I can’t even understand what this is supposed to say.
Quoth the tankies, but Dems same tho
They’re using old English characters that used to mean “th”
People seem to also be ignoring that this entire conflict is a direct consequence of Trump assassinating Soleimani.
Yep there’s nothing that poor weak Biden or the ineffective dems could’ve done about it
On one hand, I agree with you
On the other hand, Jesus Christ didn’t the Middle English fad die out in like, 2013 Reddit?
And you should be glad it did. Germans didnt get so lucky.
r/ich_iel and [email protected] STILL think it’s funny not to use english words and instead translate them literally so it sounds like complete nonsense. (“Zangendeutsch”) This joke got old like 10 years ago but if you use even a single english word you will still be greeted with “Sprich Deutsch du Hurensohn” which means speak German you son of a bitch.
I just want good memes in my own language, but that community is insufferable.
/rant, sorry
To be fair, although Zangendeutsch is commonly used for shits and giggles the reaction to English words hasn’t been this way since some time after Reddit.
It evolved into an ironic [email protected] style complete-the-sentence thingy where everything goes.
Wait wait wait, that community is… real Germans, but they speak broken German as a joke? Holy shit I thought this kind of dumb was reserved to English…
every language has its own group of scoundrels
Yeah they translate every English word literally as a meme. Like Facebook becomes Gesichtbuch. Personally, I find it hilarious.
Foliant der Antlitze
This is precious 😍
Und es ist auch immernoch fickend lustig du Hurensohn!
The guy is literally too stupid to stop hitting himself in the nuts. And then he blames the “deep state” for making him hit himself in the nuts.
It doesn’t fucking matter how hard he hits himself in the nuts: he’s still going to get 48% of the vote. If you care about shit like this, you’re already not voting for him.
The guy is getting the entire Israeli misinformation and counter intelligence machine working for him non-stop. That’s a pretty big deal.
While you may think he’s hitting himself in the nuts, polling says otherwise. I know, it’s infuriating.
Don’t you guys remember four/six years ago? This was a…depressingly effective tactic to evading responsibility. Because he just…openly admits to shit that other politicians know is poison. But nothing sticks because there are a million other things he does the same thing with. And it’s news for a day or two and then…nothing happens.
Downvoted for the title. Not sure what kind of mouth breather trend that is, but it’s not lasting
Is a fucked up sense of outrage supposed to make you look internet cool? Hey check me out, I’m acting more concerned about something stupid the OP did than I am about the alarming content they just shared, isn’t my personality so edgy?
And announcing your downvote, you’re like the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde over there.
It’s not a trend. The way you and drag are speaking is the trend. Phlubbadubba is speaking Old English. You’re right, though, it didn’t last.
The way Drag speaks is the trend, we are all just following
The conversation I had with drag before about drag’s reasons for speaking this way shifted my perspective enough that Phlubbadubba’s use of Old English doesn’t bother me the way it probably would have before. I understood drag, but seeing how negatively people are responding to a tiny bit of Old English makes me appreciate drag. Keep it up.
I remember a person on Reddit using this.
þ- th sounding /θ/ (think)
ð- th sounding /ð/ (the)As to why… I hope OP tells us.
I’ve seen them explain it elsewhere. As i recall, they liked the reaction it got, and do it for that.
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They’re still missing the “e” from “ðe”. That’s what bothers me.
I think It was common in middle English to omit the ‘e’, leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning. I see this in alot of shorthand and other alphabets like Shavian.
leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning
So the same way we differentiate between the two sounds “th” can make?
Kinda, yeah. The difference is that it’s not a per-word basis where you have to memorize dozens of cases. Much less cumbersome on learners. There’s nothing wrong with just writing ‘ðe’ either, if the writer prefers.
Because I feel like it
I support.
Æsþetically it looks dense & unique like ð rare, sunderly dental fricative sounds English makes. “ð” isn’t historic since Old English really didn’t boðer ƿiþ separating voiced vs. unvoiced dental, but ðat’s okay since our broðers up norþ in Iceland use ðese 2 characters in ð manner you prescribe. I like ð mirroring a as ð single-character definite vs. indefinite article too. As someone around ESL (English as a second language) speakers, it can help ðem not only knoƿ hƿich sound to make hƿile preventing silly slip-ups like former US president Donald Trump saying Þighland instead of Thailand—but it ƿould be obvious if our ƿritten form ƿasn’t forced to drop þorn for overloading “y” or “th” for ð printing press’ limitations not built for our tongue.
Before computers or printing presses, ƿe didn’t have spellcheck—so folks spelled ƿords as ðey sound. Having less digraphs favoring more single characters is considered more ergonomic; Dvorak, ð keyboard layout, has “ht” on the home roƿ of ð dominant hand to shoƿ just hoƿ dominant ðis digraph truly is for typing English.
Why do you persist in writing “ð” rather than “ðe” for “the”? And… Do you really say æsþetic and not æstetic? Where are you from to do that?
FWIW, do not support, even as a brother up north. English spelling is broken but there are more glaring problems to fix first.
Why should the indefinite article, “a”, a single character but the definite article, “the”, takes 3 chars? You know those that created our more modern English decided to respell could with -ould just for symmetry with would & should (Old English was cūþe, with our boy thorn for a dental fricative ending)—so it isn’t like words never changed to look nicer. Middle English often wrote the “the” as þͤ. /ðə/ is the normal transcription. “ð” without specially markers seems fine: single char for a very common word while indicating that it is a voiced sound (meaning not the unvoiced þ).
Aesthetic comes from Greek αἰσθητικός. θ is an unvoiced dental fricative (also the symbol in IPA) just like our boy þ (descended from the Futhark ᚦ). All transcriptions of English dialects I found show it with the “th” in pronunciation… so if you aren’t using a unvoiced dental fricative, you would be the weird one. 🙃
I would agree that fixing the vowels should be a higher priority. But English does not fit a five-vowel system like most Latin languages whose letters were shoehorned onto English. The only way to fix it (ignoring the dialectal splits) would be to either invent an entirely new writing system or going back to the system prior to Latin script adoption since the old system more properly encoded English sounds with few diagraphs & many more vowels to work with. In the latter case you would go for the Anglo-Saxon runes brought to the British Isles by the Angles, Saxons, & Jutes. With modernization, I would support this too tho 😅
Right, so you’re just arbitrarily changing words. That’s very nice.
In recent years tho & thru have been increasingly more common than though & through. Common words tend to do this—the is a top-10 usage word in English. Makes sense.
Look on how you go from Latin ET/et to &. Turns a common word into a single symbol. Or similar a (and an) coming from Old English ān with cognates in Old Frisian, German, Norse, Saxon, and Gothic with forms like “ein” further being reduced.
If there is a historical precendence for this happening, there is no reason to assume the language’s writing would not, could not, or should not evolve similarly.
ᚻᛠᛏᚢᚱᛋ᛫ᚷᛟᚾᚾᚫ᛫ᚻᛠᛏ
Ðey do be like ðat sometimes
Translation: häturs᛫gonna᛫hät
I know what this says because of ultima underworld
This was a little easier than reading finnegans Wake but not much. Definitely more humorous though. Thank you.
De nada
Look, english spelling is already a mess for me to parse (non-native speaker). If y’all start using this other alphabet, I’m just not gonna bother reading.
“Oh no! Anyway” kind of comment, but I must protest somehow.
Ban ñ from Spanish! My language does not have this character!
Non-native speakers tend to mess up dental fricatives in speech as is. This usage is a good reminder as a character for a sound your language doesn’t have… a lot of languages “th” is pronounced as English “t” which implies aspiration like in Thomas. It is just like learning any other non-Romantic language & is literally in Icelandic—not some made-up character.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty shitty way to behave on a website with a large number of non-native English speakers.
I think the real shitty part is the English itself, not letter changes.
We could do the nice thing and make an easier language the standard? Spanish maybe? Could also do German. /s
I vote for a Klingon/Dothraki hybrid for the global language.
Do you think it’s shitty for black people in America to use African American English dialect on public forums where non-native speakers could see it? Same deal, just different levels of familiarity. Nothing is forcing anyone to engage with this post, but a lot of people seem to feel a strong enough desire to enforce social conformity that they go out of their way to complain about someone doing something different.
No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.
The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.
Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.
I have no problem reading text that uses these characters, but hƿich and hƿile really bother me.
They are weirder ones for sure since they look like Ps without extra training. But just slapping two Vs or Us together like the Romans is a hack compared to the historic ƿ (from Runic ᚹ).
But even stranger is why on Earth were “hw” flipped by printing press folks after hundreds of years with the h first due to pronunciation… I wouldn’t be surprised if the voiceless labial–velar fricative went out of fashion based the new spelling to where many (maybe most) speakers don’t differentiate between “w” & “wh”.
I was talking about the beginning “h”, not the ƿ. Because there are people who pronounce it like that.
I know—but they used to spell the h first too. Almost everyone used to pronounce it ʍ as well, hence my theory that the pronunciation stopped after the wild choice to do a spelling reform
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_labial–velar_fricative
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin-script_digraphs#W
Bro thinks they’re a homestuck character
Legit only know homestuck is even a þing þrough Undertale and Megalovania
80% of your comment history is bent on those letters. Is that all you want to be known for?
None of us will be “known” for anything on this website. It will all fade. Let them try to be quirky to rage against oblivion, it hardly impacts your life.
In fact, I’m thankful for the stupid trend because I had no idea how to read some of those names in Fire Emblem: Heroes.
Eh, fair.
But English is hard enough without that kind of dickery.
Are ðose letters really so offensive to you ðat ðey warrant being what you define someone else by?
It’s more that it makes your posts hard to read for no reason other than a painfully transparent and desperate cry to be “unique” and “quirky.” That said, you do you, man.
Lovely, that you paint me as “offended by these letters.”
You don’t know me.
Go back to your fucking ð.
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Same energy tbh
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Yes exactly
And it hurts just as many people.
None.
Hurts me, at least
You don’t get it, I find it annoying so you should cater to me. STOP HAVING FUN BECAUSE I FEEL EXCLUDED!!!1!1!1
/s
Is Biden too stupid to realize that helping Bibi helps trump? Or does he just not care because supporting genocide is more important to him than the election?
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I think the most reasonable assumption would be that the Democrats reckon that coming out against Israel will lose them more zionist votes then sticking with Israel will lose them anti-genocide votes. And given the amount of money AIPAC has been throwing around against anti-zionist candidates in primaries, that might not be an incorrect reckoning.
its about money not votes. Usually whoever gets the most money wins.
Given the decline in traditional media, is this still true?
interesting question. Maybe I am unknowingly spouting propoganda. Looked it up. Its true over 80% of the time, but I thought that number would be higher. Theres a chart midway down the page if you want a TLDR
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/money-and-elections-a-complicated-love-story/
I can see money having greater influence at lower levels of government. I’m thinking more about advertising and the presidential race.
ads probably matter least in the races where campaigns spend the most on them
This was my feeling. I bet the returns on traditional advertising are diminishing. Also Trump seems to generate a huge amount of publicity (good and bad) without spending much money.
Money mostly wins, but not always. Democrats desperately want it to be true always, but they’ve spent a ton of money on losing elections. Trump’s victory was the big one. It’s hard to have a popular campaign message and solid ground game campaigning and make tons of appearances, spending absurd amounts of money makes it easier.
Which means they’ve made the calculation that they don’t need or want the anti-genocide vote.
So don’t blame this anti-genocide voter for not voting for a candidate that doesn’t want me.
They’ve probably also figured out how many people saying that will actually fold with a little arm twisting. Would be super interesting to see those numbers.
And in doing so, you are hanging out to dry LGBTQ+, women, racial minorities, anyone working for minimum wage, anyone with health insurance, thousands of federal employees, the people of Ukraine, and when it really comes down to it, the people of Gaza.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. Not in any meaningful way. It’s not a real choice at all, to be honest, but the direction is clear.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table.
If you find yourself writing this, then stop what you’re doing and re-evaluate your entire ideology.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. That’s not ideology, it’s reality.
There is an anti-genocide option on the table, but neither democrats nor republicans are willing to use it. You should stop defending people who support genocide by pretending genocide is the only option.
It’s not anything I can vote for, and not voting doesn’t get us there, either. There is no real choice.
If you hate imperialism hard enough, a viable third party candidate will emerge. You just have to try harder. /s
Imagine if all those people stood together against genocide instead of dividing over it. Women alone are like half the population… Why are they siding with genocide? They could elect anyone they want. Anyone with health insurance? That’s almost everyone. Bam, anyone they want. If a gay person votes for genocide how much should I really give a shit about them? There’s no “meaningful choice” because the libs get out early saying so… But if it’s not this election then certainly by the next one, millennials and zoomers are gonna be done with the old boomer parties… And good riddance
I can imagine. Let’s say all these groups unanimously decided not to vote for democrats. Then they ask who they do vote for.
Feminists vote for the best feminist candidate they can find. BLM votes for the best civil rights candidate they can find. LGBTQ people vote for the queerist person they can find. None of them support genocide, but none of them are voting for the same person.
Now Trump wins with the vote split 40/20/20/20. Great job, we overwhelmingly voted against genocide and it only got worse.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. It is not a real choice.
Ugh… We need ranked choice so bad
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That’s correct. The solution isn’t to let Republicans win. It’s to protest until we get what we want. That got gay marriage instituted. It got the Civil Rights Acts signed. It’s getting states to sign the Electoral College Popular Vote Compact. It’s getting marijuana legalization passed. It’s even getting ranked choice voting signed.
Letting Republicans win is just accelerationism, and it doesn’t work.
No guys, you don’t understand. Mr scruffy has it all figured out and we’re all dummies who want genocide.
Thankfully Mr scruffy is working hard to get trump elected so all the lovely Muslims, whom Trump frequently compliments, are going to get sweet kisses every night and he’ll make sure those mean old Israelis don’t bother them.
They only need to do that math in the swing states as well… But I wish someone would just show the math. Like, let’s see the projections for Zionist gains vs anti genocide losses in Pennsylvania… Even just one study and I’d be like, okay, there’s a legit reason for the gaslighting and bullshit. Gotta win to do anything.
If you’re going to use eth I just wish you’d use a vowel for ‘the’. No other consonants imply vowels in english.
Borrowed from Shavian, where ð equivalent letter, as well as four oðer consonants, actually do imply ð full word.
Used for words wið specific grammar purposes, n for and, f for for, v for of, and t for to.
What makes you choose þ or ð? In Icelandic it’s the difference between voiced and voiceless.
That seems to be what they’re doing here too. It reads almost normal to me except for not writing out “ðe” fully which is pointlessly jarring.
What ever makes them feel better than everyone else at the current moment. Nothing else matters.
Interesting. Shaw specified that shavian alphabet should be a complete replacement to avoid the jarring appearance of misspelling though right? Porting those conventions into standard english orthography seems to violate that.
Meh, why waste a perfectly usable convention when you’re not gonna use ð alphabet it was originally used in?
It’s because language changes gradually over time. Most people who aren’t English Majors or have a Linguistics degree don’t even know what a Thorn is, and I don’t even blame them. (Also the fact that no Middle English characters are on my keyboard, closest I have to a dead symbol is ‽)
I actually use þe interrobang quite frequently!
Same, personally I find it quite hilarious ðat people bitch at me about how “th” is mandatory because linguistic development and ðen in ð same breaþ condemn ‽ as quirky bait.
I þink it’s important we have some fun wiþ language. Using historic letters is fun! So is þe interrobang! Who cares about þe people bitching‽ Language development doesn’t need to be homogenous
Fair enough!
The daily edge hahaha I’m mature
Hey, I know you, you’re ðat guy
Ye
Don’t worry, I’m sure in a few years he’ll be indicted, and then a few years after that there will be a trial, and then a few years after that he might be forced to grift his followers to pay a fine.
Shit, he probably won’t last long before senility or old age gets him. Then we have old president JD to look forward to
Senility and old age have already “gotten” him. He’s basically an animated carcass.
Technically I don’t even þink ðis would get a trial, since Israel, unlike Iran and ð Vietkong, are not enemies of ð US at ð time of ð act in question.
Meaning what would normally qualify for an open and shut case for treason doesn’t apply since ð aiding and abetting isn’t happening to a technically hostile power.
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Because (based on their post history) a few weeks back they had a crisis of identity and needed to do something - anything - to feel seen.
Sadly, they chose an annoying as fuck thing to harp on about in pursuit of being a special butterfly. Normally I’d just block and move on, but I want to observe this particular slow-motion tragedy as it unfolds.
Because they’re awesome
Is there a real citation for this? Something that’s not on Twitter? “The Daily Edge” doesn’t even have a website of their own.
I’m going to assume these daily conversations are still unproven, unless someone shows me a better citation.
it looks like he Said he spoke with him 2 days ago, and a couple times. besides that, the “daily” conversations are extrapolated from him having talked to mentioning out how a few times just this week and him saying that “regularly” talk, as far as I can tell, or it’s just referring to their near daily talks this week.
and the video does have him saying bibi calls him and talks to him a lot and maybe biden’s going to drop a bomb on Israel so they don’t talk to Biden.
Does the ceasefire involve taking over Gaza and turning it into Israeli settlements? Where would the people be moved this time? It was the last part of Palestine that did not get governed by Israel. Biden caused so much destruction to the Palestinian cause.
So true liberal bestie, democrats are better because they silently sends billions to israel to carry out genocide while trump can’t keep his stupid mouth shut.
I see the FSB has migrated from “ml” instances.
Do try not to shit where we all eat.
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The tankies realized we all had .ml instance blocked so they started moving to .world
Like, there’s lemmygrad. Why do they bother going to instances they know don’t tolerate their views?
Why did liberal “high IQ” redditors jump from reddit to lemmy? It seems they brought along all their users from Eglin Air Force Base.
I’m not from .ml, as you can see my account is over a year old, so it certainly wasn’t to evade some clowns blocking specific instances to create their own hivemind. Which of my views is it that you don’t tolerate? The one where I’m against anyone supporting genocide? I’m curious to know what you find intolerable about that.
- There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
- A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
- Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
- Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
- Regardless of whether you do anything else to fight fascism or not, if you don’t vote, or you vote third party, you raise the chances that a Hitler admirer will enter the white house.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
Liberals are indeed famous for not forcing their views on others.
oh my god here we go
“some people think kamala is better than trump, and they want us to vote for kamala because trump is worse and stands a genuine chance at winning. liberals are forcing their opinion on us therefore it’s our duty to continue to scream BOTH SIDES BAD at them and circumvent their attempts to block us”? is that what you’re saying?
Tl;Dr: Reeee
Man, must suck having to work for Putin as a troll. Some people would feel shameful
Will Dems hold Bibi accountable?
Oh they won’t?
Worse than same.
So your reaction to learning that Trump is actively sabotaging peace talks with Israel is… Blame the Democrats?
Seriously smooth brain conservative take, holy shit.
Reported.
worse than the same? this must be a mental lapse or just bad faith. I mean I would totally understand “not enough” but “worse than same”? Are you living in a parallel universe? The moment Trump is elected you will start seeing people rallying for more support to Israel and probably sending American troops over there.
"Mayor Quimby even released Sideshow Bob from prison!
Vote Sideshow Bob."
I’m not supporting Trump, I’m wondering why Israel is so central to democratic policy when they have literally done everything in their power to elect Trump?
I can’t imagine anything besides corruption or kompromat at this point. Literally nothing else makes sense.
I’m not supporting Trump, I’m wondering
Just Asking Questions, is all
It is old geopolitics.
Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, etc. benefit greatly from doing things the way the US likes. They make massive amounts of money, get a massive military to keep enemies at bay, they get to keep deciding how much crude oil costs, and they get massive amounts of weapons. In return they all spy for the US, allow the US to put massive military facilities in their countries, and protect the petrodollar.
It is that simple. The Palestinians have very little wealth, military, and political clout. So they get run over by the machine. Is it horrific? Yes. Is it easy to understand? Also, yes.
I’m not supporting Trump
That comment you made above is supporting Trump. You saying you’re not supporting him makes no difference.
Criticizing Dems cowardly weakness isn’t supporting the thing they’re afraid of.
And criticizing spoiler third party shills isn’t supporting genocide.
They aren’t a spoiler where I’m standing. Undecided voters aren’t here. You have a lot of nerve to call anyone a shill with that rhetoric.
They aren’t a spoiler where I’m standing
Cognitive dissonance will do that to someone that chooses to forego critical thinking.
You have a lot of nerve to call anyone a shill
Thanks friend!
Calling them
Worse than same.
Is.
You’ve literally said they’re worse than Trump.
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it’s an ethos.
Cool. Completely irrelevant to what I said.
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