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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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Acellerate! MORE ACCELERATION!
“to cut” is very different from “could cut”
Don’t announce it, just do it and observe the panic…and then the begging for it to come back but with a 25% hike in prices.
Also it can only be paid in avocado toast.
Just look at this ARCO!
Its on biaches!
Wow, $2.01CAD/L that’s actually slightly higher than our notoriously high BC prices. I was assuming it would be something like $1CAD/L which is a low price we’d dream of here.
Its okay poor people will just band together carpooling in mini coopers… 12 at a time. All while wearing big shoes. Hey! We gotta make a buck somehow! This Canadian engine covffefe won’t pay for itself.
Need to scan the border to make sure they are not running an extension cord through it.
It would be buried, grab your metal detector.
Gotta change the National wifi password as well.
“sorry” was never a good password anyway
Is it too much to hope this little spat somehow crashes the housing market and this generation can finally own a home? that would be so cool.
It’s nearly universally too much to hope for capital to fail. In Canada, the CMHC and the BoC would make every effort to ensure that housing would not depreciate in value; if you want, you can think of it as essentially their job to make sure you stay a poor renter if you’re under 50.
It probably is supposed to crash the housing market, so that private equity can swoop everything up.
Yeah… unfortunately everyone’s pay check will also tank so you still won’t be able to afford it.
“Bread was a nickel a loaf, but nobody had a nickel.”
-old man when asked about the great depression
Sadly, it would probably crash all of the markets, meaning no one would be able to afford a home because nobody has a job.
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”
Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.
They are absolutely intentionally destroying the system
I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves
Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this
On the other hand, our formerly quasi-municipal energy company is now owned by a Canadian conglomerate. I’d not mind unwinding that.
Like it or not, we are all connected across North America.
Do it Canada. The dumber half of our country needs to learn the hard way. And, unfortunately, the smarter half has to go along for the ride.
Exactly. The entire reason Trump is President again is because we did not take the serious extreme and required actions after the 2020 elections to ensure that him, his supporters, and enablers could never participate in American society again.
The same mistake we made after the civil war we decided that we would be generous and go easy on those who betrayed us. We are still paying for that mistake we are still paying for the mistake with Trump. The only thing fascist understand is violence in the only way fascism ends is through violence.
we dint even investigate the election machines in 2020, because the DNC was so afraid of being called out rigging themselves.
Yall lost and then rigged 24, get fucking real
The dumber half of our country needs to learn…
The won’t. You need to target trump’s real support, which is Russia and billionaires. Going after his voters is like kicking a dog for eating it’s own puke. The poor animal just isn’t capable of understanding what it did or why you kicked it.
Isn’t Canada donating seized Russian assets to the Ukrainian war effort?
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
Yeah, thats why I said a total system collapses. And that’s not out of the question.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
I guess you proved your own point.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Best case Ontario.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
I’m pretty sure Minnesota imports something like 60% of our energy - i’m at least glad we’re past the worst of the winter weather but holy fuck is it going to suck
Yes cut the power. Please do it. Let our stupid government realize they are royally fucking up.
Awesome Canada!
Ford’s “smile” masks the grim reality of trade wars hurting everyday citizens on both sides. Effectively summarizes the stakes and implications of Ford’s actions.
🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
As an American, fucking do it, and make sure DC and Red states feel the most pain. And don’t have some qwar ass back door conversation/deal to end the tariffs. Refuse to end them until he goes on live television and reads the following
“To all my fellow Americans, the best Americans from the best America, in hind sight, as it concerns tariffs with our closest geographical allies, I was wrong. The decision I made was stupid, and it was made by an idiot, me. Unfortunately I don’t have the intellectual or business aptitude to actually determine what a good decision would be, as opposed to a bad decision. In fact, I am as stupid as the idiots who voted for me. This was the idea that I thought I would be fantastic and I was completely wrong and it’s the only idea I had. I apologize to Canada and Mexico, both their leaders and citizens”
It would crush him to make a sincere public apology and backtrack. And he’ll still get lynched before the end of year. Because he fucking deserves it.
Canada ought to put forward two points.
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Any tariff trump makes will be matched, and will run for 90 days longer than trump’s tariff (make that shit show up big on quarterly earnings numbers)
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Any tariff that trump merely mentions publicly, or in private negotiaions, will immediately start a retaliatory tariff from Canada.
just mentioning will put companies into a panic.
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Unfortunately, most of Texas will be fine… ish. Well, as fine as they usually are, which isn’t great. I’m really surprised more people aren’t up in arms about how much this state fucking sucks ass for literally everything.
Please please please only do this during the day. 8AM to 5PM. Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof. Do this during the day to shut down the businesses that stumped for trump, sent him millions of dollars and bent the knee in the hopes the tax burden will get shifted further down the income scale.
But definitely do it!
Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof.
The whole point of democracy is the voters have an impact. If nothing changes for the voters don’t be surprised when they vote for the same party next time.
70% of American voters allowed Trump to be elected by either voting for him or not voting. Only a minority of 30% tried to stand against him. I hope Trump has a hell of an impact on the 70%. Every one that cries that they voted for him but have lost their job or whatever fully deserve it. Nothing he is doing now wasn’t known before the election. None of it is a surprise. The only surprise is that 70% of Americans supported him destroying their country.
Trump’s tariffs don’t just apply to business hours. Americans need to feel the pain that Canadians will.
Sure, if you want to have fair tariffs.
If you want to have effective tariffs that reverse trumps policy, then you need to be more selective.
I disagree. If people are comfortable, they won’t want to change the status quo.
Sorry. 24/7, just like the tariffs.
It will hurt. That’s the point. Maybe it’ll hurt enough that y’all DO something about the absolute fuckery happening down there. Canada didn’t ask for this shit.
I hate that this is where things are but pretty soon folks will need to get to the FO part of FAFO.
You can’t bomb people into loving you. A lesson hard learned in the Middle East.
Sure, you can run those tariffs 24/7, and it would be totally in your sovereign right to do so. However, that’s not going to change anything. Trump may be a blithering idiot, but the Peter Thiels and Stephen Millers feeding him all those “bright ideas” certainly knew that equal tariffs from Canada would be the response. The line here will be “Canada is attacking you, and shutting off your power”, and the trump supporters will gag themselves choking down that line of rhetoric as hard and as fast as possible. Thats not going to solve the tariffs problem for Canada though, it will only make it worse.
If you want revenge, equal tariffs. If you wanna actually stick it to the people that stuck you and force them to backtrack, go after the businesses bottom line.
You can’t bomb people into loving you
That’s what Canada needs to teach Trump. It’s needs to be 24/7 or else he thinks he got away with it.
This all just seems incredibly sad to me. As a nation, it sounds like the fight has been completely beaten out of you all, so much so that you’re afraid of even a little pain, vote based on empty promises and sound bites, and blame each other instead of yourselves.
You all traded your freedom for convenience. You’re like flowers, opened wide, waiting for rain rather than vines that seek.
Best of luck to you all. We have to prepare ourselves, as members of the global economy, for this economic fallout. I’m prepared to fight and suffer, if I have to protect my own way of life.
Pain is fine. Pain is deserved. Pain needs to either be felt as a whole or target the most deserving.
But shutting off electricity mainly affects people without any power (😁) and that had the awareness to vote against this horror. Trump and co will just laugh “see the poor snowflake liberals what happens when they import clean electricity instead of good old American coal”.
I can’t argue that we don’t deserve it but I can hope for something more likely to help make a difference
That’s exactly right; the policies that your government is putting forward only hurts middle and lower class on both sides of the border.
Honestly, the only way to overthrow a dictatorship is to roll heads. They’re not going to be voted out, that’s for sure.
I think about what the Dutch did to the De Witt brothers for selling out their territory to the enemy. They were hung upside down with broken legs, sliced up. stabbed, fingers and toes cut off, faces cut off, genitals cut off, then disemboweled them alive.
I personally prefer the big bagel slicer option but to each their own.
Damn… your comment being at zero upvotes is making me realize just how much everyone hates us. I know zero isn’t really anything on the surface. But I would’ve thought your comment would resonate a little.
But naw, everyone is, rightfully, just fearing for their countries right now and wants to, understandably, punish.
I fucking hate my country rn, I protested today even. But I know we’re in a bad spot and I kinda looked to countries like Canada as our last hope in defeating the pieces of shit running our country.
Guess I was delusional that they would still prioritize us “good” ones and keep us safe. But like… why? Why would they?
Oh well, no one who’s lived in a collapsing empire throughout history wanted to. And a lot of people died, and they probably didn’t want to lol.
I hope I don’t die, but I hope for good to prevail more. And if I die in the process of the defeat of this fucked country, and the world order that follows is something better. So be it… shits rough.
What right isn’t always popular, and what’s popular isn’t always right.
I can’t blame people who just got slapped with a CoL increase because the great orange leader of the dipshit bigot brigade needed neded new meat to toss to his base. If you’re throwing punches everywhere, some bystanders are gonna get bloody noses though.
