Get a mister.
It IS the original hardware; its an FPGA
By its very nature, an FPGA is not original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware, but it does not actually use original hardware components, and because of this it can actually have bugs or inaccuracies that were never present in original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware,
Well to be even more precise, its designed to be able to replicate most hardware of anything. Not designed for a specific device
Now this is the real solid advice
It’s also about as cheap to just buy the original consoles than a kitted out mister.
Although if you figure in AV switches, upscalers and everdrive carts, the price for convenience does swing back into the misters favor
The Neo-Geo would like a word
Mister people are equally obnoxious about this
What’s the benefit of it versus emulation?
It is FPGA based, due to this it can be configured on hardware level to exactly replicate the original hardware of the retro system. This and that it runs directly and not through some emulation layer and modern OS and stuff means that it gets as close as original as it can be, with zero lag and delay.
Do you perceive noticable lag when emulating on a modern PC?
Not only perceive, it is often multiple frames from multiple lag sources (input lag of the USB controller or even worse Bluetooth, display lag from the monitor, rendering lag from the emulator, framebuffer lag). Playing fast paced games with frame perfect movement (Megaman on the NES for example) is so much harder on a emulator with all the lag, even on very recent hardware.
It’s still emulation. Yes, it’s emulating hardware, as close as possible and often indistinguishably close, but it’s still emulation.
For example, my EDGB X7 runs fine on any real Game Boy I have, but can’t switch games on an Analogue Pocket.
Another weird issue that I had was that if I launched my Pokemon Crystal save on Pocket it would, for some reason, permanently change my character from a boy into a girl (without saving the game!). This wasn’t happening on my Game Boys (I restored the save a couple of times to test it).It is not emulation, it is hardware replication. And yes it is not always perfect. As with any replicated or cloned hardware it is just as good as the available information and the skill of the manufacturer.
Sure, however you choose to call it, it’s not “original hardware”.
True and I would never call it original hardware. But it is so much closer to original hardware then emulation ever could be.
I mean, you are buying analogue products, so what do you know anyway.
You’re clearly just trying to pick a fight, but care to point out what I said wrong?
Fariiiid doesn’t know shiiiiit.
It perfectly emulates the CPU, but it’s not the same as touching the actual hardware. For better or worse.
We can’t even say it perfectly emulates the CPU. It may pass all tests we know about, but even 1980s CPUs were complicated enough to have odd niche behavior.
It’s some great hardware, but I think a lot of people have been hoodwinked into thinking FPGA = perfect. Often some of the same people who turn their nose up at software emulation for equally bad reasons.
I barely touch my original hardware at all since I have my MiSTer it is just so good.
Not always, the mister would need more elements to do an actual 1:1 for many newer consoles and the cores are often reverse engineered best guesses and not replicating the original asic design.
On the other hand, original hardware goes through revisions and the silicon can change (snes 1chip vs 2chip for example) while still be perfectly compatible so it really depends ho much of a stickler you are.
It is not, nor can it
I can’t tell if your comment is dramatically flawed or logically
A raspberry pi is neither 30$ A raspberry pi cannot emulate every game ever
Also, remember just because you can be an asshole, doesnt mean you have to be.Do you have a mirror? Try looking into the next time you feel like being a toxic member of a community, say the things to yourself and then ask yourself, did i just come across as a toxic asshole?qIf yes dont continueSorry it came across like that wasn’t my intention, I may have been intoxicated. I meant to say grammatically, but don’t even understand what my comment means anymore. Thanks for explaining anyway
Appreciate the honesty
I never liked ROMs on my computer, but I have a modded SNES Mini that feels legit enough for me.
I feel this in my very soul.
Where is the raspberry pi at 30$??? it is more than that nowadays
They’re inflated right now, depending on where you buy them. I got one for MSRP (around 30 bucks) last year at my local electronics store, but I had to give them my info to deter scalping.
“Right now” for Pi inflation has been since like 2016. This is just their price now.
Well that sucks. I’ve heard the competitors are pretty good now though.
Yeah, there’s a lot of competition in SBC these days. People seem to like the OrangePi lineup and some others.
Or for anything where a miniPC would do the same job, there’s tons of miniPCs running 7th gen and older processors available for peanuts since Microsoft arbitrarily declared them to be incompatible with Windows 11, and Windows 10 goes EOL in just 13 months.
HP prodesks for example are down to $100ish on eBay
An official raspberry pi isn’t worth gettin imo. Especially after their artificial availability issues during the pandemic.
Plenty of alternatives out there, which is what I’d recommend. OrangePi is much more reasonable price wise.
And if you don’t need arm, a used thin client will do the same job, cost a lot less, and have more compatibility.
It’s got to the point were for the price of a Pi 5 plus necessary kit, youcan just get a Mini PC with an Intel N100 (maybe the only decent thing Intel has done in the last couple of years) which has a lot more power and expandability though it consumes 15W instead of 7W and would probably be a better choice for running emulators.
I’m hoping risc-v can join soon at reasonable speeds.
Exactly what I was wondering!!!
Yeah I’m a huge Raspberry Pi fan but not only is it practically impossible to find a pi at that price, pi’s also can’t reliably emulate games past the 32 bit era
Yeah I basically got this exact advice and was surprised to realize they cost much more than that anymore.
https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-3-model-b.html
Here ya go! You don’t need the last edition pi to use retro arch, enjoy.
I can see the appeal for that… Except for the NES.
I gave my last cartridge blowie a long time ago.
Both are awesome.
One for general use, not scuffing up my gear or games, travel, etc.
The other when I want to really have a beer and just retro out for an afternoon.
A controller that looks like an old SNES with a PS2 form factor is all the retro authenticity I need
Like this?
That’s the bitch
I like the balance of EmulationStation + Pi. And original hardware controllers modded to work via USB.
Best of both worlds
Honestly, I will emulate almost all consoles EXCEPT N64…. This little weird Frankenstein console barely holds by a thread so most emulators can’t recreate its flaws and quirks correctly (which, funnily enough, are needed to run games smoothly)
PS2 emulators on the other hand, are FREAKING awesome!!! :D Live upscaled Battlefront 2 is GREAT!!
What about an FPGA for running the original game cartridges? Such as the Analogue 3D when that eventually releases. Quirks and all included as it becomes the N64. It even supports Bluetooth controllers too and 4k or CRTs.
If it works well, I’m all for it! 😁
(In the past years I’ve seen too many hyped projects just crash on release, so I’ll be observing the progress but I won’t be praising something that’s not even out yet)
This is true, but Analogue has a great reputation already in this space from their other products so I am hopeful.
Still waiting for an N64 emulator that renders Bomberman 64 menu properly
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This one was me removing it because I posted something about modern games not working on emulators but it is in the retro games thread so I realized it was kind of a foolish place to state that “all” games don’t include most of the games people play these days.
Edit: was something like "The wording always annoys me because emulating any game from consoles excludes the PS5, Xbox X, and most AAA games created in the last 15 years unless you pay more than $30 to figure out a graphics card etc etc etc. {dumb thing to say in retro games
Fair enough, thanks for chiming in and correcting me! I’ll remove mine too, so it’s not overly antagonistic in an inappropriate place (though I do think what I said was accurate, just not the place to discuss it, haha)
I understand, there is a lot of animosity on Lemmy (not trying to compare to other platforms just recognizing it exists.). I think .world will keep getting hate but it likely will also keep growing due to other places having strong opinions that do not align with .worlds view. Doesn’t make them right or wrong, just that opinions are segregating themselves to find hives of echos. Shit, now I’m discussing what you said was not the place to discuss. Haha. Hope you have a great day.
I have a friend like this, I’m a Nintendo collector and enjoying the hardware is my hobby. I know it’s an expensive endeavor, and I don’t expect anyone else to do it. I genuinely think any game should be up for piracy and emulation support, and it’s incredible what can be done to make games look, sound, and play better than the original. But when I’m sitting there having fun with Metroid Fusion on my GBA SP and you sit there going “why would you ever do that when emulating is cheaper and better” I don’t think you’re conversing in good faith.
Side note, if anyone knows how I can play Splatoon on an emulator using my Wii U gamepad, I’m all ears lol
Do you have original hardware? I hacked my Wii u recently and it’s so easy. Pretendo just let’s you play like normal, no problems
Definitely, I think there was even a hacked splatfest at one point, which would be SO cool to do regularly. I just meant to say that, as far as I’ve seen, the gamepad can’t easily be used to play with if you were to emulate.
Are you trying to use your gamepad as a second screen while you emulate Wii U games on your PC? Unfortunately, I don’t think that has been done yet. I believe the Wii U uses Wifi to send video to the gamepad and no one has made PC software to handle that yet (to my knowledge).
I had heard of people using the Gamepad to mirror the game playing on their PC.
- https://www.slashgear.com/1343071/use-nintendos-wii-u-gamepad-computer/
- https://gbatemp.net/threads/use-the-wii-u-gamepad-on-pc.627503/
If you are trying to use your gamepad as a second monitor for Wii U games you would probably have better luck getting a Steamdeck (Youtube link may contain helpful comments).
I sold my Wii U already so I don’t think I can be of actual help to you.
Yeah, effectively I’d want to use it as you could on Wii U, both displaying the second screen and interacting with the touchscreen. Splatoon in particular is extremely underrated with second screen use, being able to see and interact with the map in real-time is so much more useful than blocking your screen in future Splatoon games
I’ve got an Anbernic 353p and I LOVE it for handheld, but trying to use it as a console has proven tricky. I just want a device that I can plug into my TV and play games on with a minimum of tinkering. I shouldn’t need to remap controllers every time I turn the thing on. I don’t care to follow along with a three+ hour long tutorial to get all the settingsjust right. Plug into TV. Turn on. Play game.
This is where original hardware, or even those SNES Mini or Playstation Classic devices have appeal, because they aren’t tinkering hobby devices, they’re game systems first, last, and only. Everything above and beyond that should be very optional.
Steam deck. Not as cheap as an ambernic or raspberry pi, but I’ve been blown away by how painless and plug and play everything is, and I’ve played games on it from every console generation up to ps3 so far, plus modern pc games. Steaminput makes controller settings a breeze even for games or applications that don’t have good input settings. I knew I’d like it before I got one last year, but since then I can’t say enough good things about it, it’s honestly everything I dreamed of as a kid playing video games, almost every game under the sun all in one handheld package, it’s honestly incredible.
Aren’t they kinda of hard to get a hold of still? During the pandemic they were going for 100$ and up
you can at least get them directly instead of paying scalpers now, but yeah it’s still $80 for an 8GB board.
I setup and love retropie, but I will say that I was surprised at how many emulation issues I had even on some PS1 games. mostly it was framerate or processing issues, tried same emulator on my laptop with no problem.
raspberry pi is very affordable but it was surprising to me that the hardware specs were a limiter given how much of an increase they were over the ps1
I was thinking about using mine for this. Maybe I’ll limit myself to 2d retro games then.
still works and is fun, I think if duck station would have been finished for pi it would have been better probably.
true that 2d had no problems for me though, on pi400
It’s usually the reverse in my experience. I love playing on original hardware when I have access, but some people get really anal when you emulate.
Agree. There’s just something special about doing it the original way. Booting up that old console just like in the past, no matter if I had it back then or not.
That being said, I don’t get the hate on emulation either. To each their own.
