No fucking shit, everyone knows this, even the democrats know this, most of them are just bought and paid for
I remember having mad respect for Biden for announcing his intention before 2020 of being a one term president.
It sickens me how much the Democrats dropped the ball.
Biden doesn’t get enough hate. If he had allowed real primaries, the Democratic candidate would have won easily. Trump won again because right wing Democrats fight harder against progressive Democrats than they do against Republicans.
My best “famous people” story is that I once had a private dinner with Joe Biden and his entire family, Jill and Beau and Hunter and their kids when they were small.
Now, instead of a great story, I had dinner with one of the worst presidents of our time.
Dammit Joe. You fucked up our country, and my story.
one of the worst presidents of our time
Given the competition, he’s actually one of the best of our time.
That’s not a good thing.
No. He’s the modern Buchanan, but worse since the civil war we’re careening towards wouldn’t have happened if he’d not decided to run again.
True story
That’s assuming the Democrats would even allow fair primaries. That shit has been rigged since forever.
Exactly.
Quite an editorial about-face for Jacobin isn’t it.
…no?
They aren’t moderate they are where the far right was in 2000
Tell that to older gay people
I grew up in a gay family so I know all about this subject. I can argue that the democrats continuously moved farther right while using a few social justice issues as a smokescreen.
This is true, but that does not mean that they haven’t made life materially better for LGBTQ+ people, even if it was a cynical calculation for many of them.
It’s starting to look like those rights and the rights of women are just going to be taken away and then surprise the parties combine into one faction of facism
Why would that not have happened by now if it was the plan? What are they waiting for, some guy to proclaim himself Jesus and endorse children in private prison cages?
Look at the money both parties are receiving from aipac. 95 democrats voted to give Charlie Kirk a holiday. Two wings of the same bird.
Meaning more than half voted against it while every single Republican got in line. I see a clear solution, here, remove every Republican and Charlie Kirk doesn’t get a day.
But to be honest, making a statement against political violence is not a problematic stance. I care about taxing the rich, healthcare, reversing Citizens United, etc.
That’s why it isn’t working.
We don’t want moderates. Moderates aren’t the ones that will get Civil Rights, campaign reform, rein in monopolies, get rid of Citizens United, health care for all, etc. Moderates just half-ass “solutions” that keep stuffing more money in the already wealthy’s pockets while ineffectively trying to get bakeries to make wedding cakes for gay couples. We need actual liberals and progressives, not Republican-lite.
Fuck, so many signs, so many failures for so many years…
Say what you want for Republicans but they plan and play long term and they play it well. So many small losses, but every hundred losses, another quiet, hidden step forward to eroding democracy… Fox news, the Republican state TV channel, winning a lawsuit enabling them to call themselves a news organization while lying, hell, since Reagan…
The US has been sliding in this direction for 4-5 decades now, look where you’ve gotten yourself, it’s embarrassing…
I think this is simplifying and twisting narratives. Republicans didn’t plan for Trump, but the evangelicals and extremists rolled with it (just like progressives and antifa would’ve rolled with someone like Bernie). Besides an authoritarian take over of elections, the republicans don’t seem to be putting anyone electable up on a podium lately.
I doubt any of us are privy to what the Democrats plan and play long term, if anything they’ve been more effective at controlling their party if we’re looking at them through the lens of being moderates. If you think they’re “failing”… it’s in the eyes of a citizen and not what their donor’s interests are which is the priority of the party.
I am interested to learn about how the rest of the world is handling the “news” issue though, I see a lot of media coming from other countries (like UK and Australia) which follow the same format of fox so figured we were all fucked when it comes to actually vetting what can be labeled as a news source.
Democrats Are Already “Moderate.”
I’d say quite a few of them are conservative bordering on reactionary. You just can’t see it for all the MSNBC talking heads that insist Henry Cuellar is the far left of the political spectrum and anyone beyond that is a Tankie posting from a North Korean IP address.
The vast majority of Democrats are center-right. That’s not moderate.
The “leadership” of the Democrat party sits to the right of several disparate further left factions. Because they don’t embrace any specific leftward direction, they are juggling half baked compromises instead of leading anywhere. Bold policies that would be approved of by one further left group are opposed by others, so they can’t go left without losing support somewhere. Staying where they are makes them moderately disagreeable for every one of the factions that can support and vote for them, so they are unpopular across the board. They are all but trapped not far enough to the right to contend for Republican votes, and not far enough left to propose anything truly different.
I see the candidacy of further left individuals (mostly at the local level for now, but this will move fast if the “leadership” collapses further) as the first serious mechanism to break this stalemate. Popular figures from city or state government aim for national positions frequently, so expect anyone standing out with how well they run things at the local level to make that pivot.
A similar thing is at play on the right. Christian fundamentalists, war hawk neoconservatives, the alt right, the would-be fascists, select business interests, nationalists, libertarians, and others are constantly battling over policy. At this moment about 70% of them are trying to ride Trump’s popularity and apparent effectiveness at making changes to get whatever is most important to them done before it’s too late. If the Republicans gain seats in 2026, that surface level unity will become even more significant, but once Trump is out of the picture, infighting is all but certain to resume on the right, and we’ll see weaker, “keep everyone happy” politicians take center stage again.
If both those processes play out with the right timing, we may get a true leftist running against a Jeb tier Republican in 2028 or 2032.
Tell that to the NYT.
“Clever people say that once you become exactly like your opponent you will win elections!”
And even that wouldn’t work because this opponent would likely just move further right. Not sure there’s anywhere to go anymore, but they’d try.
The Nazis only got as far right as they could because they were stopped. It’s musical chairs for outgroups, everyone gets a turn being vermin eventually.
Status quo has got to go.
Hey hey ho ho
Democrats now are where Republicans were in the 80s
Removed by mod
This is correct. They’ve “moderated” their views so many times over the years that they are only distinguishable from Reagan Republicans because of their stance on abortion.
And people are even calling for Dems to be more “pro-life” in order to further appeal to “moderates.” It’s absurd.
I don’t view Democrat leadership as moderate at all. “Centrist”, just means Republican policies that boil the frog.
Let’s be honest. The majority of the U.S. is not progressive. If you pit a far left candidate against are far right on the national stage then right will win every time.
Vote as far as you can in your local and state elections because your vote has a much larger impact in those races. When it comes to the Federal races, please just vote for who has a solid chance even if it’s a moderate because let’s be honest… Anything is better than what we have now.
I actually think this is the opposite of the situation. You’re probably right that the majority of the US would not identify as progressive, but I’m confident the majority of the US would vote for progressive candidates if we had elections that weren’t predetermined by gerrymandering. If our elections were also free from corporate interests, the US would be a fully progressive democratic socialist country, and I’m sure most people would be happy with what that means for them and their families.
The US is obsessed with labels. If a candidate runs on practical progressive policies without calling them progressive, they can often do really well. It’s not a fluke that right wingers have been showing up in support of Bernie and AOC.
Ive never had the option to vote for a moderate from a major party.
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I know. As a proud bidenist-leninist I must support the savior of all free peoples, the greatest hero the working class has ever had or will ever have.
Yeah that guy in government for 50 years that helped sail this ship into today was “moderate” hard s
When haven’t the dems run moderates? Hell most brag at how moderate they are and how much they’ll compromise with the republican extremists, yet won’t with progressives
Weeeird.
Post-election polls say Bernie would’ve won if he was the candidate against Trump in 2016. America would definitely vote for a progressive. I mean, hell, Obama ran as a progressive and destroyed the Republican candidate.
If the DNC wants to win, they know how. They’ve won before by talking about social polices, rebuilding American infrastructure, talking about removing debt from the citizens, improving healthcare, abortion rights…
They copied the Republican playbook from 2016 for 2024, while saying The economy is doing good, don’t complain! like Trump is doing now with his Tariff bullshit. It’s actually your fault you can’t pay rent and eat food at the same time, pleb!
Remember when we were going to get monthly $1000 checks to help with COVID? Cancel student debt for all Americans? Codify Roe v. Wade? Arrest Trump?
But we’re the bad guys for having the memory of Democrat voters instead of Republican shitheads.
To be honest I don’t think they needed to do all that to beat Trump. They just needed to run another man. Hilary, Biden, and Harris went up against Trump and one of them won. What’s the difference?
Hillary won the popular vote. More people voted for her then Trump. She lost the electoral college vote, due to it being a system made by slavers to keep slave states happy.
TRUE, and not to be ignored either. This is the second time in my memory that dems got screwed by that.
People want to vote for somebody popular, call them what you will. Somebody that’s fighting for them.
Absolutely nobody likes the Democrats, the last presidential elections have shit shows with the most unpopular possible candidates running is the status quo, there are no challenges for house leadership, or Senate leadership, no criticism in the party.
Maybe you should question those people telling you that that is what is electable and not those popular things like not getting ass fucked by the rich without your consent.
Those moderates and their ratchet effect has contributed to our current conditions.
The majority of the US are brainwashed by corporate propaganda to vote against their own best interests and dont even know what “progressive” means.
There’s no such thing as meeting Nazis in the middle. That’s called “becoming a Nazi”.
US Democrats are very conservative under their thin coat of identity politics. They would be considered way to the right of most European conservative parties.
I don’t think this is actually true. Perhaps on some very specific issues but as a whole I’d say no. They are certainly to the right of left wing parties but many conservatives in Europe have also shifted right in recent years.
I’ve seen leftist Americans say that Bernie Sanders would be considered a right wing conservative in Europe. These people have no idea what the political landscape actually looks like in Europe. Some still believe Europe is a soc-dem Valhalla, because we have healthcare here. But many centrist parties have shifted right in Europe even in the Nordics. For example the center left Danish Social Democrats have implemented hardline asylum policies.
They’re just trolling. Bernie is at least left of center. He is also the most left of any national politicians here. Democratic party leadership are roughly around where the Tories are in the UK.
Correct. Most people who say this are focused on healthcare and other social safety net issues. When you look at LGBTQ+ rights, or racial discrimination, or even abortion, Democrats are further to the left of lots of European parties. It can be a slog to get a European to admit they even have racial issues at all.
Name a country in Europe where abortion, being gay are illegal or racial discrimination is so bad they have to overcorrect it with laws?
Russia
Ah ya got me. Now name a country in the European Union (which is what I meant)or that is only part of Europe and no other continent.
Technically Romania is pretty problematic but overall 22 of the 38 nations on earth which legalize same sex marriage are in the EU and the EU only has 27 nations total so thats pretty good tbh.
Admit it you just hate vampires.
So obviously I can’t speak for all European countries, but I find it hard to see in what way the Dems would not be at least center-right here
yeah but center right isn’t more right wing than European conservatives. Parties like AfD, PVV, RN, Vlaams Belang are more to the right of European conservatives. Those are straight up fascists. Dems would still be considered liberals in Europe and I mean the old classic liberalism not the weird definition Americans use who think liberalism is a left leaning ideology like progressivism. And liberals are mostly center right to right wing in Europe.
I disagree look at actual laws and policies, the rural and less educated areas might be loud but they don’t hold any power. Stares at Roe v Wade in the US.
Democrats generally support roe v wade so this is a poor example.
The difference is in the US the rural and uneducated people do hold the power.
Yeah they “supported” it so much it was overturned great clown logic.
That also was my point about the dumb dumbs having actual power in the US, so swing and two misses.
I never said they were competent. But I don’t think there’s much question that they genuinely support abortion rights. If you believe otherwise, the ruling of a court with a supermajority controlled by the opposing party is very poor evidence. The Democratic appointees all voted to preserve it.
It’s worse than that, in my opinion. The Dems feign incompetence to keep the game of distraction going. It’s like WWE to keep us all blaming our neighbors while they take away more of our rights a little at a time. They let Rowe v. Wade get overturned on purpose so they have something to harp about in the future.
Obama suspended habeus corpus which goes back to the frigging Magna Carta: all they need to do is call you a terrorist or a traitor and they can just disappear your ass. Rhetorical side note: how can Julian Assange have committed treason if he wasn’t an American to begin with?
Maybe in a few specific issues this happens but I think it’s more that dems face a lot of pressure from powerful people and they tend to buckle.
I don’t see any evidence of that with roe vs wade. They just didn’t think it would be overturned.
Are you talking about Guantanamo Bay with the Habeus Corpus stuff?
They’re even shedding that after loosing in 2024. Slowly was doing it during the election but then once lost immediately threw trans people and minorities under the bus for the dems incompetence
The whole moderate thing was an attempt to appeal to Republican voters. They live in a personality cult echo chamber now, it would serve no purpose except catering to ghost. The fact that they are still thinking within a system that has been fundamentally corrupted is why they are doomed to failure.
