Chuck Schumer says he won't block Republican funding bill amid Democratic divisions over shutdown strategy
www.nbcnews.com
Schumer relented one day after vowing that Senate Democrats would thwart the "partisan" measure, saying the "chaos" of a government shutdown would be a worse option.

Absolutely useless

  • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
    871·
    4 months ago

    Call your senators, they can still block this despite Schumers push. The vote is tomorrow. If all republican vote for it, they need 7 dems. 8 with Rand Paul who has said he’ll vote no. (Republicans are not using reconciliation so it needs the the filibuster)

    Many senate dems are publicly coming out against voting for cloture (meaning they won’t vote to let it get through the filibuster). As of what I last read, around 11 10 dems are thought to potentially vote to let it pass filibuster. Most of those are still not sure. We only need a handful more of those to become noes and it will get blocked. Some yeses have flipped to noes because of public pressure. We cannot let up now

    Link to find direct numbers your senators

    https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm

    Or call the capitol switch board (202) 224-3121

    House dems are publicly telling the senate not to do this (and it’s not just AOC on this - it’s quite a few of them). Earlier read that 7 Dem state AGs are saying the same. Federal worker unions are telling senate dems not do this. Keep the pressure up

    • takeda@lemm.ee
      145·
      4 months ago

      One thing to keep in mind though…

      I was outraged a minute ago, but now I’m not sure.

      When the government is shut down, so are the courts, and we need them.

      How one branch is capable to shut down apparently a co-equal branch of the government?

      • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
        21·
        4 months ago

        Not immediately

        Unlike executive branch agencies, the federal courts can continue operations for about two weeks following a government shutdown. When a shutdown loomed in September 2019, the U.S. federal courts confirmed they could use reserve or carryover funds accumulated from various revenue sources not dependent on Congress, such as case filing fees. When courts are on notice that a government shutdown may be looming, they can take steps to conserve funds by deferring non-critical expenses — for example, by curbing travel, new hires, and certain contracts.

        https://judicialstudies.duke.edu/2024/05/how-a-u-s-government-shutdown-impacts-courts-access-to-justice/

        Plus voting in favor of this CR would be codifying much of what these cases are about. Many of the illegal spending cuts would become legal until September making the cases moot.

        It would also fuck over DC local government in a way the executive branch cannot easily do. Congress can control DC budgets but very little of the DC budget comes from federal money (<1%) where Trump could mess with. The CR has a clause to cut $1 billion from their budget despite that not saving the federal government any money

        • takeda@lemm.ee
          12·
          4 months ago

          That’s a good point. Looks like both ways are bad, but voting yes, still looks worse.

          • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
            18·
            4 months ago

            Indeed, there’s a reason the Federal Worker Unions are saying to vote against the CR despite the likely shutdown that would entail

            Plus it would teach senate Republicans that they can do basically whatever they want as long as they threaten a shutdown. You have to stand up strong to bullies it’s the only thing they understand

  • madjo@feddit.nl
    10·
    4 months ago

    Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he’s a nazi is disguise.

  • Libra00@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    4 months ago

    You have meek fuckers in leadership because that’s who the corporate/wealthy donors want there. If you want to get rid of them you’re going to have to get rid of the money and influence that put them there.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    141·
    4 months ago

    If someone who has been in office doing their job for decades and still hasn’t changed much … why does anyone expect them to do anything different now?

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    4 months ago

    Jesus Christ I’m sick of government shutdown drama. Do your jobs and figure out the budget on time, you fucking assholes.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      10·
      4 months ago

      They have. Republicans are in charge rn, and they decided to gut 2 trillion in programs like Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, and a shitload of other stuff so that they can feel slightly better about the 4.5 Trillion deficit they’re going to add by extending their tax cuts for the rich.

      That’s why a lot of people are upset enough to want the government to shut down rather than face that reality.

  • F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    4 months ago

    They’re not meek, they profit from the status quo.

    These people have no business in governing modern day people, these dinosaurs need to be let go.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      they benefit and profit by not being the blame of the GOP whom they are also grifting form.

  • RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world
    32·
    4 months ago

    From 2008 through Bidens term, when the GOP wanted to use the threat of a Govt shutdown against Democrats as leverage negotiating as a minority party. Now, the Democrats want to use the same methods as a way to have some power. The problem with this line of thinking is that the current administration does not want most of the Government open. They want to shut it down and give DOGE time to make sure none of the employees come back. This is the total opposite of the leverage the GOP had over Democrats who only wanted to keep the Government open. It was never going to work and they would have just been helping DOGE complete their goals. After all their goal is to dismantle as much of the Federal Govt as possible.

      • kreskin@lemmy.world
        3·
        4 months ago

        Trump cant do nearly as much damage to a government thats utterly closed down, so they should have shut it all down for 3 years and 10 months if they could. If the dems had a single stone shared between the lot of them they’d shut it all down. Or maybe the dems are corrupt, but its the same outcome either way.

    • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
      6·
      4 months ago

      You mean like recently? No. It’s been a lot more than a feeling since 2016, for me at least. A known fact I guess you could call it?

    • kreskin@lemmy.world
      81·
      4 months ago

      Well he’s a zionist. And the zionists bought both parties but preferred trump in power. So yeah.

    • rational_lib@lemmy.world
      7·
      4 months ago

      He’s very dependent on donations from the banking industry, it’s all there on OpenSecrets. Both NY senators voted to end cloture because that’s where wall street is. Gillibrand seems to be avoiding criticism for some reason but it’s the same exact story for her. Wall street was already suffering from the Trump tariff decline and couldn’t take any more from a shutdown.

  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comBannedEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    you can try, it’s unlikely to happen.

    Unfortunately we seem to have zero good public speakers in out government, the one thing that actually seems to matter politically, just doesn’t exist anymore, apparently.

  • pjwestin@lemmy.world
    6·
    4 months ago

    Absolutely. I’ve been calling my Senators since Thursday telling them that if they don’t publicly call for Schumer to step down, then they are culpable for his decisions. Supporting fascist enablers is supporting fascism.

        • randon31415@lemmy.world
          1·
          4 months ago

          It’s like invading Iraq when a bunch of Saudis that hate Iraq attack you. You have to ask yourself “is this exactly what they want me to do?” And then “If I want my revenge, whom should I attack and how?”

          Attacking federal workers on behalf of Trump is not the way to “Stand up to Trump”

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    32·
    4 months ago

    The US has no form of vote of no confidence. So therefore no way to have consequences for bad governing outside of the voting period, which has its own problems. Importantly here is the need for quick backlash rather than wait two or more years to choose someone else (if there is anyone else allowed to be a pick).

    A lot of the flaws in the government are inherent from the beginning because there were certain expectations assumed, and that a document of rules can’t be perfect the first, second, or even only a third time. It needs consistent revisions to keep up with the needs of the group it is designed for. This is where the biggest failure has happened, and can be attributed to lack of attention, not wanting to change what seems to work, sacred holding of what was never meant to be set in stone, or just that it often benefited not being changed at the time by those with the power to change it.

    Add to all that a very short attention spanned public, fine tuned to be ignorant and forgetful as well as easily manipulated by the simplest of sound bites.

    The rot is in the walls. Not that the American Experiment was a bad thing, it’s just that it wasn’t maintained and updated, so you get eventual decay.

    • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
      111·
      4 months ago

      Kevin McCarthy would still be the house leader if that were 100% true. Congressional leadership can changed with enough intrer-party pressure. Schumer is highly unlikely to face any expulsion vote from congress, but he could more realistically be stripped of leadership position. This is a breaking point that might actually build that pressure and we can play a roll in that by calling your senators.

      Not delaying Trump’s nominees with all tools (only some of them) isn’t nearly serious as him pushing to give up the one piece of genuine dem leverage until September for basically no gain. Directed pressure - not on social media - but in places senators can see will let us do it. That means calling them, emailing them, hell even faxing, showing up in person to their office and town halls, etc.

      Also do this for the bill vote itself too before tomorrow morning. See my comment about we can still block this vote