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    17 days ago

    Including Cory Booker… 🤷‍♂️ 🙄

    Was everything he did recently just as performative as with MAGAts??

    Way to put up roadblocks and speedbumps when it really counts Dems… Feckless Fucks. 🖕 🖕

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      Yes it was! And please look in folks’ comment histories, the tankies were the first ones to call this out.

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      No shit it was. He wants to run for president and he knows that stunt will make headlines but this will be buried in comments where the headline is “16 democrats vote for trump nominee” (aka exactly what is happening here)

      Booker is classic neoliberal, no ethics or morals, guided by money and power. 10-15 years ago he was deeply in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry because they are huge in NJ. Then his aspirations went higher and he realized that association was harmful, at that point he had connections that made him no longer reliant on their cash, so he shed them. It’s not growth, it’s a calculated move

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        I recall that he was also in favor of charter schools, which made him non-viable for me years ago.

        I hoped that maybe he had a real change of heart last month, but I guess that was just a publicity stunt.

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        I had hoped he was going for redemption. Feckless moron doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of being president

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      Of course it was. It was just a political stunt to pump up his street cred as a warrior, in advance of an eventual announcement for a presidential campaign.

      Then he votes for the MAGA Nazis.

      He’s a collaborator.

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      Keep that energy, know your enemies, all of them.

      Never forget, next time they do a performance remember!

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      so blocking the appointment of the U.S. ambassador to China, in a vote they can’t win looking at the numbers, helps the revolution how?

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        Because its not about winning, its about taking a stand.

        You don’t give NAZI TRAITORS a single vote of support for ANYTHING. They are Nazis, they are the most corrupt and treasonous administration in American history, and any support is collaboration, even a single vote.

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            It gets taken as far as required to crush MAGA, bring their treasonous, corrupt leaders to justice, and purge MAGA from our government, society, and the world.

            MAGA is literally the same as the German Nazis of the 30s and 40s, and they will be operating death camps, just like their heros. They are already building a camp in Guantanamo Bay to hold 30,000 people, out of the sight of the media and the courts. They’ll send foreigners to El Salvador, but they’ll send Americans to Gitmo.

            Are we supposed to wait until they have killed millions, and have people say “Gee, why didn’t someone stop them before it got that far?”

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    16 days ago

    Yes correct. Because fundamentally there is no significant difference between Democrats and Republicans. Money and favor buy votes across the aisle the same as it buys anything else regardless of political affiliation.

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          You pretending they do not exist does not change reality. Presidential is not the only race, nor is it even the most important overall

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            Pretending that the primaries (when they happen at all) are fair doesn’t mean they are.

            The party went to court and successfully argued that they don’t have to run honest primaries. Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.

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              So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?

              Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.

              Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.

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                So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?

                All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.

                Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.

                Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.

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                  All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.

                  ,yes? that’s literally my issue. It’s advocating to not vote, which is russian propaganda driven and only serves to reduce real ability to fight fascism in favor of grandstanding online as a keyboard warrior.

                  Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.

                  That is not a common practice. It happens, yes. But it’s not common

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        This is not the same. Wealth is way more concentrated.

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      And the Rich have convinced the Poor that Harris, the Tax-the-Rich Candidate, was the corrupt one.

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    I get it. I too want this entire administration to burn, but at the same time, Perdue was a sitting Senator. A co-worker. Almost normal compared to Bondi or RFK Jr.

    And this isn’t a cabinet member. It’s not like Perdue is going to make any real progress with China on anything.

    China isn’t budging on shit.

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      Democrats reject this guy, a worse candidate is put forward next. Seems like a stupid hill to die on. They’re going to appoint somebody.

      Edit: I didn’t know he’d be confirmed anyway. If true, then I agree a Democratic rejection out of principle would have been a better statement.

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        Technically, if the Democrats reject this guy he still gets confirmed. If every Democrat, Independent, and also 3 Republicans reject this guy, he still gets confirmed. As was the case with Pete Hegseth, whom is way worse than Purdue in every way.

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        Let me get this clearly: because if they fight back, maga will be even nastier, so Dems did the right thing to save us from a worse outcome?

        Well fuck me, I’ve been at unfair to them. I owe them an apology.

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          That’s not what I said. There are better ways to fight.

          Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.

          Chuck Schumer is abysmal and needs to step down, and he was wrong about the budget. But the essence of his argument has some truth - politics is a two-way street. In the rare case where there is a possibility of cooperation, that sets a better standard and will likely be more effective than endless partisanship.

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            Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.

            This makes absolutely no sense, why not fight both?

            Is there a fight limit you don’t want them to waste on small fries? Or is their energy limited due to exhaustion from all their paid appearances and campaigning tours.

            Name one good reason why they shouldn’t be fighting ever single battle!

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              Why fight when (a) it’s not going to change anything and (b) winning the fight gets you a worse outcome.

              If it isn’t going to change anything but there’s a reason to fight on principle, by all means. But fighting for its own sake makes you look stupid and immature.

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            Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.

            Things centrists never say about progressives. Because centrists only have intentions of working with their republican buddies to accomplish their mutual goals.

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              I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.

              I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one. But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with. Perfect is the enemy of the good, so the saying goes. I would say it’s now the enemy of even just a little bit better as opposed to so much worse.

              With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe. I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons. But fuck me if I won’t vote to make what social security we do have just a little bit better.

              As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.

              I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have. They can go to work when they’re not out on the streets with the protestors.

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                I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.

                Every time I think I’m too cynical, democrats prove me wrong. They don’t get to come back from supporting a genocide.

                I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one.

                But?

                But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with.

                Oh yeah. Wouldn’t want to other those people who carry swastika flags and chant “Jews will not replace us” after all, they’re the only demographic that matters to the democratic party, and they’re willing to throw all of us under the bus for a 1% chance at getting a single nazi vote. You’re bus fodder just like me and don’t you forget it. The femtosecond republicans express the slightest displeasure at your existence, you’ll be under the bus with all the disposables you don’t consider worth defending because it might other some contemptible nazi.

                With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe.

                With every betrayal, democrats converge on expressing what they actually believe.

                I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons.

                There is no major party that does not fight against everything you claim to stand for here.

                As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.

                We’re dealing with nazis. You don’t win over nazis by appeasement. You don’t win them over with magnanimity. They do not want to parlay. They want you dead.

                I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have.

                Then maybe they should stop giving up whatever power they have every time they have the opportunity to do so.

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                  How would you deal with these Nazis and other fellow Americans who you disagree with? Let’s say you’re the new president and your party controls both houses of government.

                  Trump is allowing people to be disappeared to El Salvador. Would you do the same to these people you call Nazis? What about the 45 million or so people who voted for this shit?

                  I agree the political situation sucks. But solutions aren’t easy, and eventually, at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.

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          Someone has to be ambassador to China.

          It’s probably going to be someone most on the left so not want.

          So you choose the one that you can stomach while you have a vote.

          Just to note, but even Republicans stonewalled every confirmation.

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        No, they’re not. What happened to Obama’s scotus pick proves you can gum up this process and prevent appointments. And you can do it without losing voters.

        Democrats are choosing to aide the trump admin.

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          The senate rules changed, if I remember correctly in 2013 and 2017, so that presidential appointments and scotus judges could not be filibustered. A simple majority can change the rules for the next congress and the majority party is Republican and the next congress will either be a Democrat majority or it will be a full on dictatorship.

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          Nobody is voting for another year and a half. And hardly anyone for another three and a half years. Democrats need to pick the battles that matter.

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      Democracy needs capitalism.

      Capitalism does not need Democracy.

      Edit: some context because this triggered a few people: it’s a quote from Robert Reich.

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        Could you walk me through why you think democracy necessitates capitalism?

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          Capitalism on its own is very anti-democratic. Given enough time, most industries would become a monopoly.

          A strong Democracy should have sufficient guard rails for the population to counteract the influence of capitalism: strong unions, solid worker protections, limitation of money in politics, higher tax rates on wealth, and so on. The Nordic countries are a good example of this.

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            Ok, I think we’re miscommunicating. Either my question was’t formulated very clearly, or I misunderstood what you said in the first place. I took what you said (“democracy needs capitalism”) to mean “if you want democracy, you need capitalism”, or alternatively “if you don’t have capitalism, you cannot have democracy”. My question is why you believe this (if you do, that is; I may have misunderstood).

            Your answer I completely agree with, but it just argues that capitalism is harmful to democracy and that at best democracy is like a guard rail for capitalism. If anything it shows that capitalism and democracy are kind of incompatible.

            And it’s a side track, but the Nordic countries are not a good example of democracy counteracting the excesses of capitalism. They’ve just outsourced the worst of the misery to the global South. And domestically the situation for workers gets worse year by year (although they’re a long way from dropping to American levels).

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        It does if you want people to afford to buy your stuff. Or to have your stuff on the shelves. Happy tariff day. I heard another boat returned to China with no toys dropped off.

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    Hmmm, it’s like they’re all rich and know that in the end it’ll be fine for them under a fascist regime?

    I’m not an American, but I have to give the Trump supporters they are right about one thing: the Democrats do not seem interested in fixing their problems. Trump’s just honest about it 🤷

    It’s utterly baffling.

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      The Democrats fix the economic damage after every Republican administration. Reagan, W. Bush, Trump… going all the way back to Nixon and before.

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    I keep hearing project 2025 was a decades plan and the Dems had nothing planned to counter it. Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.