But you realise that having discussions like that on open public forums just legitimises the particularly twisted viewpoints of maga people then… Surely.
There are only gonna be 2 people (realistically) in the race if you truly care about what you claim… Then fuck no do the dem party not have shit all to answer for… not when you compare them to maga.
And like you said. Strategy. That’s all thats important for Americans right now.
Don’t know what you are talking about. I think that the issue is now resolved. They just left things on hold for too long.
For goodness sake. It’s not just the MAGA lunatics. The whole world saw the debate. People like you are asking us to disbelieve our own eyes. Being a realist doesn’t make you an enemy.
Anyway, chill, the problem has been resolved and the orange ape is going down. Unity is the watchword. The only old fluck in the race in Trump.
He’s just disabled. He’s just old, like Trump.
He only planned to serve one term? I’m sure you have a source for that…?
UPDATE: I was wrong, they have a source!
lol editing to defend yourself before anyone responds? I can’t even downvote buddy.
Yeah I was mistaken, I checked and it seems like if anyone said that it was the campaign and not Biden himself.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
He is though!!! That’s why I’m excited about Harris! She’s only 59!
That’s what I’ve been waiting for
He’s old as fuck and shits his diapers on stage
He walks around with a frame when there aren’t any cameras.
It’s not mocking to point out a fact.
179 year old man mocks 182 year old man for how old he is.
Harris is the nominee now. Get a clue
Go easy on them, they haven’t been handed their talking points yet, so are contractually obligated to continue with the last set they were given.
Takes time to retrain the AI models.
Apply aloe vera. THAT IS A BURN.
“ChatGPT crystal ball, tell us how we can attack Kamala from the right!” - Fox News
(Spews 500 pages of racism)
“Hmm, can we go with this?”
Weird that this type of comment gets a lot of immediate downvotes with no comment
That’s okay, the GOP will mock the “Democrats” for repeatedly having an un-democratic primary election.
Lol y’all can downvote me… The funny thing is I’m probably on your side, I just like integrity.
You’re all living in a bubble and it won’t help you win unless you’re prepared to face the reality. You will need to be able to answer to the conservatives when they call out this valid point.
You love to see it.
“The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election.”
— Nikki Haley, in January.
BTW, I think it would be good for Dems to always call Trump 80. It will be a good irritation for Republicans
Have we seen his birth certificate?! Maybe he actually is 80…
Many people are saying it - Is Trump too old for the Presidency? I hear it all the time from fine folks. Shouldn’t we answer these folks? All we need to see if the birth certificate. Maybe Trump is younger then actually says. We don’t know. Many people asking questions.
I’ve been getting down voted for saying it for a year…
But yeah, trump doesn’t stand a fucking chance now. Also, this is probably the only way to get people excited about Kamala.
2028 better be a real primary or we just kicked the can down the road.
Harris still has a lot of animosity towards her from her time as a prosecutor, but I’m thinking she’s at least a better candidate than biden. The expected republican attacks of “she’s black” and “she’s a woman” probably won’t sway anyone as much as “Joe Biden personally shoots Palestinian kids.”
She’ll be fine.
Moderates like her already, and as someone who’s had to vote Hillary and Joe in the last two elections…
It’s easier for progressives to hold their nose when they have the benefit of the doubt about how bad the candidate is.
We’re fucking fighting fascism bro, her being a DA might even be a good thing if she’s actually down to fight fascists. Don’t forget before McCarthyism we had capitalists allying with communists to fight fascism.
Hell, if she pulls a “I know the system, I know it needs fixed, and I look forward to being president so it can be fixed” would guarantee she’s the next prez.
It doesn’t take much, we’rre just coming off the two worst Dem candidates in modern history, and still got a trump hangover from his term. So Kamala would have to really fuck shit up to lose.
Ughhh I am NOT looking forward to the racist pieces of shit who will go on and on now about “SEE! Democrats won’t even let you pick a candidate, they have to shove their DEI applicant down our throats!”
That aspect is going to be ugly, but I don’t worry that it will affect the results too much. The hardcore racist sexist folk never voted Dem anyway.
Yup. If that’s the worst they got, she’s in a pretty good place. Not like we haven’t heard it all before.
You know it will probably be either the Harris reelection effort, or no election due to complications from Trumpitis
Harris against Trump Jr. and they will claim Harris is too old.
Damn, I just found out Kamala is almost 60…
I don’t know why I thought Biden would have picked someone young enough to be president after him.
Should have gotten one of the “kids” in their 40s.
We need to stop running elderly people, if Biden had done two and she did two after, she’d be in her 70s too
We’re stuck in this situation where we demand “experience” but the people holding the spots that count for “experience” are decades past retirement age.
Almost 60 is fine. She’s still got the majority of her mental faculties that she had at her peak. Low chance of her just randomly kicking over at any given time unlike the two candidates we had in this election until yesterday.
Almost 60 is fine.
It is.
But if Biden did a second term, she’d be 64.
And 72 at the end of her two terms.
Which is why I’m saying Biden should have picked a you Obama type who’s a decade younger for VP.
Instead of someone who would be in their 70s if everything went to plan.
Even if she would serve two terms in a row, she would still only be 67 by the time shes finished, so thats still way younger than what Trump or Biden have been during their terms.
Right.
But apparently Biden always intended to run twice, making her 71 at the end of her second term…
But 67 is still too old for lots of people. And above everything thing else the presidency is a popularity contest.
Younger candidates like Obama and Bill get more votes, which carries down ballot races, and let’s us get the House and Senate so the president can get shit done.
I Don’t follow. In your example Biden would have served as president while 85. 71 is a problem in this logic how?
Gotta keep the pressure up.
Make her promise to an open and fair 2028 primary before the 2024 election.
None of this wishwashy shit where everyone close to Biden promise it’s a one turn thing, but the candidate doesn’t understand how shitty of a candidate they are.
Kamala’s gonna win because she’s not trump. Not because she’s what Dem voters want.
lol, politicians and promises.
I could see how nominating Harris this way could run people the wrong way, and both she and the DNC should vow to run a full and fair primary for the 2028 Presidential Elections. As in, treating Harris as if that would be the end of her second term (but still allowing her to run for nomination).
The Nikki Haley PAC donated to Harris as soon as it was announced
Just go with 92, it’s 45+47, and start marking up the 45-47 signs with a plus.
Oh… it’s mocking when Dems do it…
Why isn’t it just behavioural parity?
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
It’s Murc’s Law in action is what it is.
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
No, because democratic voters at least occasionally have principles.
I get what you’re saying here, but if Dems start acting “equivalently” to Republicans we’re gonna have a real big, serious problem.
To an extent, I say it’s about time you do.
Not with policy or law breaking. Not that crazy shit.
But rhetorically. Imho it’s time for American Dems to stop playing so nice…
The evidence is all available online. If you support trump for office you want a king.
We already have a real big, serious problem.
Though I agree, dropping to their level just let’s them go lower.
Imho it does nothing.
No dropping or raising of the level from dema has affected maga discourse in the least.
They will do the exact same shit. We have had too many years to learn that lesson now.
Either smack back (rhetorically) or they will just make up something anyway.
They go lower regardless. “When they go low, we go high!” has become “alright guys, they’re putting trans people in the showers, but at least we played by the rules! It’s important that everyone had fun!”
I’m not asking Dems to break the rules. I would like Dems to treat the left as actual partners and take their policy seriously, instead of “we need those people to shut up or Republicans are going to burn down everything”. Republicans do not do that with their own reactionaries. They mine them for ideas and find ways to implement those policies through a long game.
Now that is a stance I can get behind. That’s just not the initial impression that’s given from the statement “we should start acting like the Republicans do”.
Thanks for the clarification.
Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?
Never have been
Well the first step in changing that is expecting that… And talking as if it expected…
That’s the point of Trump’s leadership style. Things aren’t equal. There are rules for other people, but they don’t affect him though. Hypocrisy among his flock is a virtue. It shows they will all reward each other.
When presented with the American constitution or trump, and they chose trump, its self evident that they just want a king.
So many well meaning centrists and left leaning people in America have cut maga so much slack for 8 years…
Maga definitionally wants to replace the United states constitution and establishment. The conversation should be happening on those terms. But most the outspoken left leaning voices are too scared.
They are bigots. But they can’t do that. They were there for 4 years and didn’t and couldn’t do it. I don’t see that happening if the neonazi becomes president.
The very same media keeps asking democrats to go more to the right to act the moderate / centrist role, why isn’t that any good when they copy this from Republicans? /s
Yeah, these ads almost write themselves. Show clips of right-wingers describing Biden as old and senile, then splice in clips of Trump rambling incoherently. The entire Trump campaign has been built around attacking Biden, so there will probably be a lot of tangential benefits of switching to Harris.
Ooof, I hadn’t even thought about this possibility! They could splice up some absolutely wild ads of Trump surrogates appearing to criticize Trump for being too old and senile!
Yeah, they would probably have to make it clear that they were originally talking about Biden, otherwise I think that’s fraud, but basically how I would do it.
Narrator: What did some [some Republican chud] think about Biden?
Republican Chud: You can’t have a senile, 80 year old grandpa leading the country!
-smash-cut to Trump-
Trump: Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.
Narrator: Sounds like [some Republican chud] was right!
Trump doesn’t care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.
Not just that, this is his ticket to stop all the criminal trials.
But I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit.
I just want the money.
And the illusion of power.
And puss.
I call my God hole.
And you wanna fill it with puss?
Yeah.
I nominate Shane Gillis as Trump for Kamala’s VP pick.
Also, republicans don’t care about being called out for their bullshit
He does, but only because it’s either be President or go to jail
Not just Dems saying it. Everyone is saying it.
Many people are saying it! 👐 The best people 👋 they come up to me ☝️and say, they say 👐 Mr Mad Caesar, 🤚with tears in their eyes, Mr Caesar, Trump 🍊 is just too old to be president! 👐
I’m visualizing Cartman saying this
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