I guess some people thought it was AI, but just a cool moment in my basement window well.
Edit: taken with my iPhone several years ago since that’s all I had with me when it happened so quickly.
Looks like AI to me. Why are there pinecone reflections on what appears to be a concrete wall in the back?
I’d love to see another photo of this basement window well.
You sound like AI to me
When you don’t understand how anything works, everything seems like
a conspiracyAIIt’s not, the needles or whatever are way to consistent, even in the darker areas. AI would have fucked all that up
Also, it’s a basement well window, I have one of these as well. So OP would be standing on the side of the window in his house and the pinecone is on the other side in the fire escape well
Think of it like looking into a really big terrarium
that’s exactly why it’s not AI. AI wouldn’t replicate the glass half-reflection that well. and the background is clearly the outside forest, nobody’s having pinecones detritus and plants in their own basement except that greenthumbsman from _goosebumps _
You answered your own question. It’s a window well. It’s glass.
It’s several panes of glass. Glass is reflective.
Just for fun I tried reproducing this with chatgpt and it consistently messes up aligning the light beam with its illuminated patch no matter what I try. They always fail on the weirdest details
“Please provide proof of authenticity before I allow myself to enjoy this picture.”
I don’t get the ideological hate for gen-AI - especially when it comes to visual art. All I care about is whether I enjoy looking at it or not. I couldn’t care less who or what made it.
There is something special about photography. Photographs capture something real, a physical point in time. What you see really existed.
The problem with AI slop is that it gets better by the day and if you want to appreciate that single physical point in time that a photo represents, knowing that makes it special in ways that AI is not.
Likewise, created art is a window into someone’s mind and soul. Knowing this also makes those works special in ways that AI is not.
That said, the way certain communities crusade against AI is hurting actual, human artists. Especially those whose work skews toward the surreal. That is not ethical behavior and needs to be curbed.
There are communities for AI generated images. The presumption for photography communities is that submissions are taken pictures.
Except they’re not presuming that, at all. Hence the pushback. Sit down.
According to OP this is not AI generated.
And I believed them. I was responding to the comment about not understanding the hate for AI generated images.
I remember trying to warn people on Reddit that their anti-AI crusades were going to hurt real people making real art, especially surrealists, and got banned from a bunch of art subs for being “pro-AI” as a result. Actually, they phrased it in far more hurtful and inflammatory ways, like “advocating theft.” Apparently caring about not hurting real human beings making real human art is “advocating theft.”
I don’t miss Reddit. That place was bad for my mental health.
P.S. This photo is beautiful and I’m happy you had a mind to capture it and share it. Thank you.
Nah fuck AI, this shit wouldn’t be happening if people routinely respected the rule so we could establish trust and benefit of doubt.
I get these kind of reactions on Lemmy all the time. I say something that isn’t the exact party line, people assume I’m their worst enemy even though our disagreement is very minor in the broad scheme.
There’s always an US vs THEM element to any culture, but to me it seems like there’s been a relatively recent social trend (as in like the last decade) that anybody who isn’t jumping up and down waving pompoms for the one right side of an issue is presumed to be an extremist for the polar opposite wrong side, and all their other views about the world and their overall way of life are probably also despicable. It’s very simple binary thinking and works well with memes - minimal information to take in, quick and easy to process, one obvious right answer. It also fits gaming mindset very well - is this NPC on my side or should I kill him?
This really fits my two hot takes about how we need to fix the left:
- (1) end purity tests: an imperfect ally is still an ally.
- (2) we need to appeal to centrists more; ± straight cis white men feel alienated when we talk about privilege as though it’s a bad thing. We could talk about privilege as though it’s a great thing that you should be proud of instead. Then we’d have privileged allies, which would be really helpful.
I think item 1 would be enough to vastly improve the left’s appeal to centrists, many of whom are just liberals other liberals call centrist for not being liberal enough. Perfection is the enemy of progress.
It’s the same thing for writing. Use a single emdash and you get accused of using LLMs. It’s like, no, I’m literate. I read books. Sorry for paying attention in class…
I don’t miss Reddit. That place was bad for my mental health.
Same i remember it was Toxic
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If the people who object to slop figuratively crucify real human artists for creating real human art, then they are the baddies.
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Thank you! And yes, I mean I realize it’s a two sided battle. I legitimately hate gen AI and what it was done to the art world. My current career is in the process of being completely devoured by AI and taking photos is something that brings me a lot of joy and connects me to the real world, so it’s infuriating to have both the loss of my career and denigration of my photography due to AI.
Real talk! I got banned for “advocating violence”. Anyone who knows me would find that fucking laughable at best, and completely dishonest at worst. Been a few months now and I can sense an improvement in myself. I get more shit done and hate people a lot less.
People gonna pitchfork. I figure there are enough communities to peruse, getting banned by an overactively axe-grinding mod now and then isn’t a biggie. LPT: it’s not a reddit thing, those same mods are here too.
Well, also AI is hurting actual human beings. We should be fighting against it too. Yeah, be careful of crossfire, but it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fire at all.
It’s the same shit on lemmy
I was watching a video yesterday where the video author said it was sketchy that another ytber had used an AI voice but still credited the original voice actor the Ai voice was based on, the voice actor also chimed in that they agreed and were still being paid even though the AI voice was being used.
Literally every time I see arguments against AI from creative it’s because losing income/stealing, he hit both those and yet that is still not good enough.
The goal posts will ever shift and the rage will never end.
I got banned from a fandom subreddit for pointing out that a certain fan remaster was (partially, with tons of manual work) made with ML models. Specifically with oldschool GANs, and some smaller, older models as part of a deinterlacing pipeline, from before ‘generative AI’ was even a term.
The atla upscale?
Yep.
It’s not the best upscale TBH.
Hence I brought up redoing it with some of the same techniques (oldschool vapoursynth processing + manual pixel peeping) mixed with more modern deinterlacing and better models than Waifu2X. Maybe even a finetune? Ban.
In my own anecdotal experience, it’s been a lot better here, but I’m sure instance, communities, etc all have an impact. I have noticed a slight uptick in toxicity recently, but once I started using Voyager’s tagging feature I realized the perpetrators are almost always the same 4 people.
There is no way this lighting is real. Given the follow up pic of the same environment I take it back its correct.
You can see particles on the concrete wall in the background. You can see how the physical objects in the image interact with one another. AI is good at replicating compositions, but you spot it by the details. At least, for now. This image is definitely real.
Nice, thanks for sharing! Maybe it’s even something for c/accidentalrenaissance?
The Holy Pine Cone of Allentown.
Considering OP’s username, one might dub the holy relic The Primogen, I believe.
Ah, nice catch.
He is the chosen cone!
I for one, welcome our new pinecone overlord.
in fact i pine over its shining beauty
To be fair, I totally understand why people think it’s AI. Between the phone camera processes and the extreme postprocessing, this looks more deep fried than some memes I’ve seen. It almost looks like it’s got a cartoon filter applied.
Add on the fact that OP is trying hard to down play how much editing has been done, it starts to feel like it doesn’t add up. If OP posted the unedited photo to show the bad phone sharpening and admitted how much editing was done on top of that, people would understand what they are looking at.
Don’t get me wrong, it looks cool, but when someone says “oh, no I just took this with my phone”, I look at that and think that’s not the whole truth.
Yeah exactly, it’s a cool shot, but to me it looks like a scan of an oil on canvas painting.
Thanks for your meaningful, informed, and helpful contribution.
Of course it’s edited. Pro tip: every image is edited. Nothing anyone sees is raw from the sensor. It’s all completely arbitrary. Even people who shoot film show edited photos, they just offload the editing to the film lab. Someone else is doing the processing for them.
Even direct from a digital camera to jpeg, the camera is performing countless transformations and adjustment s before burning to jpeg. See film emulations on Fuji cameras for example.
The entire point of photography is to present to people a compelling vision that feels the way you did when you saw it.
That being said, this is basic curve and a vignette.
Bro got caught and is trying to say everything is edited.
I mean, it’s basic settings in like every fucking phone for the last 15 years? Get over yourselves - you aren’t judges at National Geographic photographer of the year, it’s a neat pic dude wanted to share.
Let people share neat things.
Right? It’s a standard color pass. People acting like it has to be RAW/LOG to be real.
raw should be the default phones take
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I mean even your sentence is edited. Nobody forms a true thought without altering it in their mind. Talking is the art of representing the thoughts and atoms in your brain in the way we want you to see it. Literally everything is a lie. So lying is always morally acceptable. /s
The interesting part about doing a vignette is that it shows up in ELA when you run it through any one of the dozen doctored image detector websites, the re-encode around the changes shows up in the data when it inspects them, this image has zero error level deviation.
That’s interesting because it also doesn’t appear as AI at all through the AI detection tests. But here you’re saying it’s actually edited. Maybe the CDN was heavy-handed enough to destroy the ELA. Zip up your edited copy and give that to the masses. The nay-sayers can run it through Fotoforensics and see it’s manually edited. You have already passed all the AI detection pages with 0% AI probability.
So you don’t have the original anymore?
post the original, then.
Post original
+1 OP, I wanna see it without
Post original or its AI
conus pineae divinae
I have a mental image of you in a basement sweatshop in Philadelphia- the air is full of smoke and there’s a constant barrage of German speeches and gunfire being played over the loudspeaker, broken only by the occasional steam whistle. You take a longing glance out the window, wishing you were on one of the higher floors so you could jump. And there is it.
Pinecone.
Incredible that an ai image happened outside your window. What a beauteous happening met upon you.
I think I got banned from /r/pics for some random comment too. We can be twinsees.
Right? I don’t get it. They gave no reason except pointing to a rule that stated no posting someone else’s work as your own. Which obviously was not the case here. But they did not respond to a request to look into it.
r/pics is a massive joke anyways. Screw that sub!
serves you right for posting something so lewd.
stupid sexy pinecones…
Well, stop feeding reddit’s AI machine.
Said the peen that just can’t help itself.
Looking for a giant peach.
peech*
https://sightengine.com/detect-ai-generated-images
It passed this test.
Lol when I first saw iPhone my brain read it as the default signature iPhones put in emails.
Sent from my iPhone.
