In times past, anyone doing anything like that around the president would have put the president on the fast track to impeachment.
Today, this will just slide, and we’ll have another piece of outrageous news tomorrow that nobody will be outraged about for more than 10 minutes. Different values today I guess…
It’s not so much values as it is a lack of power in the working class. These things can be done because the greater population has no power or influence. Since their is no organization to resist it the mass of the population falls into two areas of “cope”. The crowd that knows it’s fucked up and has no one to organize against it. And the crowd that knows it’s fucked up but “no one is doing anything” so they find a place to normalize or deny it. It’s not “really” a Nazi salute.
You may call this “values”. But I’d say it’s more about how well the ruling class has controlled and passified the population.
Also, when half the country is worried about putting food on the table or paying rent. They really don’t have time to give a fuck. Material conditions really shape what we might perceive as a “lack of values”.
Impeachment in the US seems to be meaningless too, though
It’s because impeachment is a partisan process. If the Republicans had an ounce of integrity (or even self-preservation) they would have joined the Democrats in voting to convict when Trump was impeached multiple times previously.
The second time was their easiest out. He wasn’t President, he had just lost an election, most of the country was disgusted with his antics post-election or at least just tired with it all.
They could’ve kneecapped him right then and barred him from running again. He would have left Washington a pariah. Most Republians hated the man, and this was their chance to shoot the rabid dog, but they were afraid of getting primaried over it. Which itself is ridiculous because most of the GOP senators were 3-5 years from their next primary.
That was when the GOP was fully-captured.
It really is. It does fucking nothing.
The goal of fox news post nixon was to prevent anything similar to what happened to nixon as a result of watergate. That and the fact that wall street robber barons were mot punished for the business plot fascist coup attempt against fdr and then the son and grandson of that coup attempt’s primary architect were both sitting presidents and now America has been obviously fascist to anyone paying attention the last 40-50 years now they are so emboldened they don’t even try and hide it.
Dude. Punctuation.
I think this is a stretch and i do this sometimes as well. An outreached hand as a greeting or similar. The Nazi salute is very obvious and has a strong flat hand at like 45 degrees. This doesn’t look like that.
You don’t need to make excuses.
This is Steve Bannon. And he’s doing a poor man’s Nazi salute so he can claim plausible deniability after the fact. He even responds with a smile when the crowd cheers it.
Stop making excuses for fascists.
Considering the current context of the political climate in America, if you didn’t want to associate yourself with Nazis you would steer clear of anything that might associate you with being a Nazi. Especially while on a public podium.
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The top image but not the others. Do it now. Notice how your fingers are relaxed and spaced apart, not held rigid and bunched together like they would be for a salute.
That’s what I’m saying. His hand looks too relaxed to be considered the Nazi salute. Musks hand was very rigid and straight
Do you think the other humans around you are as stupid as you are?
You made your account a couple of hours ago. Pipe down.
lol what kind of comeback is that? I’d like to have a talk with the guy that let you out of the locker
Hey look they mentioned you in the article
… though Musk has not as of this date specifically denied the accusations that the gesture was a Nazi salute. However, for reasons one can only guess at, others took the liberty of denying that on his behalf, unprompted.
Americans are shit at saluting straight without considerable practice
“Apparent”
Chickenshit Nazi enablers.
Atleast it’s actually being called that now
It’s almost like the capitalist media has completely normalized and apologized for fascism.
I don’t think this one is nearly as obvious as Musk’s, and I feel like blowing something like this up makes us look bad and will only further them doing sarcastic, vague gestures “as a joke” until it gets normalized more.
it is very obvious. he isn’t waving, he isn’t pointing at anything, he isn’t emphasizing or illustrating anything because he’s not even talking when he does it. there’s a bunch of things you might be doing that can be screen grabbed to look like a salute. but the video is clear, he’s just doing a salute.
It could be a trap, where we make a big deal about it and they claim they’re “joking” each time and then it gets normalized. But the alternative is preemptively normalizing it by buying into the plausible deniability. There’s no ‘winning’ move, I’d rather call him a fucking Nazi
Stop making excuses for fascists.
This is Steve Bannon performing a poor man’s Nazi salute so he can claim plausible deniability later.
He even responds with a smile when the crowd cheers him doing it.
Stop making excuses for fascists. Unless you are one…
My favorite song by the Dead Kennedys is “Nazi Punks Will Go Away on Their Own So Don’t Make a Big Deal About It”
My friend, you can’t have it both ways. If he “made a mistake” and then humbly and profusely apologized, then you could maybe pretend it was accidental… But that’s not what happened, right? He didn’t apologize because he meant it.
We will never, ever, look bad for calling out racism when we see it as clearly as we did here. But we would certainly be horrible human beings if we decided to pretend it wasn’t happening.
Anyway, of course you can do what you feel is right. For me, it’s simple. Fuck that racist motherfucker.
And even when reporting on it they link to the neo-Nazi site X for the video.
If it a salute it was a pretty shit and lazy one. Not that I would be surprised if that’s what it was.
He wanted plausible deniability. He didn’t get there.
It’s a shit and lazy person.
This isn’t new, right?
I’m unfamiliar with the context for most of these. Plenty don’t look like Nazi salutes. To me, anyway.
But literally every word that has slithered out of that moldy potato’s mouth for the last two decades is all you need to know he’s a white supremacist.
Totally agree. Most of those look very innocuous. If you watch the video of the particular event in question, it’s blatantly obvious:
Oh yeah I first saw that on a miniminuteman YouTube short. At first I thought, no way, then he played the clip in context. And uh. Yeah. Woof. That’s a Nazi salute alright.
Yeah a lot of those look moderately benign (waving away media, for example). Best case scenario it’s an unfortunate habit what happens to make him look like a Nazi… At the same time, I’d expect someone to break the habit to distance themselves from it.
Also, in this case we are discussing here it is crystal clear that this was an actual intended nazi salute. Those other ones in the photos probably were not – at least each picture has visual cues that point towards the hand gesture having had a different meaning than on this one now.
On first one the fingers are much more open than now. On the second one the arm is quite low and the facial expression looks mostly worried. Probably he’s just waving his hand there. And the same goes for the rest of the pictures. Especially the facial expressions are very different from the video shown now, where there is nothing ambiguous.
Of course, if the context is shown, some of those photos could prove to really have been hitler salutes, but I highly doubt they were.
Why should he change? It’s the nazis that suck!
What do mean apprent.
It’s super annoying isn’t it? The video is superbly clear. He did it, he did it on purpose, and he knew what it meant. You can see it, and his intent easily.
So far the only papers that I’ve seen cover this unequivocally are foreign ones
I cannot wait for these monsters to get their faces kicked in. Fuck these fascists!
Fascists always end up swinging.
The problem is a ton of decent people usually have to die first. Economies have to be destroyed. Rights have to be won back. Allegiances broken.
They’ll get theirs. But what do we lose in the process?
Not another accidental Nazi salute! These clumsy Nazis keep accidentally throwing that Nazi salute around completely by mistake!
it’s the autism bro. bannon is like totally aspie
Don’t you hate it when you accidentally do the Nazi salute when you’re a nazi?
Just a little Freudian slip. Nothing to look out for!
If it quacks like a nazi…
More privileged fat middle aged white guys signaling their hatred
What a pathetic fucking loser
There are things that happen to people who are nazis.
The thing that should really give nazis pause is, even if they win, they still lose. It’s not like they’re gonna have a good life in whatever society they think they’re making.
There are things that happen to people who are nazis.
Those things usually aren’t just done by random people alone. They happen because people were networked,organized and working together.
The number of days left to begin organizing are getting less and less.
I’m one of the good ones
Is often what they tell themselves
The Roman salute has no such loft
The “roman salute” never existed.
https://thegrimhistorian.substack.com/p/the-ancient-roman-salute-that-never
Fuckin’ Nazi fuck
Well these Nazis are back
