And it’s worked on my brother in law who’s announced he’s buying new PCs for the whole family specifically to upgrade to 11. jFC.
He should donate the old ones to Linux enthusiasts
I will encourage him to do just that. Looks like we’ll have some PCs coming our way.
Are you excited for him to finally get everything setup and then he sees the ad again?
Don’t know whether to be smug or condescending. Guess I’ll be both.
I recently installed Linux because windows pissed me off and I laughed out loud at this…
I bet they’re gonna have to do what car dealerships do… Yeah bring your old iPad for trade in!.. Okay I don’t see my trade in discount though…it’s right there! Look in the small font, it’s $5.56 we compared against Kelly’s cousin’s purple book of laptops.
That kinda did the trick for me since my old PC was starting to struggle with some tasks, so I went and built a new PC recently.
Joke’s on Microsoft though, I installed Arch Linux on it instead. It’s so much less work to maintain compared to Windows these days.
A relative of mine had also got fed up with the Windows BS and was interested in what I was running, so I got her machine dual booted with Debian now to try it out. She hasn’t looked back either, so that to me proves that Linux is ready for non-techies.
My GF is not technical and had an old, old laptop that barely ran, so I gave her an Ubuntu USB drive and helped her boot from it, but she did the install all on her own. She even fixed a printer driver issue by doing some research and installing an updated driver.
But that just goes to show that Linux isn’t exactly hard if you know how to read.
These stories always feel so bizarrely insulting. Now listen bros, my girlfriend is a total dunce but even she, a woman, managed to follow instructions and execute an install wizard, just like a competent man would. And that is why 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop. #feminism
🙄
The important part is that she is non-technical, not that she’s a woman.
I hate how microsoft seems to think they own the term PC now and it can mean anything they want. Some of the “Copilot+ PCs” they’re advertising on things like this have ARM CPUs which means they aren’t PCs. I would even argue that a lot of x86 computers aren’t PCs now because they only support UEFI booting so aren’t PC compatible. They need to just call them computers or come up with a new term
Doesn’t PC just mean personal computer though?
Yes, but ironically the PC was a reaction to the more authoritarian IBM server/terminal model. The PC was really about owning and being able to hack your own shit. It seems like cloud+device lockdown is just reinventing servers and terminals…
I mean, they’re not called International Personal Machines, are they? The server-terminal system worked well for a large organisation, and it’s not far away from how many companies still do things.
have ARM CPUs which means they aren’t PCs
Why on earth would architecture have anything to do with it?
only support UEFI booting so aren’t PC compatible.
Oh wow, I don’t think anyone using the term “PC” this century was referring to “IBM PC-Compatible” like it’s 1981. The only vestages of that is that the term excludes Mac even today.
They may not have realized it, but until UEFI-only computers started becoming common, people mostly were still effectively drawing the line at IBM compatibility
What’s the fundamental difference between an Intel Macbook and my old 2018 Lenovo laptop? Either of them can run modern Windows, Linux, whatever. For most modern uses, they’re basically equivalent. The one thing that makes the Lenovo different though is its firmware. The Lenovo has BIOS support and the Mac doesn’t.
If you then add my current Framework laptop, which is UEFI-only, to the comparison though, it gets kind of fuzzy. It’s clearly not a Mac, but what is there to really define it as a PC? It can’t run MacOS, but that doesn’t really work to separate it because plenty of PCs can run MacOS. It’s not made by Apple, but if that’s all it takes then is a Chromebook or one of the Talos POWER workstations a PC too? It’s kind of hard to say the Framework is a PC without including so many other things that the term PC kind of loses all meaning.
I think the term PC has just outlived its usefulness and we need to move on to saying more specific things than that to describe computers. In most modern contexts, all that matters is what architecture a computer is and what operating systems will run on it, and PC just isn’t really a great term to convey that information anymore.
PC = a computer that you use to do computer stuff on. Windows PC, Linux PC, MacBook or a Chromebook, it’s all PC.
I use cloud computing to run a lot of my computer stuff. Not a PC. I self-host some services on a home-server. Also not a PC. I can install a GUI on these if I want and RDP into them, still doesn’t make these PCs.
I can use my personal laptop as a server if I want (and I have!) with remote-access enabled; so it is both a PC and a not-PC?
I think we have to settle on PC being usecase-driven; not hardware-defined. Which is what I think you were trying to get at, but abstracting too far.
Yup, I go out of my way to call any personal computer a PC. For example:
- Macbook Pro PC running macOS for work
- Thinkpad PC running Linux at home
- desktop PC running Linux for gaming
- desktop PC running Linux as a NAS
- handheld PC running GrapheneOS for a phone
- handheld PC running SteamOS for gaming
- wearable PC running WearOS as a watch
They’re all PCs, because I can run whatever I want on them. My Switch isn’t a PC because I can’t run whatever I want, but everything else in that list absolutely is. Yeah, I get weird looks sometimes, but I’m stubborn.
People can’t afford groceries and Microsoft is over here saying this. So out of touch with reality.
They are going to finally cause the “year of the Linux desktop” revolution we’ve all been waiting for.
Unfortunately I think it will be sort of a monkey’s paw situation, where Linux gains a bunch of market share on the desktop because people will stop using their Windows desktops and just completely switch to using their phones and tablets if they haven’t already.
Ah, who am I kidding, they’ll still get all those sweet business/enterprise sales.
Micro$oft doesn’t understand that these full-screen new Win11 PCs are actually Linux ads!
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Hey I remember you from that other post where you also spammed LINUX. :p
Bro you literally spammed Linux on my other older posts. Stop it
You’ll figure it out.
Cool. Since you believe they’ll figure it out, I guess that means you don’t have to spam.
Holy crap it’s a full-page ad!
Btw.
I’m praising Valve right now for all the work they’ve put into Proton.
95% of my games work on Linux. Quite a few windows specific programs too. Praise proton and the wine team!
Examples of Windows programs that work via proton?
One very specific 3d printer program, greetings workshop (my mom had the program back in the day and she likes getting cards from it), Starcraft1 and Starcraft2 (works pretty well!), some contract specific programs. Theres a couple of others I have hooked up, but you get the idea.
If it doesn’t work the first time, I usually go on https://appdb.winehq.org/ or the proton specific one and take a look.
Okay yeah I knew about protondb but haven’t got wine figured out or heard of that winehq.
Thanks!
Yes, because of Proton, I’m seriously considering dumping Microsoft now. My big holdup was my library of Steam games. I just found out about Proton a couple of weeks ago, and as it turns out, most of my games are pretty compatible.
I made the switch and never looked back.
Only thing it cost me was recently Apex Legends but I can deal.
If most of your games are on Steam, it makes the transition super smooth (with only a few exceptions I’ve had so far, and none that I’ve been unable to get working with a bit of tinkering)
My game library was what was holding me back too. Now I just have to see if animationdesk runs on linux and I’ll be all set make the switch.
If it doesn’t I don’t know what I’ll do. I haven’t found any other animation programs built primarily around onion skinning. I don’t need AI to create the tweens for me. I just want a bare bones program that let’s me do everything by hand.
I’ll have to check when I get out of work today and if it’s all good I’ll probably start researching installation processes this weekend. I don’t know much about Linux, but I guess I’m about to learn
You could run a windows vm on linux :)
Do it! I just made the switch (using PopOS as my distro, AMD CPU, 1080ti GPU) and haven’t had much trouble with my extensive Steam collection. The biggest issue so far was Bioshock Infinite which actually runs native and I had to edit some configs for texture pools. SteamVR / Index has been a little unstable but seems to generally work (I don’t use it enough to be sure if it’s Linux or my hardware getting old).
SteamDB has been a excellent resource for checking compatibility and game specific tweaks.
Civ6 also has issues with the Linux version due to Aspyr slacking. A bunch of the newer content hasn’t been ported yet. Fortunately, you can force Steam to install the Windows version and run it with Proton.
This whole Win 11 mess is what finally convinced me to switch. I still can’t get over that Settings hasn’t reached feature parity with Control Panel yet. Figured if I have to re-learn how to do settings for the 10th time, I might as well do it in an OS that isn’t shoving ads in my face.
I was simply trying to format a disk and so searched in the start bar expecting a suitable control panel item to pop up any would have happened in any sane era of windows. Instead fucking bing opened and it brought me back web results for “format disk” as well as unrelated ads. fucking web results!
gargh
Try Fedora! I find it it just works out of the box and the little I don’t know I can Google, tho im Linux newby myself
I think for people who like Out-Of-The-Box, Fedora is ideal. It’s the only OS I didn’t have to troubleshoot the Bluetooth immediately.
I put it on my grandmothers computer and she hasn’t had any major complaints in 2 years 🤞
I have started switching my parents. Last year before all this really started getting crazy and I bought my mother a used HP elitebook laptop and set her up with Linux on it. Just to get her to test it out and use it. And replace her older laptops. There’s very little she does that actually depends on windows. Everything tends to be in the browser. There was only one odd application that’s odd even under windows. But it has an Android version that I got running with waydroid.
In the last month and I got my father a new used office PC that was about 10 Generations newer than what he had processor-wise. And set it up with Linux out of the box. He’s been enjoying using it it’s so much faster snappier and less spammy. And here this month when I have time. Getting my mother’s desktop PC converted over to dual boot at least with Linux as primary. I’ve had far fewer tech support issues since I’ve done it too.
Between system 76, framework, tuxedo, and a few other sellers. There are actually a few options now offering Linux out of the box. Next time I buy a PC it will likely be from one of them depending upon what I’m looking for. And if anyone asked me for recommendations they will be the only ones I will recommend. Apart from ordering used office machines and repurposing them LOL. Unless you want to do current gym Triple A games at 4K etc. You can get six generation i7 systems for around $100 and use graphic cards for 50 to 100. And play most games and have a great time. It’s actually kind of hilarious I have a couple of Verizon systems from the last 4 to 5 years. The system I spend more time on is a 6th generation i7 Lenovo business Tower. Largely because it’s running Linux and the others are running Windows.
I am concerned that most users won’t understand that either
They won’t. The vast majority of consumers aren’t even aware Linux exists.
Having moved fully to Linux some months ago, I look at this kind of thing both with with a feeling of smug satisfaction and with cold chills of somebody who only now starts to fully realise just how massive, heavy and fast the incoming train they just dodged is.
It’s really wild looking back at what we considered acceptable in the Win 7 era versus now.
Has anybody found a way to turn Microsoft’s ads off yet? I’m tired of dismissing their prompts to switch to Edge and Office 365 every few months.
Yes, but you won’t like to hear it…
I installed Linux one time and now im a cat girl
Go on….
Don’t listen to them, I installed Linux multiple times and I‘m still a fat nerd
…go on…
Who said a cat girl cant be a fat nerd
sigh
gets his Ventoy USB drive ready for a new ISO…
I run a local account and toggled off all the telemetry stuff during installation nine years ago. Never saw one of those. Didn’t even get toggled on with updates. Only problem I had was Copilot getting added a few weeks ago. By that time, Win10 had become the compatibility fallback for Linux, though.
So, create a local account, go into Settings, and toggle off everything that could maybe be telemetry related.
O&O Shutup for Windows is also a solid tool for disabling telemetry and bloat. They have a recommended set of options to flip, all of which can be flipped at once, which is real damn convenient.
As an experiment I revoked the certificate that is used for code verification on the executable responsible for the popups. So far the only thing I broke was the .net installer. But no more pop-ups. :D
Ah their planned obsolescence lead to botnets that fuck every largo company… so that Microsoft gets looked at.
But the American way is to blame hundreds of thousands… or even millions of individuals.
I’m just curious how much more shitty they can make it. I laugh every time they announce some new “feature”. Makes me appreciate Linux Mint more and more each time.
Those aren’t prompts. Those are ads. Call a spade a spade. “Microsoft tries to convince Windows 10 users to buy a new PC with full-screen ads”
I’m just a “normal person” lol but I have a 8 year old MacBook Air running I can’t remember what version. I’ve never been forced to upgrade. Does everything I need it to. I told Microsoft to fuck themselves in 1998. Now at work, I’ve been stuck with PC’s but that’s on the company’s dime, never mine.
If your Air hadn’t reached it yet, eventually it’ll reach EOS and you’ll stop receiving software/OS updates from Apple. While this won’t force you to upgrade hardware, it does add significant risk to your online time, since vulnerabilities will go unpatched. But, again, an important difference, which you shrewdly point out, you’re not forced or coerced to upgrade.
Edit: autocorrect
Fortunately, Firefox still supports old Macs. I have a running 2011 MacBook and 2008 iMac that are both still used for 3D printing and the other for an old local version of accounting software and email respectively.
They’ve been doing that with intel for ages, one build a slower OS the other a faster processor.
Many people speak about security risks because there will be no updates, but the solution is simple, you install Linux on a new partition and do all your networking from there, I use Windows for some programs and games and that’s it
So simple I can have my father-in-law do it. And support him over the phone from a few states away. Simple.
I can only hope that nothing ever happens to where I’d have to use Windows again. (been using only linux for over 10 years and the latest Windows I ever used was win 7 at work).
If that happened, the shock of all the last 10-15 years’ accumulation of enshittification hitting me at once might give me a stroke. The boiling frogs of today have gotten used to their OS serving them ads and spying on them by now, but I wouldn’t be able to deal with it.
I dual boot at work, which in practice means I have a Linux laptop with a Windows partition for occasional use.
It’s windows 10, not 11, and the machine has decent specs: 6c/12t, 32 GB ram, and an SSD. Windows feels legitimately clunky and slow to me when I use it, and I am not using some lightweight Linux distro meant to be blazing fast. I run Mint Cinnamon which is as mainstream and all-in-one as it gets. But it still feels like it was created to serve the user rather than third party business interests.
I have some desktop machines at home that run windows 10 as well, which I use pretty infrequently. One of my winter projects is going to be fixing that. The OS part anyway.
Exactly the same setup and experience here. Work forces me to use an inferior application in windows instead of a more powerful option in Linux and it boils my blood.
Any chance you could use that Windows app in a VM, or is Windows itself a mandate too?
Before we got the green light to dual boot, I spent 90% of my time using Linux in a VM while windows basically handled my M365 applications. These days I much prefer having Teams and Outlook being tabs in Firefox!
I don’t think so, this is rather complex video editing software and I never heard about anyone running it in a VM. Maybe I’ll give it a try someday.
