I mean, it’s quite possible he’ll be dead by then

Action->Reaction.

Reaction against Obama put Trump in, right?

Reaction against Trump put Biden in, right?

I hope Harris wins, but the world-economy is being flushed, with exponential-force, down the sewer, & NO incumbent survives that kind of thing ( backlash-vote ),

AND as the book “The Big Sort” apparently explains, the cultural-segregation that mass-media push so hard creates intolerance.

Which, of course, when escalated by mass media of various alignments, keeps amplifying ( feedback-loops ) until … genociding.

The locking-Anglos-out in Quebec ( we no longer have any access to goverment phone-services in English ) is simply an earlier stage of divide-and-genocide than whan the US is in, but … it’ll get there.

Whether unconsciously or consciously, the heads of Quebec are committed to turning Canada into another Russia/Ukraina, Israel/Palestine, Deep-South racism kind of thing, in a generation or 2, for whatever they win/gain in accomplishing that.

IF Trump doesn’t win 2024, then Civil War begins in 2028, +/- a very-few months, & continues until the US is butchered-carrion.

It’s far too late to save the US: the real problem is that Animals-and-Tribes-Time mode of Kahneman1 mind ( imprint->reaction ) has already successfully highjacked the country.

As … Glubb, was it? realized, empires die at about 2.5-centuries.

There’s a book “How to Hide an Empire” on the American Empire, so anybody who wants to pretend that all the machiavellian interventions ( remember when Iraq’s intervention backfired, because they didn’t want to be a puppet-state, & wanted self-determination? That was noticed openly in some news item or other, back then… I’d not have clued-in to it, on my own, buth then, through the years… there are puppets of lobbies, aren’t there? & these lobbies work to enforce that accountability never get near them… … whatever: if humankind isn’t viable, & Natural Selection extinguishes humankind, then humankind’s herdbeast games, bullying & majority-domination, & minority-beaten/broken, same as in herds anywhere … we were supposed to be upright-human, you know? if we failed The Great Filter, well, then too bad: we earn what we earn… )

So, the identity of the ruling-class has sooo completely mismatched the actuality of the empire, now, that it’s incapable of surviving.

Same as Rome, Britain’s empire, etc…

12-13 generations, & … kaput.

The Big ( cultural ) Sort seems to be the mechanism, but DarkHexad { narcissism / machiavelianism / sociopathy-psychopathy / nihilism / sadism } is cultivated, if not directly-grown, by privilege-caste, & … well, that’s a feedback-loop too, isn’t it?

Concentration-of-privilege, concentration-of-wealth, which “says” “trickle-down economics”, but is gaslighting…

which “says” “charity”, but … when you see that literally millions of DONATED $ are pocketed by the executives of the US’s United Way … that woke socialist feminist convicted-felon Yehoshua “Jesus” ( Iosa, in Roman/Latin, I’ve been told by an actual Roman-born person ) benJoseph already laced into fake-charity, 2 millenia ago…

Part of the problem is that it isn’t a single problem: it’s actually a fractal and chaotic anti-fragile/robust mesh of problems, which all mutually-reinforce…

Narcissism conserves “validity” & excludes all it can, to prove how “exclusive” its “validity” is, right? Anti-compassion. Sociopathy is … exactly that, isn’t it?

Feedback-loop…

How can “trickle-down economics”, or “compassion for the privileged-caste/class’s inferiors” ( note the contempt in their “charity”… I was born into the upper-middle-class, & it took 7+ years of accumulated homelessness for me to crack the identity-underlying-ego that that ideology/prejudice, as all “race”, “class”, & “gender” is, in social-process, enough for me to get to some kind of objective-honestly, more than a decade later… )

The action->reaction cycle cannot be stopped, postponed, or prevented: US of A is finished.

I hope that Kamala Harris makes this last “calm before the storm” be as spiritually-thriving as she can, enforcing an increase in state-integrity, against lobbies’ undermining of everything, but it doesn’t change the pogrom/tantrum that’ll destroy about 2/3 of the US’s population in … approximately 7y from when it begins ( that is just one of the natural human-cycles, because it’s a cycle that our unconscious-mind “works” at: it’s too “stuck” to work quicker… )

You know how sometimes you have a grandparent or relative or friend or other-family, someone whom you really care about, & cancer/whatever’s killing them?

& there’s nothing you can do??

Objectively, that’s what’s happening with the US: it’s fatal, it’s implacable, only our relationship with its process, & outcome, & the way we make the process enact, can we change…

We can’t prevent the death.

We can’t prevent the reaping of the consequences of our previous-generations’ “sowing” carelessness in education, or in accommodating the “surrender” ( technical-only, not honest/total ) of the KKK/Confederates, who’ve now done to much of the country exactly what McDonnell Douglass’s beancounter-culture did to Boeing ( a “reverse takeover” )…

What has been sown, is going to be reaped, to use the Christian rendition of what the older religions call “karma”.

end of Part 1, as the Lemmy character-count blocked my commenting with the whole thing in a single entry…

I think with all the footage of Trump, and his shallow personality, an AI will be trained to impersonate him and we’ll never be rid of him. I’m sure techbros are working on their animatronic Trump right now.

I think if he loses in 24 and the republicans don’t learn their lesson, then they deserve to have him run again in 28.

Also, he’s very old. He would be 82 in 2028.

Presuming he is both alive and not in jail for the rest of his life by then, I could see him make a run of it. But those are both monumental ifs.

They might roll him out on a wheelchair and wipe away the fluids dribbling out of his ends but “run” is not a word I would use.

This is a sensitive question. Remember rule #1.

Even though I’d like him to drop off the face of the Earth, I kinda hope he does run. He’ll be even less coherent. His insane rambling will be worse. He’ll have to run as an independent, because Republicans won’t bet on a losing horse again - and he definitely would lose. It’ll be a major public humiliation, and he deserves as many of those as possible.

I would hope he would fade away. But between the need for grifted money and ego I doubt he will stop until he physically can’t any more.

I think it’s unlikely hell be alive in 2028. The problem is the people that support him now, will be. They’ll try again and again to get the things they want passed. If it’s not now, they’re patient enough to wait. They won’t stop unless they’re forced by judicial action and these people are behind bars. It’s not trump that’s the biggest issue. It’s the evil people behind him.

I don’t see him running a lot already.

He will continue running until he wins or dies.

He eats too many hamburders to survive another four years.

I hope so. He’ll likely run against Harris again, and assuming she doesn’t tank the economy I don’t see how he manages a win.

The longer he clings to power, the longer the GOP go without legitimate representation that isn’t MAGA grifters. Looking at right-wing populism elsewhere across the world, you’ll see that when the figurehead loses power they often don’t have a successor lined up - and those that do end up in the shadow of the person that won’t stop clinging to the idea that they are the “chosen one”.

I doubt it. While some people think he’ll be dead by then, I’m inclined to suspect not. However given his observed mental decline, I suspect that he’ll be even less coherent 4 years from now. He’s currently 78, and would therefore be 82 by then (birthday June 14th 1946). He’s already got a number of age-related medical issues, such as needing to wear adult diapers and said mental decline.

Behind the scenes is be surprised if he didn’t have some cardiac problems, even minor ones, and thus was on something for them, such as blood thinners or cholesterol meds. I don’t know if it’s been verified that he’s on Ozempic, but he sure has lost a lot of weight lately and I don’t think it’s from exercising.

I do expect that he’s never going to shut up though. If, hopefully, he loses this election, he’s not going to just evaporate. People are still going to give a damn about what his opinion is and who he endorses, especially his cult of followers, but also the less overtly extreme conservatives.

As a general rule, cults built around a singular person, AKA cults of personality, tend to crumble into dust and fade into history once that personality is gone. However, some cults outlive that person because someone else is there to pick up the slack and reform things just enough to make a going concern of the cult. That’s how Christianity started, that’s how Protestantism started, and if you look into it, just about every other major, lasting “religion” that had branched off of the Christianity family tree. It also goes for political, cultural, and social movements, which can be cult-like without the religious aspect being an absolute requirement, although ir can be very strongly intertwined. I don’t know where the Cult of Trump will go once old age finally catches up to him, I think it’s likely that it’ll be reabsorbed into christo-facism because the two feed off of each other pretty strongly.