Resorts World Las Vegas, a hotel that is hosting attendees of the DEF CON hacking conference this week, will perform daily inspections of rooms including those displaying a privacy sign, according to a letter from the hotel given to guests. An information security professional posted a photo of the letter online. Members of the cybersecurity community have reacted with a mix of anger and disappointment on social media.
“Welcome, and thank you for choosing Resorts World Las Vegas. We are pleased that you have joined us, as you have chosen to stay with us for relaxation, fun and excitement!” the message, written on hotel letterhead, reads.
“As you may or may not know, a well-known hacking convention will be held in Las Vegas during your stay,” it adds. DEF CON runs from August 8 to 11, with many attendees already in the city for the separate Black Hat cybersecurity conference or other events. “We remain committed to our guests’ safety and understand the utmost importance of cybersecurity, as well.”
The letter then describes what staff at Resorts World Las Vegas will be doing: “In an effort to increase the safety of our guests, we will be conducting scheduled, brief visual and non-intrusive room inspections daily beginning Monday, August 5. Rooms with a privacy sign will be included as part of the inspection process.”
How can an inspection be non-intrusive if it consists of physically entering a guest’s room? As an aside, I was hoping I could attend this year but my company said there wasn’t enough budget 🙄. Whenever I attend Defcon or Blackhat, I stay in hotels not directly within the vicinity of the con because of all the shenanigans.
Non-Intrusive in that they enter the room, which is their property and they have the right to enter, but they aren’t going through your stuff.
Renters have rights.
They do, and you agree to whatever rights are outlined in the rental agreement when you check in and sign the forms.
There are rights you can’t give up even by signing them away.
On private property, you agree to the terms the property owner sets.
There are still rights you 100% cannot sign away regardless of what property you are on.
There are also rights people think they have on private property that they absolutely do not have. ;)
So you can’t sign away your right to not have your room searched on the owner’s property?
You’re getting upvotes and the other guy down. Based on feelings.
Legal chapter and verse please.
Have you used the internet before? That’s how this works
As a parent, I have the right to enter my kids’ rooms anytime I want. If I don’t do it respectfully, it will definitely be intrusive.
The hotel does have their rights. When they abuse those rights, it becomes intrusive. Rights don’t really have anything to do with feeling that someone is being intrusive.
When you give someone the key to property you own for an exchange of money, you indeed lose that explicit right.
So, no. You are incorrect. It is their property, but they gave up the right to enter with less than 24 hrs notice when they sold the keys.
This is by definition, intrusive.
Spot the person who has never read a hotel rental agreement.
Let’s break those contract down: contracts are enforceable. Unless, they interfere with other rights you have and those take priority. How? Well there’s things like conscionability and consideration.
Consideration means, both parties have to get something in return. It can literally be a corn of rice, but it has to be something.
Conscionability means there’s things too egregious to be enforceable through contract law.
For example I can’t sign a contract that I want to be killed by someone else. It gets very complicated, but in it’s most basic form, it is unconscionable to just chalk a death up to freedom, just because you found a contract of the victim stating they want to be killed. The investigation takes priority and a prosecution’s case could be brought in spite of any contract. This render such a contract void.
So what does this fall under? Well there’s a lot of rights that people that rent a property have and that they can enforce against them against the landlords. Some of those rights pierce the veil of the contract and therefore are enforceable in spite of the contract.
Now I am not sure about the rights in this particular situation but there is a solid chance this creates a legal claim against the hotel company.
My point is, both of you are right, but you are getting down voted right now because you are ignoring the the fact that contract law, although very broad, is not absolute, and especially in this case it might be unenforceable.
Obligatory IANAL.
The biggest point of issue, if I were a lawyer, is whether or not these terms were agreed upon (or ‘not’) before or after the point of sale.
I mean yeah if it’s not in the original contract that obv makes it way easier, assuming they didn’t suddenly agree to a second contract mentioning explicitly that.
That is, either terms of the contract can be unenforceable, the whole contract could get voided or the the terms are not in the contract. Any of that means there’s a good chance the hotel is doing illegal things.
And quiet frankly, if I were the hotel I would not try that stuff, and even if I announced this, I wouldn’t follow through.
Way to make your lawyers and bank account work overtime.
Spot the person who has a fundamental misundertanding of property rights.
Get fucked, my guy. I was polite, but youre returning fightin words.
Google the term “reasonable person” and quickly learn that any such agreement has no legal standing. It’s an agreement. It is not contractual. It is not enforcable.
Not the person you’re responding to… but consider your proposal that an unreasonable person Google the definition of a reasonable person. I imagine they won’t come to the correct conclusion.
Well played homie 🥂
Sounds like they are giving FAR MORE than 24 hours notice to me.
On that technicality though couldnt anyone just put that notice in the initial contract on any place and then come in anytime? I feel like that wouldnt fly
I have to point out that they have, indeed, given more than 24 hours notice with the letter they posted. DEF CON hasn’t started yet and they informed the con organizers to inform the attendees with the rooms.
So this is reasonable.
Is it right? Probably not; and they’re probably going to upset a lot of folks. Let’s hope they use discretion and only inspect rooms where they believe something unusual is going on.
How can an inspection be non-intrusive if it consists of physically entering a guest’s room?
“Because we said it was!” - Hotel Management
brief visual and non-intrusive room inspections daily […] Rooms with a privacy sign will be included as part of the inspection process
The contradictions in this phrasing are giving me a headache.
Also: this is DEF CON. The first mistake was telling them you were coming.
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People in here speculating about them looking for “hacker shit” and I’m assuming it’s sex trafficking shit.
It’s probably guns. That guy who shot all those people at the music festival in Vegas snuck a small arsenal into his room and they didn’t notice until the shooting.
If that were the case, why not do this for every conference? Same question for sex trafficking. Are hackers more violent or sexually exploitative than every other subculture?
Sure, if you’re a Boomer
Maybe they do it but the letters didn’t get released
Its DefCon I feel like they are going to find a lot of guns anyways?
Not really. I mean there’s the shoot before the event, but other than all the feds the most dangerous thing there is a hot 21 yo girl in a bikini.
IIRC Deviant Ollam (i think thats how its spelled) travels with a decent amount of firearms although he has them pretty well secured.
Leave high powered rifle in car trunk.
Wait for appointed search to finish.
Take high powered rifle back to hotel room?
They appear to be starting this before the event, so something has them spooked (could just be the con full of spooks). Also with the volume of technical know-how that is going to be in attendance I think
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There is no way someone wont spot funny bususiness if a group or indivudal is trying to pull something.
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If a visual inspection is all their doing (unlikely) then this amounts to nothing more that security theatre. If they are being more invasive the attendees will know (its DEF CON for fuck sake).
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This may just prompt the attendees to book at another resort next year and hurt the hotel in the long run, seeing as this is very close to the opening of the con I dont see many groups changing their booking in time.
If I learned this after I had booked, I would be expecting a refund as well as compensation for missing the conference if I couldn’t find alternative accommodation.
If they are being more invasive the attendees will know
With this announcement, I fully expect every DefCon room to be running their own security cameras.
Now that you mention it, I expect video of room searches on the ctf reel next year.
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Well, I found the CTF targets.
Hotel clerk: Sir, is that dangerous equipment you’re setting up?
Hacker: It’s just a WiFi coconut, a rubber duck, a flipper zero, and a few IMSI catchers.
Clerk: Okay then. So, carry on I guess?
“Sir, you dropped your honeypot!”
Most likely scenario they had former guests inebriated at some point and don’t want to get sued.
More funny scenario is that the feds are desperate to make cases on people lol
They are gonna find sooooo many Bad Dragon dildos.
Take it from me, Do NOT google this…
Or do. I won’t judge.
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Too late. Had to wash my eyes with bleach after seeing all that. O.O
Yeah, OK, time to hack their schedule.
Look on your list, you’ve already been in here today.
This is just a tutorial level.
They did know announcing this ahead of time is just begging to have their system hacked and taken down, right?
It’s one of the classic blunders. Right up there with starting a land war in Asia.
what system
I would be very surprised if they didn’t have a hotel intranet for various administrative functions, especially with an attached convention center, and probably one with an external pipe to some central server that the corporation uses.
I expect it and will be disappointed if it doesn’t happen.
“scheduled” - We’re telling you when we’re coming, hide yo’ shit!
OTOH - WTF do they think they’re looking for? I don’t expect hotel staff to know a nefarious device from a multi-port USB hub.
“Hey, that laptop’s not running Windows…[calls in SWAT team]”
I think they started doing room checks in Vegas after that one guy sniped the music festival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
They put the fake ATMs in the lobby and the “free wifi” on balloons in the vendor hall anyway.
Also, if you vend or buy anything there, stick to cash.
Heh, I remember that. I still have my defcon 17 Human badge somewhere.
