My gut says that not taxing “tips” is only going to embolden companies looking to move line item payouts, and force more people to work for minimum wage.
You’ll see a massive wave of previously non-tip jobs turn into tipped jobs, which only benefits the employer.
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Trump and his team don’t think that far ahead.
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Yep. We’ve already seen a massive push of POS that prompt you for a % based tip… Testing 20% as minimum in some cases. As tip fatigue sets in, more and more places are going to find that fewer and fewer people are tipping.
Frankly speaking, no job should be tip based.
Why the apostrophe?
In “they’re?” It replaces the a in “they are”
No… in “TIP’S.”
I don’t see that, maybe it was a typo they edited out
Ah, well that’s where the tip lives. It’s the tip’s jar /s
I once had a coworker labeling prepped food containers, and we only realized at the end that this was not the assignment for him. We had chikun, leming slices, tumaters, and it was kind of a mess. His native language was English, but not everyone’s was, and his phonetic interpretations were difficult for the rest of us to understand. Not his fault, but neat handwriting doesn’t automatically make you the best one to write
Yeah. Raise the fucking federal minimum wage. Mandate that it keep pace with inflation.
Fuck tips. If you work, you should be getting a living wage, not hoping you score a $100 tip to scrape through the month. Tips are a wage subsidy for corporations.
Yup. This is slapping on a bandaid for a very select few. The real problem is wages and cost of living.
This is as little as possible, and it will be used in lieu of an actual minimum wage increase. Democrats will coast on it for as long as they can before they do as little as possible again in another 15 years.
B b but Dems bad! That didn’t take long from you.
If you want them to do more, then you have to vote and give them consistent victories in all 3 houses.
That is so naive.
It’s what he said.
If Democrats want me to say good shit about their complete lack of effort towards raising wages, they can raise wages. Until then, I’m going to gripe about it.
Government workers and blue states got theirs, so it’s no longer a problem as far as Democrats are concerned.
If you want them to be more progressive, then they need to win elections first. When they lose, they go to the center to find voters. They’ve had all 3 houses (presidency, house of reps and Senate) for 4 years of the last 24 years. 6 years of the last 32 years. 6 years of the last 44 fucking years. They are on an epic losing streak because the left never shows up to vote. And you wonder why they go to the center to find voters?
Just support them for a few more decades no matter how many times they betray you, and they’ll totally do what you want.
Inflation outpaces incrementalism. It’s why Democrats are so enamored with it.
Sinema’s thumbs down defines the party until they do better.
I still vote for the shitty anti-worker party over the shittier more anti-worker party, but since I gripe, you have to pretend I’m not voting so you can lecture me for not being as delighted as you are that the party won’t fix shit.
Few more decades? You’re talking as if they’ve had control. They have not. I already told you they’ve been on an epic losing streak because the left never shows up. They’ve had control of all 3 for 6 years of the last 44 years. 6 measly years, out of the last 44 fucking years. That means they have to reach across the aisle for 38 years of the last 44 fucking years. Can’t handle this huh? So you have to pretend … whatever that stuff above was.
And you wonder why progress is slow?
Who said I’m pretending you don’t vote? I’m using the term you in broad sense.
If you’re not able to pay your employees a living wage, your company does not have a viable business model and you need to either change it to a viable model or shut down the business.
If the hand we’re playing is such that we cannot feasibly raise the service minimum wage and abolish tipping, but we can exempt tips from taxation, I don’t see any reason not to take that action.
But it seems theatrical. How much revenue does US actually take in from this type of income? I bet it doesn’t even make an impact. May as well use it as a political tool with the side effect of helping some workers too.
Until we can figure out a better way to have society. I just don’t see the downside.
The article explains that one obvious downside is it’ll put downward pressure on base wages for these employees, with the justification that their take home pay will remain the same. And I expect that’s exactly what would happen.
Because the rich are obviously going to use this as a loophole to give money to each other tax free, now that NFTs and Bitcoin have kinda tanked. They need a new way to legally pay for illicit goods, and tips are pretty good for that. Do these tips even need to be reported if they aren’t taxed anyway? Just like gifts under $10k don’t need to be reported.
That’s an interesting angle for sure
I don’t see any reason not to take that Action.
The reason is that the government is now subsidizing poverty wages and encouraging those business models instead of letting them crash and burn for a lack of willing wage slaves like they should.
That’s another great point thanks
I’ll take a bad policy to win a swing state and make sure we don’t lose that Senate seat.
More exception rules means more loop holes. Now I can get my employer to pay me in tips instead of a regular salary.
That would be called a bonus. Tips are from customers for services rendered.
Define customer and define services rendered. I rendered 40 hours of services to my customer (aka my employer).
Many, many restaurants now have mandatory tips right on the bill. They’ve already destroyed the concept, and this will just make it worse.
People claim their tips? I just let the IRS assume that I was terrible at my job.
In a series of social media posts, Trump accused Harris of stealing his idea, saying that “she sounds more like Trump than Trump, copying almost everything.”
In a functioning democracy, this would be a good thing if you agree with your opponent on something. Instead, he has to complain that only he is allowed to use popular ideas, like the weird little baby he is.
The pandemic showed us we need to revamp our unemployment safety net and this includes doing away with tipping.
Devils advocate here. How do you incentivize doing a good job as a waitstaff without increasing costs without tips? If your pay is x and no tips, what else is there other than do a good job or else I’ll fire you?
The same way as every other job on earth that doesn’t tip.
A 10 cent raise? There are servers that make several hundred dollars a week due to tips and you want them to give that up for a yearly 10 cent raise? Good luck convincing anyone to give that up.
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How do you incentivize doing a good job
By paying them, same as any other job. Should every other job be 2.13 plus tips because your infernal client feels like obstreperous karens should decide if a person deserves food and shelter based on how thorough a job they do of kissing ass?
You are being disingenuous by suggesting all service is equal. There is a difference between exceptional customer service and mediocre. Don’t you think servers should be able to be rewarded for going above and beyond?
Obviously the business needs to pay a fair wage but tipping in the service industry allows exceptional service to be rewarded.
Don’t you think servers should be able to be rewarded for going above and beyond?
Sure. Here. have a Jack Chick Tract. 2.13 is obscene and you know it.
I never once said that it is ok to pay servers below minimum wage because they make it up in tips. Using that as your argument for why we shouldn’t tip is a straw man fallacy.
If a place is offering below minimum wage to work for tips, who’s fault is it for working there? I understand that people are many times not in a position to negotiate pay, especially when it’s an industry standard but at some point workers have to stand up for themselves. There is a huge movement here in the US with millennials and gen x refusing to work for poor pay. That is the only way to change the industry.
I never once said that it is ok to pay servers below minimum wage because they make it up in tips
2.13 is the minimum wage for tipped workers.
And now you’re blaming the exploited for their exploitation.
Why even have a minimum wage when the people with no power at all can just choose not to be exploited and starve?
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Funny they would say that, I’ve just restructured my remuneration package so that all of my pay now technically counts as tips.
Yay me!
Rich folks play these games all day long so I don’t see the problem. All you guys need now is a superPAC to lobby to ensure that the loophole isn’t closed.
I’ll save you a click because the author can’t seem to get to the point quickly enough:
“Tipped workers don’t need a tax cut. They need a raise.”
Plus like, we need to be simplifying the tax code, not complicating it.
While we’re at it, can we also require recommended tips be based on total food cost rather than post tax amount?
I would love to do away with tips on their entirety, but in the meantime, I’d also appreciate getting that ~2% back
I mean, just do it. There’s no law that says you personally need to tip on the total.
I generally don’t, but what’s the point of recommended amounts if I have to pull out a calculator to subtract tax and then split?
