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Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, or Germany, in no particular order. Then again, of those 4, I’ve only been to Canada.
If I wasn’t locked into this contract with my house I would be applying for work programs in New Zealand on my way to citizenship. When Trump was elected, the first thought that went through my head was, I don’t like winter, so Canada and the Nordics are out. Europe is 0-2 for getting destroyed in World Wars and WW3 is heating up. Africa has its own problems right now, as does South America, and regardless of where you go in Asia it’s not looking good for WW3. So options were Central America or Oceania. I know passable amounts of Spanish, and lived in Central America for a while and I would definitely be OK going back. But if I’m going to move somewhere might as well be somewhere new.
Canada. I live on the border, been there more times than I can count, and it would be the easiest to move to.
What part?
Honestly the Netherlands seems pretty great.
How’s the food?
Dutch food is pretty bland, but plenty of Indonesian, Moroccan and Turkish immigrants to add some desperately needed variety.
A great thing about my area of the U.S is it’s very diverse in the food scene and idk how to find something like this elsewhere in other countries.
Even though things aren’t going as they should, I wouldn’t be likely to leave. I don’t agree with a lot of what’s happening here, but there’s no nation I know that supports more of my beliefs and lifestyle than the USA. Plus, my family, my friends, and my loved ones are all here. Leaving would mean losing them, and that’s totally unacceptable.
Can you expand on your beliefs and lifestyle?
Not easily at the moment. I’ll probably come back and give you some answers if I remember.
Anywhere cold, with decent social services, good shipping, and people that leave me alone on the whole.
Ah, welcome to the Nordics!
Hard as fuck to get in, or so I’ve heard.
The shipping might be slower than you’re used to, but we check of on the rest.See you soon?
I wish I could see you all soon. I’ve looked at it a lot over the years, not just when shit got bad here. And would honestly I would love to live there. Looked hard into Norway for awhile and talked to Norwegians in their subreddit, but the hardest part would be getting a job as a foreigner as it sounds like jobs are very heavily weighted towards “who you know”. Since I’m not the most socially invested person and a foreigner, the Norwegians I talked with made it sound like it’d be problematic.
Yeah it’s tricky, but not impossible. We are small, but not small enough for most jobs to be handed out based on nepotism.
I’d say the main hurdle is language. If you don’t speak Norwegian, or another Scandinavian language, the selection of jobs shrinks considerably.
If you actually wish to move, I’d recommend looking for jobs on Finn.no and apply when something relevant pops up.
Being non-socially invested doesn’t disqualify you.Let me know if you’re serious and want some help.
I have some other constraints at the moment that mean I’m probably a year out or more, but that’s perhaps not a bad timeline to work with.
I am definitely limited by my lack of language skills. I have some german but that won’t be much help further north.
I’ll start looking on finn.no, do you know of any other sites I should use? Know any good language programs outside of the standard suggestions like duolingo?
Finn is the dominant one by a longshot.
A few positions could be posted on nav.no (government social security firm), but it’s not really worth checking.For language, if you’re serious, I’d probably find a Discord channel for people wanting to learn. It’s literally how I met the missus.
We all learn differently, but finding someone with a shared hobby that you can talk to while doing said hobby is effective. We had gaming in common.
Talking is, at least for me, a million times better than reading and studying.Best of luck to you, and let me know if you have any questions.
And: it’s not utopia here. We have issues as well. Just make sure you remove any rose tinted glasses before comitting countless hours.
I’m aware that nowhere is utopia. 😊 But it’s not a minority-captured christofascist looney bin run by a geriatric dementia patient hell bent on destroying every opportunity for me and my family, like the usa so I can deal with other potential downsides. Lol
Thanks for the discord suggestion and advice, I appreciate it.
I’m German and as far as I’m concerned the people who want to flee the current US administration are exactly the type of people you want to welcome with open arms.
As a trans woman I might need somewhere to go and I desperately hope that when that day comes someone like you is in charge if deciding if I get to stay.
the ones that cant stop sucking off trump, arent even leaving usa anyways(trump supporters/liberterians), they are too inside thier bubble. scientists and mds and engineers have much more options than people with non-graduate degrees unfortunately.
Are you specifically talking about north americans of european descent? As if Germany isn’t dipping right into their pre WW2 culture with Merz as chancellor and AfD getting more votes each year 🤡
Deutschland den Deutsche, Ausländer Raus
Ireland. I’m a firm believer that if you move to a region that speaks a different language, you need to make a genuine effort to learn that language. After having 3 years of foreign language (including a year of Gaelic when I lived in Ireland as a child for a year), I know it’s not my thing, so an English speaking country is a requirement for me. Ireland is gorgeous, and still in the EU. Scotland would also be top of the list if they split from the UK and joined the EU.
We’re thinking Scotland. There’s some real nice homes for reasonable prices. My wife’s already a UK citizen so that helps.
Not much, though - I’m English, and we worked out it would cost £20k for the various visas. On top of that, you need to pay an NHS premium, even though you would already be paying for it through the usual national insurance deduction from your salary. It will also take 10 years before they are a citizen.
We decided to stay here (Germany). Less costs and, sadly, better health care.
I’m an antinationalist with regards to usa. No
Here in Canada we’re trying to catch America’s brain drain. We especially need doctors quite desperately.
doctors
How’s the demand for nurses? I’ll be finishing up nursing school in less than a year! :D
Or support staff? I’m a surgical tech now, and some of my coworkers (other techs, schedulers - bottom of the medical food chain, but still with specialty experience) feel trapped here by their lack of higher education.
Check out bchealthcareers.ca for an example of what is being done to encourage medical professionals to make the move to Canada. This site is B.C. specific but it includes doctors, nurses, and allied health professions.
Nurses and caretaker staff “Pflege” are needed here in Germany too, but not sure how viable the pay is.
Afaik pay isn’t that bad, it’s working conditions that suck.
Depends. I know some nirses that work as “OP Schwestern” and they make good money.
But you can not compare a german Krankenpflegerin/Krankenpfleger with an US Nurse.
I don’t want to start over. I’d rather die.
you’re lucky you’re not in love with an immigrant then
I’m latina and my husband is Latino. From what it looks like we’re all being arrested and questioned based on appearances alone. We’re all not lucky.
Canada if possible. My family only speaks English, but willing to “do the thing” to fit in even if that’s learning a new language.
I’d also be ok with UK, Australia, New Zealand.
last places would be Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, Japan. I know living in these places would be an extreme challenge for my family so that’s why they’re bottom of my list.
Hey. If yanks get get to Canada, and get in, I’m sure we’d love to have ya.
There’s a catch: if you’re not fleeing persecution, you’re gonna need a skill. It bumps up your score on the big calculation they do, and if you can keep doing the skilled work you may one day afford to live somewhere other than winnipeg.
I’m thinking either Finland or Norway. But the only way I could ever emigrate to either of those countries would be as an asylum seeker. I don’t make enough money, nor do I have any skills they want. I’ve got plenty of skills…just not any that are in ‘high demand’.
You could marry, at least for Norway.
Few mail order brides available though, so you’d have to make an effort finding someone who likes you back
Right now phds are usually the only one sought after for immigration, got a BS or MS in a stem, good luck with that. I have one of these, and many people can’t get a PhD for multiple reasons.
Dream country? Monaco, lol. But more realistically either Canada, Australia or New Zealand
