I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
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So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.
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whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.
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So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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96And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained a lot about people complaining….
A LOT.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
I can ask the question to both.
But if your only part in keeping fascism out of America is through voting- and you won’t even do that, you’re part of the problem that caused it.
There is no other way this can be.
This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Why doesn’t the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It’s true he wasn’t a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by “administrative error,” there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they’ve already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn’t complying.
If that’s your bright line, maybe check out the boot that’s straddling it.
My main criteria is can we fix it.
If a Democrat wins in 2028, we can hypothetically fix immigration policy, tariffs, and all the rest with enough popular support. In fact now that the far right has shown themselves to be a clown show, maybe that phase of America’s maturation may finally be ending. We might even bring Abrego Garcia himself back.
But if we deport citizens - who can vote and participate in democracy - that puts the thumb on the scale. It makes permanent fascism like in Russia more likely. And it’s worth dying to avoid that permanent fate. But if it’s temporary, it just doesn’t rise to that level.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
Seems obvious when you think about it.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when “ice” agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
I’m white but I hate their ideologies, their hatred for non white, immigrants, healthcare, basic decency. Fuck them. I wouldn’t be surprised if I were targeted eventually
Wasn’t the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as ‘population’ and not people, so the south wasn’t totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it’s hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You’re thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn’t mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn’t correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they’d still don’t just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people’s houses. Don’t wait. Force the issue.
We need a black panther revival asap
Yea, sure, instead of one extremist organization, let’s have two! Great idea! Lol
oh no, those extremists who protected from the police violence, and feed the hungry. how scary.
You think they would protect the police from violence today?
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edit: sorry, I swype typed and I somehow ended writing the opposite I meant.
I meant protecting from police violence.
You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don’t know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don’t know.
Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
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Melt the ICE
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
I would be willing to bet that a significant portion of them spend their workdays at half-mast just hoping for someone to resist with a weapon so they can execute them. They may be more prepared than you think.
And some job satisfaction.
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can’t reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you’re a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They’ve already done this, they’re just going to continue
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
It won’t hold up
Fascists have full support of the government to send everyone to concentration camps with no due process
Stand your ground isn’t going to do shit. And every conservative will suck the government dick
The government will make shit up like that have. That will say you worked for MS13 like that have been
Or say you are a pedophile. Nobody will defend you even liberals. And then it is your word against their and truth doesn’t matter. They’ll proceed anyway and kill you
He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
In Minecraft.
That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?.. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!
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Guillotines
FPV drones and energetics
My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we’re heading?
We’re there. Be ready to fight when they come.
It’s a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.
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That’s where you are I think.
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Headed? No. We’re there. If men in masks are telling you they’re police and trying to stuff you in a van, that’s it. You get cuffed. You’re dead. Buy a gun while you can. Make your life cost a life preferably more. Don’t let them put you in a camp or ghetto. Not a bad idea to go to a large gun shop in a state with next to no gun laws, find a person window shopping guns, strike up a conversation, and see if you can arrainge a third party sell. Then they don’t know to be weary of you.
Heading? The early stages of the Holocaust we’re precisely that.
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I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.
No one mourns the wicked
With the way things are going, that fuck would die peacefully in his sleep.
He’s already in hell. The fuck you think any of us are gonna do to him that he isn’t constantly torturing himself with. If you want him to suffer, you should be happy. ish.
Media keeps saying “criminal.” Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.
Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.
Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)
Then, when the camps were liberated:
The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, “Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons.” Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.
Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…
People forget that all the people the Nazi’s put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.
No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said “Yeah, I put innocent people in jail”.
This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.
Oddly enough, Trump’s DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can’t get him back.
No, no… they didn’t say they couldn’t get him back. They said they don’t have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They’re not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e
What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.
Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.
They also didn’t say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he’s super guilty of a million crimes, he was just “administratively” deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.
Obviously, he’s innocent. That’s clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer
This is why we have separation of powers
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Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we’re in this mess now?
You also need the Senate, not just the president.
But Republican senators have abdicated their duties and voters have not replaced them.
That’s why we have this mess.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for “defacing a poster” if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he’s in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
20k/year. TL;DR, it’s also making the country poorer, so no financial benefits whatsoever. It’s just pure spite and hatred…and for what?
At least Nazis made soap from them, and made them work. At least they had the excuse of needing land, improving the species.
Trump is just THEY BROWN, BROWN = CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL = EVIL!
I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.
Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.
Let’s start with him, the legally confirmed biggest criminal in United States political history.
Bring it you orange fuck.
I’ve been warning everyone, people won’t fucking hear it. Disgusting.
remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
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that sure was scary….
i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
“oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.
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also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That’s a legitimate training for them to get …
well, i ought to dig up a source… but can’t stomach dig through news videos from w.
but the things the people were being trained to say was disturbing….
this was right around when people were saying the abundance of new FEMA camps was nefarious (i don’t know how many they really made).
and homeland security created a national shortage of bullets for years, and some people found that to be ominous….
actually, homeland security being used to enforce unlawful orders by doge is kinda ominous to me, considering the bullet thing…
but yes, there’s a likelihood of NG being legitimately used to break up a violent protest or something…
in the unfindable video clip i saw, sounded more like rounding random people up, training… but people are bound to yell mind fuck shit at NG no matter what reason they’re getting detained for…
