As an American, I’m rooting for Canada.
But this all feels very by design of Putin to fracture US alliances.
I’m not rooting for anyone. This all hurts everyone. Trump is f’ing over the US though.
I honestly think Putin is too busy throwing millions of young citizens into his meat grinder to give a shit about the USA at this point.
You would be surprised what people have time to think about while browsing their phone on the throne.
If you think Ukraine consumes 100% of his thoughts then you are not giving puttin enough credit. He isn’t infamous because he is dumb, he is infamous because he is cunning, underhanded, and brutal in what he does.
So say we all.
I’m so upset at my Canadian family members who supported Trump.
I got an uncle who was constantly saying he supports trump cause he’ll “run the country the country like a business” - i don’t think either trump or him actually understand business all that well.
I hope Canadian-European relations get stronger, and hopefully Canadian-American relations will be rebuilt once this fucker is gone
Does your uncle realize trump was able to bankrupt a casino? Where they can can almost literally print money. And not just one, but three of them. This man is literally one of the most inept businessmen I have ever seen.
3 casinos. Trump bankrupted 3 casinos.
But he looked smaaaat on the apprentice. That’s all the fucking morons who support him seem to remember about Trump.
He is incompetent, confused and weak. Just what Putin wanted.
Yep. Of course. And SO easily manipulated and too dumb to even realize it.
This is the most accurate statement. There’s a reason why Trump wants Greenland, Canada, and Panama. Russia also wants all these. Wants free reign to move their boats and military through these areas and to be able to use the Panama Canal again.
The more I see all the stuff going on here, the more I am coming to realize that the orange taintstainy is just a Putin muppet puppet.
Everything this man does seems to appease Russia.
That’s the fallacy that I thought was learned back with Ross Perot. You don’t run a country like a business. It’s a government.
How was it learned and when. Where I can lear more? Wikipedia didn’t have any clear answers
It wasn’t learned. He was a 3rd party presidential candidate that ran on being a business man not a politician. He came in third.
I think “businessman” is a little misleading. Snake oil grifter is a closer description of how he ran.
We all know he’s a failed businessman. Who else can bankrupt a casino multiple times?
America just played their Trump card and they got themselves good and fucked.
I’m pretty sure that people who say they want to “run the country like a business” just think it sounds good but haven’t put 2 braincells worth of thought into it. Businesses exist to make money. Government exists to serve citizens.
Do you want firefighters showing up to your burning house and asking for a credit card before they put out the fire? Or maybe have the post office decide that it’s not profitable enough to service entire states? The whole idea is moronic.
Also the USPS is too busy delivering papers full of ads and junk mail, rather than investigating mail theft.
I mean, America already charge their citizens for healthcare, so they’re not that far off from your hypothetical
And it’s dumb, because, in the end, where is all that profit supposed to go?
The answer obviously is, to improve the country and the quality of life of its citizens, so we’re back to square one anyway
“Run the country like a business” is the dumbest thing ever. If the government was run like a business they’d raise taxes because what business doesn’t want to increase revenue? There would also be an open door immigration policy, because what business turns away potential customers?
Personally I want the government run like a non-profit organization whose goal is to make my life better, but that’s just me.
i’m still waiting for an explanation on how running anything like a business is objectively a good thing.
I’m up in the middle of nowhere Ontario in the north surrounded mostly by trees and lakes and not even remotely close to anything American … but yet I still have a few friends and family who love your dumb orange beanbag president.
I don’t understand the pull that this idiot has on people or the millionaires and billionaires that pour their money into him for some god forsaken reason.
It is actually perfectly simple.
Mr. Trump gives people easy answers to extremely complex problems, the fact that he is rich means that people just assume he is right about it.
People want easy answers that don’t blame them, Trump has perfected the style of of talking where he is ambiguous enough that people fill in the blanks themselves.
It is classic fascism speech.
Do you tell him that Trump has filed for bankruptcy six times with his companies? What does that say about his business acumen? How often has your uncle filed for bankruptcy?
Those kind of people generally answer that he bankrupted « because of Biden ».
That doesn’t work. The hardcore Trump supporters think bankruptcy is a genius life hack to get out from having to repay debts.
They actually believe it’s smart to borrow money, hide them in other businesses and personal accounts, then declare bankruptcy to keep the money. To the rest of the world, that’s called “embezzlement.”
Don’t forget the inflate the value of your assets so you can borrow even more money, but declare them as a lesser value on your taxes.
he supports trump cause he’ll “run the country the country like a business”
THIS MOTHERFUCKER BANKRUPTED A CASINO.
People say they want him to run the country like a business, but that man bankrupted a money printing machine, probably because he was doing all kinds of illegal shit and didn’t actually run his business like a business. Why would he run a money printing country any different than his money printing business.
My dumbass uncle feels the same way as yours, and I have to bite my tongue so after to remind him that he and trump have something in common: they both embezzled from their company until it died.
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The “run government like a business” crowd gets to me. I’d like to see business run like a government. Owned and controlled by the workers.
It’s one of the dumbest perspectives I’ve heard that continues to irk me. Why the fuck would you want something that’s supposed to do X to do Y instead?
He will run the country like he does all of his businesses; into the ground.
He even failed at running a casino. Except this time he will likely be burying thousands of Americans along with the country.
Trump is now uniting Canadians like never before.
My mum last night on text.
“We’ll see what shithead Trump retaliates with tomorrow. The only way to stop the maniac is with a bullet!”
“Have you noticed how shithead has not left the White House since he was sworn in?”
“Trudeau is doing a great job!” (Referring to the presser)
I’m glad I don’t have your family OP
Edit - for the kids out there my mum is 74. She’s a baby boomer. Some of them are good people. They are not well off. I told my parents with the tariffs coming if they find themselves struggling to let me know because I will help in any way I can.
I appreciate your mom. My old man is a crass Appalachian boomer and speaks in a similar tone and diction with respect to Trump.
His ancestors are weeping
“Have you noticed how shithead has not left the White House since he was sworn in?”
I guess she hasn’t noticed shithead was back on the golf course a week after he was sworn in.
Cut her some slack she’s 74 lol
both Canadian and American retirement portfolios will suffer. i don’t know why anyone would root for such a thing at all
Trump started it, now is not the time to think how this is bad. You need to choose a side and act accordingly with countermeasures, which will likely escalate further.
how about not doing that instead
No I think a strong united response is necessary. We are in for hard times either way.
Yes, it’s Putin who’s totally controlling trump and making him do tarrifs. After all, Putin leads hamas, putin did 9/11, putin killed millions in Iraq, Putin killed millions the middle east, Putin’s funding UAE and Israeli genocides against Sudan and Palestine How peaceful the world would be without Putin /s
I mean, at the very least, the man could take his dick out of the Ukraine.
Very peaceful. Putin’s a busy man, with his hands pulling a lot of strings.
Then the focus will be another, “world peace” to America to the west is when their elites can do whatever they could ever dream of at the cost of the entire earth, it’s people and animals exploited.
Putin now, then Palestinans, then Panama, then Canadians, the gays, dei, muslims, socialist, leftist, woke, so on and so forth until everyone is dead but America gets all the toys they could ever play with. Your nation and your propaganda is a joke. Putin is awful, but he’s undeniably done less damage in this entire years as leader of Russia than America in 2 terms
How the average Russian life expectancy gone in the last 20 years?
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mUH wHataBoUTiSm. I’m shocked this user is from .ml
Shocked, I tell you.
No he is dead on. The US has been shooting itself in the foot for decades in order to murder little brown kids.
The only way your argument makes any sense is if Russia ordered Biden to commit genocide and throw the election. The DNC decided to run a geriatric against Trump. They are no smarter or better than the Republicans.
More wHataBoUTiSm from another .ml account.
Again, just shocked. Tu quoque fallacy at its finest.
I didn’t want to believe it, but .world and Reddit powermod user overlap must be real high. They all are like a hivemind of “making fun of tankie” aka the liberal version of “woke”
How is this whataboutism? They only pointed out that the US has a long history of doing shitty things without being controlled by some foreign actor. It’s perfectly plausible that Trump is doing shitty things because he thinks he will personally gain something out of it, without anyone pulling his strings. He just doesn’t care if the rest of the country goes up in flames.
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Someone explain why he is going after Canada? The US has benefitted from having the safest borders in the world and this dolt wants to jeopardize that.
Madness.
His goal is not to benefit America.
He’s salty about America’s trade deficit with Canada, which as the other guy said is madness.
Honestly I think he just hates Trudeau, that’s literally the reason
Why does this say 25 per cent instead of 25 percent?
It means you pay 2500 on the dollar. Get tariffed bitch
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25 per hundred. 25/100. 25 per centum.
That’s just how it’s spelled in some places, namely large parts of Canada. Which is likely where this article is from considering the website has Toronto in the name and is talking about the prime minister of Canada.
If this escalates, wait until Canada decides to stop buying US made weapon systems. It will be expensive and time consuming to retrain, but the US is not a reliable defense partner under the neo-Nazi GOP. The US MIC must see the writing on the wall.
We really should have gone with the Gripen.
The Saab Gripen is one of the best deals available and there should have been more customers.
This is what we get now that prats are running the US economy on adolescent IQs and emotions.
The “women are too emotional to be leaders” crowd are running the show with the mentality of a grade school bully
So from the conservative viewpoint, what is the rationale for the tariffs? Are people really supposed to believe it has something to do with fentanyl? Like do conservatives actually believe that or is there some other narrative besides Donald Trump is looking to flex his power?
For the most part it’s not getting the kind of attention you might expect, they are seeing this as all “part of the plan” and celebrating their great trade-warrior leader punishing the “bad guys” and the white house has deliberately withheld a LOT of the information about what’s going on. Most of the breaking stories we’ve gotten have been from foreign press. We didn’t even hear the tariff schedule until fucking France media issued stories.
There is not going to be the satisfaction we all hope for, not until there’s literally a new dust-bowl as we get ravaged by a new great depression, which as bad as it could be, might be our only hope for a more balanced political system going forward. I hate that these clowns have made me into an accelerationist but here are.
Back in 1890, there was no income tax. The federal government was funded through tariffs. With the upcoming rewrite of the tax code, the current administration needs new revenue, and trariffs are one of the few the president cab levy unilaterally.
Tariffs are essentially a shitty sales tax. I’ve read it described as a way to switch the US federal funding from I come tax to a hidden sales tax.
The revenues will also be much much lower, which is why they need to eliminate every federal bureau.
He’s talking about Canada being 51st state. So not sure if he wants to just annex Canada.
It’s not conservatism, it’s fascism. The strongman says jump and those loyal to him say “how high?” even when he’s being stupid. There is no analysis of Trump’s actions or why people go along with it beyond that.
Yeah I’m confused because this is going to ruin American billionaires. Doesn’t maga worship billionaires?
If you have the money to ride it out you can buy the country for pennies on the dollar.
I had to chuckle about this comment. I said that same thing in a rant to family and friends last night including using the words “for pennies on the dollar”
or is there some other narrative
I believe a couple different things
a) he’s intentionally weakening the US economy to both weaken establishment institutions and spread mass discontent. he wants people nice and angry and fearful for the future. so when he takes more extreme actions later on, it doesn’t seem as bad. also he’s probably preparing for some sort of riot movement that includes political violence in the next couple years. as the establishment gets weaker, he’ll be in a better position to essentially ignore them. so for example Supreme Court says something unconstitutional? Maybe he just ignores it and enforces his will regardless
b) in the near future we may see a serious decoupling of the US economy from the world. maybe it’s due a planned war or some other circumstance and this is in preparation for that. tariffs tend to cut off the economy from the outside world. it’ll hurt less later on if we do some of it now
Yeah they do. Source: I know idiots.
Begun, the Bullshit Wars have.
This time, they’ll call it Order 1488.
Wouldn’t a subsidy or tax incentive for things produced domestically be a more beneficial way to combat tariffs?
How so? These would increase demand for things produced in Canada, not really harm America. These are retaliatory tariffs, so the latter is the point here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but for things that are made in both Canada and the US, if you increase demand for the version made in Canada, your country benefits, while hurting the US, since less is sold, so less money earned. Citizens are the ones paying tariffs anyway
The thing is: It’d be too roundabout to have the desired effect or message. Subsidies and tax incentives are good tools for strengthening your economy and lessening your dependence on exports, but they’re not really going to create the kind of sharp downward curve on sharesholders’ graphs that’d be considered retaliation.
It also hurts every other exporter instead of just USA, so it’s pissing everyone off.
One problem is that a lot of manufacturing has left Canada. So, with an increase in demand for Canadian products, it would take a while to ramp up production. Most likely what will happen is that we would just import more from other countries (most likely China). And, then, much like what happened after the government injected cash into the economy during the pandemic, we’ll suffer more inflation than what is healthy for Canada.
If we had the manufacturing capacity to be self sufficient (oil refinement and gasoline production is a big one that we let USA do), then your idea might work.
However, I don’t think that Canada’s purchasing power (on an individual consumer level) is strong enough to put a dent into USA manufacturing sales… Our population is only approx 1/10th that of the USA.
Didn’t he resign?
Once his party picks a new leader, yes.
Whatever happened to the good old days where rulers would simply abdicate their position and plunge their land into chaos 😡
An interim leader could have been chosen but it would have been disastrous at this point in time.
We also have a very different political system compared to the US.
He announced he’ll resign as Liberal leader as soon as the Liberals choose a new leader. That could take weeks or months.
Personnaly I would put a mirror tarrif. Tax the stuff going out to USA. Canadian economy will slow down, don’t make life more expensive for Canadians. And that way Americans might notice it faster if they pay 50 percent more.
The problem here, specifically, is that once imported items go up in price, there needs to be regulations that blocks local manufacturers from just upping their prices to match. Otherwise the imported items are still a viable purchase and tariffs will not work as a counter measure.
The Trump administration says it put the tariffs in place to force China, Mexico and Canada to stop the spread and manufacturing of fentanyl, in addition to pressuring Canada and Mexico to limit any illegal immigration into the United States.
Can anyone else see any actual logic to this? Do the Trump Republicans really believe this, or are they just saying it? What do they really want to achieve, apart from Trump being able to see himself as a tough guy?
Trump needs a fight, he cannot function without an enemy.
Did he just pick the only two other countries he could find on a map?
Trump is still butt hurt about world leaders, especially Justin Trudeau, laughing at him and making fun of him behind his back. The tarrifs are a way to generate funds to pay for tax breaks for the rich. It will also allow American companies to raise prices, and profits, without the cheaper Canadian products and with less supply so more demand. It’s a bit of him being a bully, a bit of revenge, but mostly, like everything else he is doing, it’s about allowing the wealthy to loot the country bankrupt while burning the thing to the ground and enriching himself.
It’s just a special operation to route out Nazis. It’s 15 cases going down to 0. It’ll be gone by Easter.
These tariffs are a way for Trump to tax his population so he can fund whatever he pleases. And the majority of his population don’t even understand this 25pct tax is going from their pocket straight into his.
A. Enact sales tax on poor people so that they can fund further corporate tax cuts
B. Ruin relationships with the closest American allies as that is a net benefit for geopolitical rivals like Russia, who Trump is demonstrably in bed with
C. Market value collapse let’s all the rich cronies that have crawled up Trump’s asshole buy out what’s left of America’s assets at fire sale prices. 10 richest men doubled their wealth during covid. They want that to happen again.How much lower can the taxes on them go? Warren Buffet already says he pays almost nothing.
“Almost nothing” != “Nothing”
Besides, why stop at zero? Why shouldn’t our benevolent job creators have a negative tax rate?
You owe them money!
You can always subsidize.
There’s no logic to it at all. It’s absolutely not about that.
Almost no fentanyl is getting into the US from Canada. A vanishingly small amount of illegal immigration occurs through the Canadian border.
It’s just fascism and imperialism.
The majority of fentanyl being smuggled into America is being smuggled in by American citizens. It’s not like cocaine or cannabis. You can smuggle a huge amount of fentanyl in a tiny bottle. Why risk sending it with an undocumented person?
One would think there would be some talk about precursors… But nope just tax it 25 % that will be sure to get producers to stop. Pure idiocy
They have to say this in order to get around the provisions in the free trade agreement HE signed last time he was in office.
Unfair… Trade deficits…
His words… About his own trade deal
It feels like he’s trying to accomplish the kind of hostile take over you see in business. That doesn’t really work with a country though…
Businesses cannot effectively function when the government is clowning around like this.
Canada would have to go back to adding items to that one particular list they made for us.
Getting a win even though it’s for something that wasn’t an issue in the first place.
Saw a policy expert say it’s a mixture of 3 things really:
- Trump likes to blame outsiders for problems and this is well received by his loyal base and gives off strongman vibes
- long term plan to switch from income tax (scales the more you earn) to consumption taxes (the poorer you are the more you pay for for consumption, relatively speaking) which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor. this wealth transfer is easier to sell when the populace is focused on outsiders
- Trump doesn’t understand basic economics
Tarrifs get paid to the Treasury, the Treasury is getting controlled by Musk and Trump, they can take whatever they want from those funds. Whos going to stop them? The Supreme Court takes bribes which can come from the same pot.
He just needs to keep a bit of support until all angles are secured. So he just spreads lies and blames everything on people here illegally to keep people pitted against each other. The largest source of illegals in this country is from overstaying Visas, the thing they are expanding to higher numbers… Aka more people to keep blaming shit on while putting on a show of deporting the ones that are already here.
Honestly doesn’t look like they’ll need much time to accomplish it.
Won’t someone think of the ultra wealthy?
I swear he wants to bring aristocracy to the US
I swear he wants to bring aristocracy to the US
He wants to further entrench the oligarchy, I think. And it seems to be working.
Did you hear his inauguration speech? Where he lamented the poor downtrodden billionaires who were now homeless because of the fires in LA?
They absolutely want to implement a national sales tax. They’ve been talking about it for a very long time and now they have the power to do it. And it’s very much a “fuck the poor” policy.
Oh god why would you ever switch from income tax to consumption tax when you have fuck all social safety nets and so many people living paycheck to paycheck. Its actually so evil. I hope he gets beheaded.
Lol on the switch from income tax. I haven’t heard a peep about that since before the election. Everything is just going to cost more now and I’m still going to be paying income taxes.
p 698 of project 2025 document:
The federal income tax system heavily taxes capital and corporate income and discourages work, savings, and investment. The public finance literature is clear that a consumption tax would minimize government’s distortion of private economic decisions and thus be the least economically harmful way to raise federal tax revenues.
more riches to capital and corporations, consumers will pay for it. it’s all in there
Or they are just thinking of a quick cash grab … gut the system and get as much wealth out of everything and everyone as fast and as much as possible … let it all crash then abandon everything with all their money and let someone else fix everything.
I think in that scenario it’s more likely that they would “buy the dip” then that they would up and leave. Some of the billionaires also want to found their own techno-fashist fiefdoms. This could be a good catalyst for that.
I’mma let you in on a secret: Fentanyl basically is only a meaningful threat to addicts who don’t know what they were taking. And if we actually cared about them, we would pump a fraction of a percent of our military budget into rehab and therapy to help them kick the habit and put narcan (sp?) in every emergency first aid kit right next to the defib. Beyond that, it is just an excuse for why a cop beat his wife or murdered a black kid.
As for what they ACTUALLY want to achieve? Saw an analyst hypothesize (on bluesky) that the real goal was the 10% tariffs. Put those on and drop them after vague claims of getting something in return (comparable to South America… fucking earlier this week?). It makes trump look “hard on China” while destabilizing relations between North America and later NATO. And it would result in basically every company jacking up their prices to pass that on to the consumer and then never lowering them because capitalism.
End result? increased profits for the oligarchs who jacked up their “made in America” products even more than the 10% they were now paying on materials and components.’
As for this? I don’t like seeing my retirement funds go down the toilet (and am not optimistic they are ever coming back up this time) but fuckin’ a. Burn it to the ground. It will hurt the little guy but it will hurt the 0.0000001%ers even more. The world is going to be on fire and have no water by the time I am eligible to take cash out of my 401k without penalties anyway.
That said? I assume he wants his base to believe the reason why groceries are still expensive is because Canada and Mexico just love fentanyl so much and they hate America. And his base will eat it up while the same useful idiots make sure the left is united against the Democrats (who do fucking suck but…).
American here.
Don’t counter with tarrifs. Counter with embargoes. Trump loaded you a gun and handed it to you. Pull the fucking trigger already.
I get what you’re saying, but the US being Canada’s biggest trading partner would absolutely destroy Canadian economy right together with the US economy
The Canadian economy will be ruined by any kind of half-measures.
Don’t negotiate with a fascist state. Cut them off, recall ambassadors, and cease all joint military operations.
Trump will never do anything to benefit Canada, so why give him an ounce of cooperation?
Because we still need our own economy?
If Canada 100% stops trading with the US it will wreck havoc on the economy. Sure, it’ll hurt the US too, and yes, it’s a fascist state at this point, but you still gotta live, eat, etc…
Brother, your economy is getting gigafucked by Trump either way.
You can slow-roll it, with the impact lasting decades, or the world can sign up for one shitty month that will result in Trump being neutered by Congressional Republicans who are terrified of 2026.
the world has too many right wing govs currently to handle any fallout form such efforts. they no doubt don’t see benefits; they just have no idea how to actually govern and are just in it for the cash.
Brother, your economy is getting gigafucked by Trump either way.
If someone shoots at you, you don’t shoot yourself in the foot to spite them. Canada is reliant on US trade. Cutting it off entirely would cause a serious economic shockwave that’s hard to understate.
Our only reliable allies. Europeans and the Pacific Partners like Australia, NZ, Japan and South Korea… are all oceans away. The US has by overwhelming force, the largest navy in the world. Only China, who we don’t want to dive into the arms of and become a puppet of, even remotely stands a chance.
Our allies aren’t going to rush to our aid in a worst case scenario, because they can’t get across the atlantic. and they’re also preoccupied with more or less being de-facto at war with the Russian Federation right now. and they are still not taking it seriously that they may have to fight for real over there.
When you start doing things like you’re suggesting. That is absolutely going to be seen as a hostile act by the US, and they will manufacture consent for war.
You know what’s frustrating in all that? Is that our leaders won’t do jack shit to diversify the economy.
Nothing has changed much during COVID and nothing will change now.
People will suffer and nothing will change.
Countries trade with the countries closest to them because the realities of logistics overpower politics or whatever ideals people might have. There are a few exceptions of course. Cuba doesn’t do a lot of trade with the countries closest to them. But they aren’t doing that well. The UK had an idea about diversifying their trade to be more about trade with non-european countries, but that didn’t go well either.
Geography is a bitch. You can’t physically move a country to another part of the globe, you have to deal with the countries near to you whether you like it or not.
We’re doing both. Both BC and Ontario are cutting off American Booze. That’s gonna hurt American company’s hard.
My hope if Trump keeps it up we cut off the power, and better yet the gas. Although that might make him try to invade or something.
Up next will be him calling Canadians Nazis and trying to annex Quebec.
My hope if Trump keeps it up we cut off the power, and better yet the gas. Although that might make him try to invade or something.
I think US history is clear. Mess with the US oil supply and you get the smoke.
I think US history is clear. Invade Canada and your capital gets the smoke.
And it burned burned burned. I’ll bet that made them mad!
Touché. I concede on this point. Let the Americans fear Canada burning down the capital again.
Let them remember why the Geneva Convention exists.
Counter by decriminalizing everything to do with violations of US intellectual property. Ignore all US patents. Let Canadian drug companies make pharmaceuticals without having to pay for a US license. Let repair shops disable the DRM systems that prevent HP printers from accepting any old generic ink. Let Canadian broadcasters show US movies and TV shows without kicking back money to Hollywood. Let Canadian farmers repair their tractors without first kicking back money to John Deere. Allow anybody who wants to to jailbreak iPhones, and sell kits that allow other people to do that. Free Canadians from having to kick 30% of every purchase back to Apple in California.
Sounds like heaven to me
Counter by giving Luigi Mangione diplomatic immunity.
That was Cory Doctorow’s recent take on it too. Trump just threw out the trade agreement with Canada and Mexico he was so proud to say was his accomplishment, after renegotiating NAFTA. They really should say fine, stew in your own mess. Ignore patents, crank out cheap pharmaceuticals, forget about DRM. Nationalize US factories on their soil. Will hurt for a while until new trade is established, but there is the whole rest of the planet to trade with.
Nationalize US factories on their soil
This is extreme and could warrant an invasion from the US. Wars have been fought for less. Look at what happened to Guatemala when they wanted to take back some of the half off their farmland owned by Chiquita.
Canada is a mid-sized power but not really in a position to flaunt US power like that
Canada is part of Nato. Isn’t trump going to leave Nato? So that would mean all of Nato would be on Canada’s side. That is one hell of a leg to stand on.
Nato doesn’t have the navy to help Canada in a fight. Assuming America isn’t torn apart by a civil war as factions of the military defects and there’s a revolution in the streets. (60/40 at that point. Fighting a century old ally is a red line that would absolutley cause a civil war)
the US navy would chuckle as the french and british and other relevant navies lie at the bottom of the atlantic. And at that point, Russia moves in and Europe is in a land war while the US decides to partner with Russia.
Britain and France also have thermonuclear weapons. Britain has Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarines and France has Triomphant class ballistic missile submarines, and both have nuclear capable fighters and bombers. If Europe is to fall - let the whole world fall with it.
I know, it’s a nuclear option. Seriously shouldn’t put that card down right off. And yeah, hasn’t gone well for any central or south american government that the US has destabilized or overthrown due to some large corporation’s interests. But as all this garbage escalates, bringing up the possibility could make owners and shareholders squirm a bit. It hurts them financially, the only thing that would make them care. People who Trump might (might, small chance) listen to. But before that point? Those companies can produce all kinds of things. Doesn’t mean Canada or Mexico have to let those goods go out across their borders. Their trade agreement has been torn up by Trump again. And you know that bureaucracy is complicated, things get held up in customs sometimes, occasionally for very very long times. Paperwork gets lost… When companies here in the US are screaming about their supply lines breaking down again, now because of HIS stupid tariff war, there will be some negative political fallout. Trump’s ego and image are vulnerable things despite all the bluster. He won’t back down, but he could pivot to something else and let this nonsense drop.
This is an insane hypothetical but the worst thing is I can totally see Trump declaring a “military intervention into the Canadian comunist takeover of US interests and property” or something like that
Canada should make nuclear weapons. Such is life in the shitter multiverse. I’d want my commune to have nukes to. Humans are psychotic hairless monkeys and are untrustworthy.
the rest of the world is too chicken shit. there is no rest of the world to trade with as the us cries to everyone that they need to embargo nation X.
I wish this comment (merc’s comment) would get bumped to the top of every post related to the tariffs. Tit for tat tariffs is stupid with predictable results. Strategic tariffs and other targeted mean of retaliation are better. Why is there only a 10% tariff on oil? Because the US needs Canada’s oil. You fuck with our economy we fuck with the resources we give you at a discounted rate. Look at CUSMA (hehe. or NAFTA or whatever broken trade agreement that was) and target the industries that the (US) wanted to protect.
And for people using the tired fight analogies - just because someone tries to punch you in the face doesn’t mean you punch them back in the face. You have already been training to kick them in the fucking balls.
Tit for tat tariffs is just political posturing for weak leadership.
Also, this is a fight against a much bigger opponent. Not only is the US population 10x bigger and their economy more than 10x bigger, that size means they have a lot more trade partners, whereas Canada is pretty isolated and trades mostly with the US.
If you’re up against a much stronger opponent in a life-or-death fight, you don’t fight fair.
Trump is so horrible he got Americans to side with the country putting retaliatory tariffs on them.
Also it should be pointed out that Trump essentially declared war on an ally because he wanted to seize Canadian land.
Any talk about drug trafficking is silly since the first thing Trump did was pardon one of the biggest drug traffickers in the world, Ross Ulbricht
Wait, the Dread Pirate Roberts got pardoned? How does that fix anything???
It makes Trump more money.
How did it fix anything for the rest? Ha
Trump isn’t trying to fix things. He is trying to break it all and end up a dictator. He isn’t healthy so he wont live long enough to enjoy being a despot like putin. Trump honestly can’t see his own death. Few can. That narcissist will die with a surprised look on his face. His father lived a long time but he wasn’t a overweight coke head.
All drugs should be legal
I’m sure the Kamala timeline would have been Just As Bad ™.
Kamala would have been at best delaying the inevitable. The DNC is not capable of meaningfully changing fast enough to react to the growing threat of fascism.
“we’re all gonna die one day, why delay the inevitable”
Delaying the inevitable seems like a much better option than, you know, the inevitable
"may as well commit suicide, because, well, you’re going to eventually die anyway "
Say what? So I guess the solution is to…install the people actually eager to implement fascism?
Make it make sense…
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If we had a more representative electoral system, people could be free to vote outside the two party system. Then people could vote how they want and their vote could still be counted against the republicans if their preference didn’t win.
You do support democracy right? Because democracy is not “vote for my preference or else”. That is a hostage situation and should be treated as the crisis it is. Your fellow Americans are not represented by their options in the voting booth. This is a crisis!
Yet the democratic party hasn’t done away with the FPTP voting system in most of the blue states they control. They wanted safe states and easy elections with no hard questions to answer. Even if it meant republicans winning it all and then some.
The United States of America is more important then the Democratic Party.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
