Summary
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.
His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.
Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.
Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
What part of “mass deportations” do people not understand? Trump told us what he’s going to do. His cabinet pick told us what he’s going to do. They’re going to do it.
Yeah, but all they heard were campaign ads. And what little news they did hear either is actually propaganda that came from Fox News or their local news that’s actually part of Sinclair.
That combined with the shenanigans of social media the last few years, yep, low information voters only wind up hearing the lies they were meant to hear.
“The system is running as intended! Huzzah!”
Lol keep dreaming. First they come for one.
Ummmmm Conservatives already see them as criminals because they are here “illegal”. By default all undocumented migrants are criminals.
Trump also said he’d aggressively deport and sort through the mistakes later. He’s going to deport legal immigrants too, and I very much doubt they’ll let them back in without an extensive legal battle. Which will never move forward because he’ll intentionally starve the court system (like congress already did at his order) so that realistically, they will never get through the system.
Great fucking job giving Nazis free reign, you stupid, stupid, evil fuckers. You had a choice to fight nazis when it was easy. Just a vote. But you chose nazis, one way or another.
Ohhhhh I agree with you for the most part. But the last part?! Who exactly are you referring to as you? If you are chastising Democratic leadership 100% Anyone else other than literally Nazie’s (aka Trump, JD, the majority of RNC members and leaders, and some of their voters), shouldn’t be blamed.
Obviously, this statement was not targeting you specifically. “You” is targeted towards Trump voters and non-voters.
We knew what was on the ballot. I don’t care that the DNC could have done better. When the choice is “meh” vs literal Nazis, you’re a damn nazi if you didn’t vote directly against them.
I’m fucking done mincing words after voters gave them the House, Senate, POTUS, and all the god damn courts.
First off, before I continue. I voted blue.
But it’s naive to not see voting as transactional. Even more so when major issues face America and humanity, has tested and proven solutions.
For example, Healthcare. The solution to America’s Healthcare crisis is Universal health care. With the middle ground between Universal and fully private is the public option. Neither party would even entertain the notion of a public opinion. The Democratic party could have secured millions of votes if they added public option or universal to their platform. They knew this. All the polling said those were overwhelming popular positions to have. It’s poor leadership and poor advising that kept Harris from having that.
Several polls and Arab, Palestinian, and liberal organizations told the party, that not having a concrete plan to save Palestinian lives would cost Harris millions of votes. It’s poor leadership and advising to not have Palestinian sovereignty and return to post ww2 boarders as part of the campaign. It’s not like Christian evangelicals and zionest were going to vote blue anyways? So why not appeal to your base and a large voting demographic?
I can go on with several other progressive topics. (education, military spending, justice reform, foreign policy, wealth redistribution, climate, money on politics, ect.) So many progressive solutions to very real problems were never addressed or openly opposed by Democrats. The only downside to taking up those causes would have been money from top donors.
Voting is inherently transactional and will always be that way. For “my” vote your platform must have zxy and you must try to get as close to xyz as possible. If you don’t have xyz why should I vote for you? You don’t care about my issues and values, why should I care about yours. It’s the world we live in. Either the democrats take up a full progressive agenda or they’ll continue to lose in the most critical time in human history.
If you don’t have xyz why should I vote for you?
because in an effectively two party system where neither party has xyz you should definitely vote for the party that also aren’t nazi’s ?
The degree of closeness to your ideal of progressive policies doesn’t mean shit when the choice is nazi’s vs not nazi’s.
Unless you are arguing that those weren’t the choices available here ?
Yes everyone understands all that. But are you saying we people that vote blue should keep trying the same failing tactics?
If our strategies (manly from leadership and keyboard warriors) keeps failing against literal Nazies, shouldn’t we change tactics?!
What other options do we have!? Keep openly ignoring solutions that the majority of Americans want? Or go crying about the none voters that feel the is no party representing them?
You don’t like it but look around!
Seriously, what why do you think the none nazi party can get more votes? Times running out and we are losing! Either come up with another answer or keep saying things that obviously lost us an election to Nazies.
Support Universal health care or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support a 2 state solution in Palestine or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support redistribution of wealth or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support the removal of money in politics or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
Support justice system reform or get the Nazies again. What side are you on?
If you expect a different result with what we’ve been doing than we truly are doomed. What’s the definition of insanity again?
Yes everyone understands all that. But are you saying we people that vote blue should keep trying the same failing tactics?
No, but if your tactic changes haven’t been implemented by the time voting comes around and the choice remains “nazi’s vs not nazi’s” then you should be voting “not nazi’s”.
“The Dems continue to fuck up repeatedly, so i can understand why people chose nazi this time” isn’t a tenable argument.
I’m not disagreeing with your disappointment in, well, everything.
I’m disagreeing with this part of your previous reply
Anyone else other than literally Nazie’s (aka Trump, JD, the majority of RNC members and leaders, and some of their voters), shouldn’t be blamed.
If a person understands that the choice is nazi vs not nazi and then actively chooses to not vote, they are tacitly choosing nazi.
“If i vote for the not-nazi’s, they won’t understand how disappointed in them i am” is not a good argument.
“Their policies don’t align with what i want” is not a good argument
“They don’t represent my values” is not a good argument
There is no good beginning half to the sentence “< INSERT REASON HERE >, so i tacitly enabled the nazi’s”
Except maybe, “I genuinely believe the alternative is worse, so i tacitly enabled the nazi’s”.
Even then i’d probably disagree, but it would be a substantive argument.
Good luck with that. If you voted for him you’re an even more gullible dipshit than seems possible.
It is absolutely disgusting how many people are letting their disappointment and fear turn into vindictiveness and anger.
They’re undocumented immigrants. By definition they didn’t vote for him, and you should really do some introspection to figure out why this is the first thought you had.
If someone voted or prefers for bad stuff to affect the whole country, then I see nothing wrong with preferring them to be the one to personally experience it.
If 51/100 people voted to throw a random citizen into a volcano to make God happy, I would hope that the person that gets thrown in is one of those 51 people, and not one of the other 49.
If someone can’t vote because but still holds harmful views, it doesn’t make them any less deserving of finding out they are wrong. If you wish harm on others, I’m not going to coddle you when you’re sad you personally got harmed.
What part of “undocumented immigrants can’t vote” did you miss there?
You’ve constructed this image of undocumented immigrants who support Trump, which is plainly stupid. In any group, maybe some people are idiots. But you’re trying to pretend that that’s ALL undocumented immigrants, masking your bloodthirst behind a few “If” statements.
Volunteer for a local charity that helps immigrants. If you see a bunch of MAGA caps then you might have something to say. I don’t expect that to happen.
Read my last paragraph? I know they can’t vote. A lot of them still support Trump and his policies, and if they do, they can find out the hard way what those policies really mean.
To be clear, I absolutely do not support Trump’s deportation policy. I simply don’t feel bad for those that would wish deportation on others, if/when it ends up happening to them. If you support Trump and you get deported by his policies, you don’t get my sympathies. I’m tired of playing nice with people that spew hate and only care about their own personal problems over the problems of their own community and country.
Harris lost a lot of ground with latinos in this election:
Trump beat Harris in nearly every major battleground state and improved among several key demographics, namely Latino voters. According to CNN’s exit polls from 2020 and 2024, Trump gained 14 points among Latinos, with Harris winning the bloc by just 6 points this week. In 2020, President Joe Biden won the Latino vote by 33 points.
The hispanic community moved very far to the right. Yes, the ones that actually voted are not undocumented migrants, but people in their family are, and many of them do share in support of Trump
When he spoke to Flores in March, Velazquez said President Joe Biden had treated immigrants as if they were ignorant, and that the country was worse off because of his economic policies.
If Mr. Velazquez gets deported by Trump, I will have no sympathy for him. He even in that article says he won’t have sympathy for himself, he’ll leave the country if Trump comes for him. He literally knows he voted against his own interests and says it in the article. Why should I feel bad for that person? I’ll save my sympathy for the ones who don’t want to kick their own neighbors out.
“It’s not human,” he said of mass deportations, but added that he has a plan if the policy affects him. “I respect the decision. I leave the country.”
Here’s one more from Fox News talking about immigrant families on both sides of the issue.
“So you support Donald Trump because of the economy?” the CNN reporter asked the undocumented immigrant, to which he responded, “For the economy, yes. I don‘t support the anti-immigrant action,” he said, as the reporter asked about Trump’s plan for mass deportations.
One day, maybe white people will be held responsible for other white people the way you hold minorites responsible for their families. Maybe then you’ll understand how dumb it is to cherry pick the few worst of you, and pretend that they’re representative of the bunch. It is amazing how many white liberals are excited to see innocent people punished because someone who looks kinda like them voted for Trump.
I’m talking about people that support Trump. You don’t seem to understand that. My point is I have no sympathy for Trump supporters whether they’re migrants, whether they voted or not. I feel bad for the migrants that don’t support Trump. I really hope you can comprehend that.
If I was an undocumented migrant and a family member of mine voted for Trump, or vocally supported him, I’d be pissed, and I’d say “if they deport me, I hope they deport you too.”
Are you saying that would be wrong of them?
And I’m not allowed to feel the same way, just because (you’re assuming) I’m white?
I dislike and wish real life consequences upon any Trump supporter. Not their family.
Centrists would rather blame people who cannot even vote than admit that moving to the right has failed.
You do know he’s going to change it do nationalized citizens are not citizens anymore right? If being born here doesn’t count as being a citizen, and this is retroactive, what does count?
Maybe you should get off the MAGA train and look around.
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You’re not advocating compassion, you’re telling us to calm down, and be like you–apathetic.
Naturalized immigrants, who do vote, often have family members and/or friends that are now on the chopping block. A lot of them voted for Trump thinking they were getting rid of the “bad” immigrants.
Fascists also tend to take a “kill them all, let God sort them out” approach to things like this.
Here legally but the wrong shade of brown? Maybe your English is too accented? “Don’t worry the arrest is just preventative, once they prove they’re here legally (from the camp, with no resources, assistance, or access to their documentation) they’ll be returned to their community.”
Except they won’t. Oopsie, gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.
Some people talk like we didn’t see this shit play out 90 years ago.
Okay.
So you are suggesting that an appropriate response to a humanitarian crisis is “good luck with that” because…some of their relatives voted Republican?
Do you feel responsible for all of your relatives, or is it just immigrants?
You’re putting words in my mouth. I was responding directly to your point about how undocumented immigrants can’t vote and nothing else. I feel very bad for the people that are going to be affected directly. Honestly, everyone is going to be affected in some way.
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They made “migrating” a crime, so, yeah, leopards…face…
Undocumented people aren’t voting so…
Yeah, they also don’t know or influence any voters. Not at all.
They will grab anyone they can get their hands on. Criminals will have the advantage that they know how to hide, and there are way more non-criminals, so Jose Average will be picked first, being the easiest target to fulfill the quota.
Also while some peoples definition of criminal is “murderer” or similar some peoples definition is closer to "you did or a relative did something not 100% legal in the last generation or two.
edit: some peoples definition of criminal will definitely include unhoused or non-land owning eventually
It already includes being homeless. The anti camping bans are straight up making it illegal to camp without a house to go back to.
I know y’all want to make this a stupid voters leopards ate my balls post but these are undocumented people. They can not vote and had no say in the election.
Remember the old maxim: “no one hates new immigrants more than old immigrants”… Their fellow legalized immigrants supported this outcome as well
100%. My wife’s family ALL came illegally. I think it’s like 7-10 people, the last one got naturalized like 4 years ago. All but a couple voted for trump and their stance on it is “oh well we got lucky that’s just how it is. They need to come legally”
I had no words after that.
I’m sorry, my “give a fuck” stopped working just after the election results came in.
Trump promised to deport illegals and even “denaturalize” certain citizens. He wants to deport 20 million illegal immagrants separate family and put the in camps while awaiting deportation. None of this was a secret, they fucking bragged about it.
Trump gained 14 points nationally with Hispanics. I hope he goes balls to the fucking wall and drops the hammer. May the people get exactly what they voted for.
Meanwhile, I’m going to do the best to make sure me and mine are taken care of. Stock up on toilet paper, N95 masks, freeze dried food and bullets. It’s gonna be lit!🔥
The only difference between you and a Republican is your rhetoric then.
Go fuck yourself. I cannot imagine gleefully watching people be put in camps and feeling fucking smug about it. I’m sure there were plenty of Germans like you.
No u
Always has been
The article left me confused.
How does one pay income tax and file taxes while undocumented? Wouldn’t you need a social security number, and hence be documented?
Could I create an imaginary person to file taxes for?
Anyone can go to a ss office and get a tax id for free. It acts as a ss#
I see.
Seems like an easy thing to fix no matter which direction you take.
LOL. Get fukt.
The trump admin couldn’t be bothered to keep the children and parents together while caging immigrants last time–why would anyone expect him to differentiate the legals from the illegals?
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I’m worried they’re going to start raiding schools and daycares as well in order to force parents to turn themselves in or just to be malicious. A lot of children are going to be separated from their parents.
That would be right in line with their normal behavior. Seeing how many children they kidnapped in the previous Trump administration.
Stephen “nazi” Miller wants to create an army from Trump loyal national guard members and go into “blue” states to enforce deportation.
I doubt they’ll check if you’re a criminal or not.
Or indeed if you’re an immigrant.
Do they not realize that he and his core audience believe the greatest crime a person can commit is not be born white?
Leopards like all kinds of faces.
